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Bug Gate or Obamagate or what shall we call it?

AlbqOwl said:
The certainty of the anti-Trump crowd is pretty amazing. :)
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Well, we know who made the accusation and the Donald is often extremely loose with the truth.
 
Peter King said:
Well, we know who made the accusation and the Donald is often extremely loose with the truth.
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Donald Trump could cure cancer, end world hunger, achieve world peace, and walk on water, and you guys would call it all a lie. The man hasn't been in office two months yet and you all seem absolutely terrified that he might actually accomplish something worthwhile God forbid.

I would hate to hate America so much that I would see the whole country fail rather than see my enemy succeed. And the whole hateful left seems to be in that frame of mind. And I do hate that.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Oh I see. Because he hasn't shown any evidence to YOU then he doesn't have any.

Sigh.
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If he has evidence why not present it? Why is the White House walking back claims? Why are his pundits distancing his claims; "Our job is not to present evidence"
 
AlbqOwl said:
Donald Trump could cure cancer, end world hunger, achieve world peace, and walk on water, and you guys would call it all a lie. The man hasn't been in office two months yet and you all seem absolutely terrified that he might actually accomplish something worthwhile God forbid.

I would hate to hate America so much that I would see the whole country fail rather than see my enemy succeed. And the whole hateful left seems to be in that frame of mind. And I do hate that.
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If he achieves something than good for him, but if it is not good for the US or the world as a whole, don't think I am going to hold a "congratulation Donald party".

But if he cures cancer (doubtful), ends world hunger (LOL the Donald? The who wants to make the poor uninsured again) and walking on water is not possible unless you are someone like Dynamo.

And I am sorry, but Trump lied a lot in his campaign and his first 2 months of presidency is not showing a lot of hopeful signs.

And the hateful left? :2no4: No, the critical left and the disgusted left, because the disgusted and frustrated left do not want the US to fail, they want this administration to fail, and in the enormously divided political field of the US they are no different than the Tea Party people who had the exact same attitude as the left has towards Trump.

I think the left wants the US to succeed, not like this administration is planning for the rich to succeed, for the corporate fat cats, big banks, big polluters to succeed, they want the rest of the US to succeed. They do not hate the US, they hate greed at the expense of the US and it's citizens. At least that is how I see "the hateful left".
 
TheDemSocialist said:
If he has evidence why not present it? Why is the White House walking back claims? Why are his pundits distancing his claims; "Our job is not to present evidence"
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He wouldn't present it if an investigation is ongoing and those investigating don't want to expose the hand they hold. President Trump isn't the type to telegraph how he intends to do something and thereby give his opponents or enemy opportunity to screw it up for him.
 
Peter King said:
If he achieves something than good for him, but if it is not good for the US or the world as a whole, don't think I am going to hold a "congratulation Donald party".

But if he cures cancer (doubtful), ends world hunger (LOL the Donald? The who wants to make the poor uninsured again) and walking on water is not possible unless you are someone like Dynamo.

And I am sorry, but Trump lied a lot in his campaign and his first 2 months of presidency is not showing a lot of hopeful signs.

And the hateful left? :2no4: No, the critical left and the disgusted left, because the disgusted and frustrated left do not want the US to fail, they want this administration to fail, and in the enormously divided political field of the US they are no different than the Tea Party people who had the exact same attitude as the left has towards Trump.

I think the left wants the US to succeed, not like this administration is planning for the rich to succeed, for the corporate fat cats, big banks, big polluters to succeed, they want the rest of the US to succeed. They do not hate the US, they hate greed at the expense of the US and it's citizens. At least that is how I see "the hateful left".
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Those who would rather see America fail than see Trump succeed are legion.
Those who would rather see America fail than see Trump get credit for anything good that happens are legion.
Those who would rather see America fail than blame the guilty instead of the President are legion.
 
AlbqOwl said:
He wouldn't present it if an investigation is ongoing and those investigating don't want to expose the hand they hold.
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Good god :doh He is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. If there is an investigation ongoing he would know about it and if he knew about wiretapping then he literally just exposed them.

President Trump isn't the type to telegraph how he intends to do something and thereby give his opponents or enemy opportunity to screw it up for him.
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You guys can literally somehow justify everything he does not matter how much bull**** is in it. So now we are to the point where he can make unfounded and unsubstantiated claims and take him at his word. :doh Literally the most easily conned people.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Good god :doh He is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. If there is an investigation ongoing he would know about it and if he knew about wiretapping then he literally just exposed them.


