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Make the Flynn Tape Public -Team Trump turns an empty narrative into a major scandal

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Let’s hear the tape. The Flynn affair is a tale of intrigue, with head-spinning twists and turns, manipulative spies, narrative-weaving pols, and strategists who mostly outsmart themselves. It is easy to get lost in the weeds. There is one easy way to get to the bottom of it, though — one way to get a real sense of whether General Michael Flynn, the now-former national-security adviser, is a lying rogue who deceived every Trump administration official in sight, or the victim of an elaborate “deep state” scam whose real objective is to destroy not merely Flynn but the Trump presidency.

Let’s go to the audio tape: the government’s recording of a December 29, 2016, conversation, intercepted under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), that Flynn had with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States.
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Michal Flynn & Russia -- Release the Tape of Call with Russian Ambassador | National Review

Nice summary in the piece.

Let's hear the tape?
Or see the transcript(s)?
Sounds good to me ... you?
 
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Cardinal said:
Well on one hand I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been leaked already. On the other hand I guess that could probably reveal the source of the leak a lot more specifically.
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The source is American. That's a given. If it's an American who works for one of our intel agencies (pretty much a given) then he and/or she needs to be exposed and prosecuted.

Conversely, if the conversation reveals, as has been intimated, a Trump plot to dispose of US interests in favor of delivering our nation to Russia, that should also be exposed.
 
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Maybe Wikileaks will release the wiretap soon. I'd like that. If the info was classified, the leaker should be arrested. The Agency in charge overhauled. This is a National Security issue, but it is much greater than Flynn. Why do the Intelligence Agencies, particularly the CIA, have agents in all the major MSM in the USA? Does this issue tell the stroy?
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Doesn't the president have the power to declassify intelligence?
Release the tape, (tapes) and while at it release the documents on the Iran deal that not even most of Congress can view.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Michal Flynn & Russia -- Release the Tape of Call with Russian Ambassador | National Review

Nice summary in the piece.

Let's hear the tape?
Or see the transcript(s)?
Sounds good to me ... you?
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I believe it is classified top secret and was leaked by intelligence agents. So sure, release the report. But the sin he committed was not fully briefing VP Pence. The report released was used to prove that he didn't.

But on the road to disclosure we have an unauthorized release of the document during the Obama administration, with the stated motive that Flynn was a threat to Obama's legacy by wanting to dismantle the Iran deal. And for the record, I was not in favor of leaks against Obama, either. I don't like the idea of intelligence agencies getting into "who stands, who falls" politics.

Why didn't the agency just go to Wikileaks like everyone else? They wanted to send a message. Not quite a horse head in your bed, but you get the idea. "Cross us and we will "f" you.
 
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I'm still surprised, perhaps naively, by the following: Isn't it illegal for a government agency to wiretap or eavesdrop on the conversations of an American citizen without a warrant? And even if an American citizen happens to be caught up in a wiretap of an alien, the American citizen's part in the conversation is supposed to be redacted and his/her identity hidden. Why was this made public and who authorized the publication? If it wasn't authorized, the FBI has serious internal problems and they are far more serious than anything that has been discussed about Flynn's conversations with the Russian envoy.

Additionally, seems the FBI is more concerned with destroying elements of the Trump administration, perhaps payback for the Hillary disclosures, than they are in retaining state secrets as classified.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I'm still surprised, perhaps naively, by the following: Isn't it illegal for a government agency to wiretap or eavesdrop on the conversations of an American citizen without a warrant? And even if an American citizen happens to be caught up in a wiretap of an alien, the American citizen's part in the conversation is supposed to be redacted and his/her identity hidden. Why was this made public and who authorized the publication? If it wasn't authorized, the FBI has serious internal problems and they are far more serious than anything that has been discussed about Flynn's conversations with the Russian envoy.

Additionally, seems the FBI is more concerned with destroying elements of the Trump administration, perhaps payback for the Hillary disclosures, than they are in retaining state secrets as classified.
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I think they have a blanket warrant to listen in on the Russian government
 
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Mac77 said:
I think they have a blanket warrant to listen in on the Russian government
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That's fair and understandable, but that doesn't speak to the issue of listening in on an American citizen without a warrant. It's dangerous, in my view, when law enforcement becomes lawless, regardless of who's in the crosshairs.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
That's fair and understandable, but that doesn't speak to the issue of listening in on an American citizen without a warrant. It's dangerous, in my view, when law enforcement becomes lawless, regardless of who's in the crosshairs.
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I think it is legal to record the russian phone conversations no matter who they are talking to

The problem here is the unauthorized release of wiretaps which implies a very powerful secret organization that has gone rogue
 
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Lutherf said:
The source is American. That's a given. If it's an American who works for one of our intel agencies (pretty much a given) then he and/or she needs to be exposed and prosecuted.

