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Why the Comey firing could be Trump’s Watergate moment (1 Viewer)

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From Vox: Why the Comey firing could be Trump’s Watergate moment

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Mounting evidence that multiple members of the Trump campaign were in direct contact with Russian intelligence in the runup to the election — and in several cases subsequently lied about it — has been at the center of a simmering scandal that Trump has been unable to shake. His sudden decision to oust Comey ensures that scandal will bedevil the rest of the Trump presidency — and, potentially, bring it to a premature close.
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Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was fired for lying about his contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, and has sought an immunity deal as evidence mounts that he accepted money from the Russian and Turkish governments without properly disclosing it. Senior White House aide — and Trump son-in-law — Jared Kushner held undisclosed meetings with Kislyak during the transition and only made them public months later.

Perhaps most alarmingly, Attorney General Jeff Sessions lied to the Senate, under oath, during his confirmation hearings. He told lawmakers he’d had no interactions with the Russian government; it turned out that he’d held conversations with Kislyak. Sessions promised to recuse himself from the FBI investigation into Trump. Sessions is also the man who just recommended that Trump fire the head of the FBI, a recommendation Trump accepted.
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Much ado about nothing? Methinks not ...
 
Firing Comey at this point in time is shady as ****. And nobody, not even his supporters, can honestly say they believe the reason given. But it isn't illegal. He may lose a percentage or two in approval ratings and a few members of congress may be less supportive, but that is probably it.
 
All this Winning is making my head spin. :lol:
 
Lafayette said:
From Vox: Why the Comey firing could be Trump’s Watergate moment

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Much ado about nothing? Methinks not ...
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Stuff that occurred after the election is unlikely to have affected the election, an obvious exception being evidence of a payoff. Many seem to think that Trump policy changes toward Russia are proof of such a payoff - a clever way, indeed, to say that deviation from Obama's Russian policy must be (is?) evidence of criminal conduct. The premise that if one "had contact" with a criminal means that they "must have been" participating in criminal activity is weak at best and simple harassment at worst. To prove collusion (criminal conspiracy?) one must have more proof than mere contact - it is obvious that many of these Russian "agents" were also having contact with folks in the Obama administration.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Please keep us updated regarding how your French neighbors feel about the Trump Phenomena. I genuinely hope Trump does not finish his term.
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Because a national crisis such as this would be good for the nation?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Firing Comey at this point in time is shady as ****. And nobody, not even his supporters, can honestly say they believe the reason given. But it isn't illegal. He may lose a percentage or two in approval ratings and a few members of congress may be less supportive, but that is probably it.
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But, not illegal.
 
apdst said:
But, not illegal.
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I said that very thing in that very quote.

I also said this in another thread:

"Legal, but with the appearance of impropriety."

That is going to be a reoccurring theme in Trump's presidency.
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nota bene said:
Because a national crisis such as this would be good for the nation?
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The World would celebrate Trump's ouster or resignation. Many of us recognize Trump's narcissistic confidence and obvious colossal incompetence as a serious endangerment to the common welfare of all things Earth.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
The World would celebrate Trump's ouster or resignation. Many of us recognize Trump's narcissistic confidence and obvious colossal incompetence as a serious endangerment to the common welfare of all things Earth.
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I asked about the good of this nation. And I don't think that political instability in the United States benefits anybody it should benefit.
 
nota bene said:
I asked about the good of this nation. And I don't think that political instability in the United States benefits anybody it should benefit.
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Pence would step in, and everyone except the Trump blow-hards would let out a sigh of relief, and then get back to debating politics, rather then debating "omg when will this clown show end...and how!"
 
Liberals during the election "Fire Comey for reopening Hillary's emails costing her the election!!11!!!"

Liberals after Trump fires Comey "Omg Russia, scandal, he shouldn't have fired him!"

Their "resistance" never ceases to make me laugh :lamo The liberal hypocrisy is so strong and many are so politically deranged they will just hate Trump for the sake of hating Trump.
 
Mach said:
Pence would step in, and everyone except the Trump blow-hards would let out a sigh of relief, and then get back to debating politics, rather then debating "omg when will this clown show end...and how!"
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Based on the opinions I've read of Pence here at DP, I don't believe this would end anything. Too many people are forming opinions based on the daily talking points of the MSM because they are so hopeful that something, anything, will stick. And I think that this is pointlessly destructive and therefore bad for the nation. I was not a Trump supporter, but he is now the President, and I want every President to succeed. I said this in 2008 and also, right here at DP, in 2012.
 
digsbe said:
Liberals during the election "Fire Comey for reopening Hillary's emails costing her the election!!11!!!"

Liberals after Trump fires Comey "Omg Russia, scandal, he shouldn't have fired him!"