You guys can literally somehow justify everything he does not matter how much bull**** is in it. So now we are to the point where he can make unfounded and unsubstantiated claims and take him at his word. :doh Literally the most easily conned people.
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Do you often read so uncarefully? I didn't say he didn't know about any investigation going on. I just said he is not the type to show his hand during an investigation going on. But like all good poker players he is fully capable of teasing to persuade others to reveal more than they intended to.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Do you often read so uncarefully? I didn't say he didn't know about any investigation going on. I just said he is not the type to show his hand during an investigation going on.
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If true he literally just did show his hand....

But like all good poker players he is fully capable of teasing to persuade others to reveal more than they intended to.
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:lamo
 
AlbqOwl said:
Those who would rather see America fail than see Trump succeed are legion.
Those who would rather see America fail than see Trump get credit for anything good that happens are legion.
Those who would rather see America fail than blame the guilty instead of the President are legion.
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Those that would have rather seen America fail than see Obama succeed were legion, and a lot of them were in congress.
Those who have actively worked for America to fail when Obama is president are legion too.
Those who still claim that the US has slipped into socialism are legion, and they want that America and it's citizens to fail.
Those who think the new health care law (that will kill many more Americans and bankrupt them) are legion.

Fact, both sides would rather see the country fail than working with the president of the other party. The republicans showed that time and time again during the presidency of Obama.

Your assertions are just as valid for right wing voters as left wing voters, even if the name of the president is different. And if Hillary or Bernie had won the presidency, the extreme right would have been just as willing for the US to fail rather than see Hillary/Bernie succeed.

Sadly the US is a country so horribly divided that hatred drives great parts of the US public.

And if Trump does something good than great, but potentially destroying the surface water and other stupid stuff like that is not going to make the US great again, it will only line the pockets of Trump's special interest buddies greatly again.
 
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yankintx said:
As Trump has provided zero evidence I fail to see its anything more than one of the mans MANY delusional 3AM tweets. Let the investigations play out, and chips fall.
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How do you get information from an intelligence agency that wants to hide it. Call them on the phone? That's why obama will be in the middle of the Trump/Russia investigation.
 
Peter King said:
Obama is a politician, they all lie at an alarming level, however compared to the Orange Lie Machine currently holding court at Maralago, Obama is an incredibly honest person IMHO.

And where idiotic conspiracy nonsense stories get their information from? Who knows, little green men or their own thumbs.
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I notice you couldn't answer my question. I'll repeat it, so that everyone reading can watch you dodge it a second time: Where do you suppose the reporters who wrote news stories about this electronic surveillance got their information? From a little bird, maybe?
 
AlbqOwl said:
1. From various media sources just like everybody else with the exception that I use media sources providing all available perspectives instead of relying on the "we hate Trump and will destroy him" sources for all or most information.

2. I don't participate in the assigned talking points for the day or week such as "Trump lies" "Trump has no evidence" "Trump groundlessly accused Obama" etc. etc. etc. When you don't allow yourself to be brainwashed, you have a chance to see a lot more possibilities than the standard partisan line.

3. I listen carefully to what those who work in national security and law enforcement have to say.

4. I try hard not to assume anything based on pure speculation.
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No media sources were reporting on an ongoing investigation of Obama in regard to Trump's accusation.
 
matchlight said:
I notice you couldn't answer my question. I'll repeat it, so that everyone reading can watch you dodge it a second time: Where do you suppose the reporters who wrote news stories about this electronic surveillance got their information? From a little bird, maybe?
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Well, I did answer it, first we do not know for one millisecond that stories are truthful in any way or shape and secondly, where do journalists come up with their stories, maybe it was the Trump campaign who leaked that kind of a story or maybe because they have over active imagination.

I don't know it and you equally do not know whether or not the story is true or whether the journalists had dependable sources. Sadly, as conservatives keep complaining time and time again, news papers at times lie.
 
Peter King said:
Well, I did answer it, first we do not know for one millisecond that stories are truthful in any way or shape and secondly, where do journalists come up with their stories, maybe it was the Trump campaign who leaked that kind of a story or maybe because they have over active imagination.

I don't know it and you equally do not know whether or not the story is true or whether the journalists had dependable sources. Sadly, as conservatives keep complaining time and time again, news papers at times lie.
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The general theme of these news stories was that this or that person associated with Mr. Trump had had improper contacts with Russia. And what they implied was that this nefarious activity threw the election in favor of Trump, making his presidency illegitimate from the start. What motive could the Trump campaign possibly have had to foster stories like that?
 
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