Conversely, if the conversation reveals, as has been intimated, a Trump plot to dispose of US interests in favor of delivering our nation to Russia, that should also be exposed.
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Praxas said:
Sounds good, but we can't even get Tax returns out of Trump, what makes you think we will possibly get a damaging tape to his admin?
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What IS your obsession with his tax returns? Thats so comical. You people will be on your death bed shrieking "DAMMIT!!!! If I only saw Trumps tax returns!!!!"

There is this organization....its a rather famously well known organization...known as the I R S...that has seen his tax returns. Beyond that...its not your business...is it?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I'm still surprised, perhaps naively, by the following: Isn't it illegal for a government agency to wiretap or eavesdrop on the conversations of an American citizen without a warrant? And even if an American citizen happens to be caught up in a wiretap of an alien, the American citizen's part in the conversation is supposed to be redacted and his/her identity hidden. Why was this made public and who authorized the publication? If it wasn't authorized, the FBI has serious internal problems and they are far more serious than anything that has been discussed about Flynn's conversations with the Russian envoy.

Additionally, seems the FBI is more concerned with destroying elements of the Trump administration, perhaps payback for the Hillary disclosures, than they are in retaining state secrets as classified.
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Obama expanded the power of intelligence agencies all 16 just a couple of weeks before he left office in how they can gather information on Americans and share that information with other agencies without protecting the names of the innocent that was the practice prior just a couple of weeks before he left office. With today's news that move really is starting to look like this was all done to sabotage the new administration and get rid of Flynn.
 
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Mac77 said:
I think it is legal to record the russian phone conversations no matter who they are talking to

The problem here is the unauthorized release of wiretaps which implies a very powerful secret organization that has gone rogue
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That might be the case but if it were that simple you'd think the Trump Admin would be anxious to get it resolved rather than let the political zeitgeist being created compound itself.

I've heard the NSA is also known as No Such Agency.
Calling Jason Bourne.
 
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bubbabgone said:
That might be the case but if it were that simple you'd think the Trump Admin would be anxious to get it resolved rather than let the political zeitgeist being created compound itself.

I've heard the NSA is also known as No Such Agency.
Calling Jason Bourne.
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The only way to resolve the problem is to identify, fire and possibly jail the leakers
 
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Mac77 said:
The only way to resolve the problem is to identify, fire and possibly jail the leakers
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Yeah but it doesn't "appear" to be happening.
 
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Lutherf said:
The source is American. That's a given. If it's an American who works for one of our intel agencies (pretty much a given) then he and/or she needs to be exposed and prosecuted.

Conversely, if the conversation reveals, as has been intimated, a Trump plot to dispose of US interests in favor of delivering our nation to Russia, that should also be exposed.
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I take Donald Trump's position on this, which is that leaks are awesome.
 
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vesper said:
Obama expanded the power of intelligence agencies all 16 just a couple of weeks before he left office in how they can gather information on Americans and share that information with other agencies without protecting the names of the innocent that was the practice prior just a couple of weeks before he left office. With today's news that move really is starting to look like this was all done to sabotage the new administration and get rid of Flynn.
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One might think that if the Obama administration had solid evidence that the Trump campaign was conspiring with the Russians to damage Clinton or to turn control of America over to the Russians they might have said something. Come to think of it, based on what I saw this campaign season, if the Obama administration had even thought of that idea they'd have "speculated" and said something.

This looks more and more like a coup attempt every day.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
That's fair and understandable, but that doesn't speak to the issue of listening in on an American citizen without a warrant. It's dangerous, in my view, when law enforcement becomes lawless, regardless of who's in the crosshairs.
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They can listen in on just about anyone who holds a clearance. However that used to be FBI, not the others. The others are forbidden to use domestic surveillance. Which in this case they didn't. The leaked the transcript of a classified call to prove Flynn didn't fully brief Pence.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I'm still surprised, perhaps naively, by the following: Isn't it illegal for a government agency to wiretap or eavesdrop on the conversations of an American citizen without a warrant? And even if an American citizen happens to be caught up in a wiretap of an alien, the American citizen's part in the conversation is supposed to be redacted and his/her identity hidden. Why was this made public and who authorized the publication? If it wasn't authorized, the FBI has serious internal problems and they are far more serious than anything that has been discussed about Flynn's conversations with the Russian envoy.

Additionally, seems the FBI is more concerned with destroying elements of the Trump administration, perhaps payback for the Hillary disclosures, than they are in retaining state secrets as classified.
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From what I understand, it is illegal to listen in on a conversation without a warrant involving an American citizen once the identity of the citizen has been established. Since there was no warrant to eavesdrop on Flynn, this is clearly a violation.

So there are two felonies at play here. The recording of the conversation and the leaking of the conversation. Somebody WILL go down for this because the number of people who have the ability to intercept and record phone conversations is limited as is the number of people who would have had access to the recording after the fact.
 
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