Their "resistance" never ceases to make me laugh :lamo The liberal hypocrisy is so strong and many are so politically deranged they will just hate Trump for the sake of hating Trump.
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That's the thing--it's so irrational.
 
The OP of "Mounting evidence that multiple members of the Trump campaign were in direct contact with Russian intelligence in the runup to the election — and in several cases subsequently lied about it — has been at the center of a simmering scandal that Trump has been unable to shake" is exactly why Comey was fired.

Trump is angered he cannot shake the Russian scandal.

Firing Comey highlights that fact.

What Trump fails to understand is that is he cannot control the narrative.
 
nota bene said:
I asked about the good of this nation. And I don't think that political instability in the United States benefits anybody it should benefit.
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The moment it became clear Trump won the General Election, millions of Americans, including me, knew with certainty the United States had begun a new era of extreme political instability. I hope for your sake, and for those you love, that you catch on to what many of us already know. Feel some Love!
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Firing Comey at this point in time is shady as ****. And nobody, not even his supporters, can honestly say they believe the reason given. But it isn't illegal. He may lose a percentage or two in approval ratings and a few members of congress may be less supportive, but that is probably it.
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Well, yes and no.

He is growing a larger and more entrenched opposition base, and in this country and with our form of democratic representative constitutional republic, political will trumps (I hate that word) all.

If the GOP base start turning in even a few congressional districts, Trump's time may come.

The Dems will likely act as a Senatorial bloc, demanding an indie counsel before they approve Trump's new FBI pick. They need 3 sympathetic GOP, 2 if Pence stays neutral (possible).

What needs to happen, is the GOP rank & file voters in the more moderate districts need to start getting unraveled a bit over Trump. We already saw they can break away on healthcare. We need them to break away on Trump himself.

The Senate is the key. It is the safeguard of the Republic. That was it's design. That's where Nixon's Presidency met its demise.
 
digsbe said:
The liberal hypocrisy is so strong and many are so politically deranged they will just hate Trump for the sake of hating Trump.
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Oh geez you're right. We just hate Trump, as independents and moderates and liberals and non-idiots, because you know, it's just FUN. You really nailed it, I bet that's breaking news on Fox, those guys deserve an award or something, after they get rid of the sexual harassers of course.

If you had actually been engaged or aware of the discussion, the outrage is about:

1. why not when he took office if he was so bad?
2. why did Trump praise him all that time specifically FOR those actions, then come out and claim that's why he was fired?
3. why did Trump fire the lead of the FBI as they are investigating him?
4. why did the WH say it was all the recommendation of deputy AG that prompted it, for actions back during the Hillary email fiasco (That trump supported!)
but then his spokesperson said it was because the FBI rank and file and lost faith in Comey (what!?)
- but then a staggering 30 sources all confirmed it DID occur, making the WH looks like I don't know, liars
but then it's leaked that Comey asked for more funding to expand the investigation, and it pissed Trump off
- but then the WH 100% denied that
but it was leaked more that no in fact, he did ask for more funding/expansion

That he was fired when he was fired, and by Trump, and the manner in which he was fired...Trump owns all that. Not the "liberal hypocrisy", whatever that ring wing meme is.
He's the president, he's taking "actions", and he's being judged. Constantly blaming liberals for his nonsense, or blaming Hillary, surely you can defend him on some rational basis can't you digsbe?
Something worthy of someone science-minded...may have I don't know...some *plausible reasons* on which to defend him?

I know you've got some credible reasons to defend his behavior, something reasonable...about Trump's behavior/actions, not about "liberals", not about "HRC". About Trump.
Let's hear these reasonable reasons why Trump handled it this way, rather than just attacking the opposition with a lame right wing soundbite.
 
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Firing Comey could be just the impetus the Democrats needed to cry like babies for the next 8 years of Trump's presidency!
 
nota bene said:
Because a national crisis such as this would be good for the nation?
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Our forefathers built checks & balances into our system of governance, as well as installed fail-safes.

We very easily got past Nixon. The crisis we currently suffer under Trump pales in comparison to the impeachment process.
 
digsbe said:
Liberals during the election "Fire Comey for reopening Hillary's emails costing her the election!!11!!!"

Liberals after Trump fires Comey "Omg Russia, scandal, he shouldn't have fired him!"

Their "resistance" never ceases to make me laugh :lamo The liberal hypocrisy is so strong and many are so politically deranged they will just hate Trump for the sake of hating Trump.
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That really isn't what the majority of the outrage is about. People aren't finding this move suspicious because Comey was fired, and they suddenly love Comey or something. it's because of the timing and alleged reasoning behind Comey's firing.
 
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