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Make the Flynn Tape Public -Team Trump turns an empty narrative into a major scandal

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I take Donald Trump's position on this, which is that leaks are awesome.

They may well be. If they show a Democrat backed conspiracy to tank Trump it may well be the best thing that's happened to this nation since 1776.
 
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They may well be. If they show a Democrat backed conspiracy to tank Trump it may well be the best thing that's happened to this nation since 1776.

What a weird post. A "conspiracy?" I think we've been pretty open about our desire to tank this administration. Unless you think that the largest protest in US history against Trump was done in secret?
 
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Sounds good, but we can't even get Tax returns out of Trump, what makes you think we will possibly get a damaging tape to his admin?

Lol ! If it was damaging someone would have leaked it in its entirety.

This was just a attempt to by the media ( NYT, CNN, MSNBC ) and the Democrats to shore up their Putin tin hat conspiracy theories and it blew up in their faces.

Intelligence Official: Transcripts Of Flynn's Calls Don't Show Criminal Wrongdoing : The Two-Way : NPR

Better luck next time
 
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Sounds good, but we can't even get Tax returns out of Trump, what makes you think we will possibly get a damaging tape to his admin?

The Russkies probably have Trumps tax returns, ready to release at any time.
 
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Tell the intelligence people to declassify it.
Actually, that sounds like a pretty good solution Maggie.

But then Trump will come after them, and they'd likely be out of a job within hours - similar to his DOJ head when she needed time to review his travel order and challenged him publicly.

The real problem here is when Trump is acting dictatorially, there's no Congress to keep him in check, as we can see here. This is why I see this situation as extremely dangerous.
 
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Obama expanded the power of intelligence agencies all 16 just a couple of weeks before he left office in how they can gather information on Americans and share that information with other agencies without protecting the names of the innocent that was the practice prior just a couple of weeks before he left office. With today's news that move really is starting to look like this was all done to sabotage the new administration and get rid of Flynn.

Yes, Obama twisted Flynn's arm into discussing the sanctions. By the way, Obama must have have slipped something in Flynn's drink to make him a lying POS, some of you folks, need a wake up.
 
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Yes, Obama twisted Flynn's arm into discussing the sanctions. By the way, Obama must have have slipped something in Flynn's drink to make him a lying POS, some of you folks, need a wake up.

Who slipped something into Obama's drink ? He was a lying POS too, amiright ??
 
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Who slipped something into Obama's drink ? He was a lying POS too, amiright ??

Later
 
Re: Make the Flynn Tape Public -Team Trump turns an empty narrative into a major scan

Actually, that sounds like a pretty good solution Maggie.

But then Trump will come after them, and they'd likely be out of a job within hours - similar to his DOJ head when she needed time to review his travel order and challenged him publicly.

The real problem here is when Trump is acting dictatorially, there's no Congress to keep him in check, as we can see here. This is why I see this situation as extremely dangerous.

If you are so concerned, then the press could file a request under FOIA. Or do you think assassinations would follow? It must be terrible to live in such fear.

Where has Trump acted dictorially, by the way?
 
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Well on one hand I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been leaked already. On the other hand I guess that could probably reveal the source of the leak a lot more specifically.

It hasn't been leaked because the actual context and content would vindicate General Flynn.
 
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It hasn't been leaked because the actual context and content would vindicate General Flynn.

That must be why Trump demanded his resignation.
 
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If you are so concerned, then the press could file a request under FOIA. Or do you think assassinations would follow? It must be terrible to live in such fear.

Where has Trump acted dictorially, by the way?
While FOIA is another reasonable idea, I doubt the document is classified for public consumption. Which is why Congress needs to step-up.

Flynn lost his security clearance! Why do you think that is? So there's some real stuff going down here, Maggie.

And Trump may not be a dictator (yet), but when he refuses questions from the media, sends surrogates out to lie to create a false reality, and attacks the authority of the judiciary, he sure seems to be moving more in that direction than in the direction of freedom, truth, & transparency.
 
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That must be why Trump demanded his resignation.

His resignation was propted because he wasn't honest about the conversation, but that doesn't mean he broke any laws.
 
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His resignation was propted because he wasn't honest about the conversation, but that doesn't mean he broke any laws.

And he wasn't honest about the conversation because it was totally legit. Ha ha.
 
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And he wasn't honest about the conversation because it was totally legit. Ha ha.

If he broke the law, then why hasn't the FBI charged him? They interviewed hin in January.
 
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And he wasn't honest about the conversation because it was totally legit. Ha ha.

The current story is that he didn't fully disclose the content of his conversation with the Russian ambassador to VP Pence. That does not in any way mean that the conversation with the Russian ambassador was inappropriate or illegal.
 
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The current story is that he didn't fully disclose the content of his conversation with the Russian ambassador to VP Pence. That does not in any way mean that the conversation with the Russian ambassador was inappropriate or illegal.

Sure, because one's natural instinct is to lie to the Vice President and have him in turn lie to the American public about a totally legit thing, because that conversation was itself legit.

Good one, guys. Now tell us the one about the rabbi and the priest.
 
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While FOIA is another reasonable idea, I doubt the document is classified for public consumption. Which is why Congress needs to step-up.

Flynn lost his security clearance! Why do you think that is? So there's some real stuff going down here, Maggie.

And Trump may not be a dictator (yet), but when he refuses questions from the media, sends surrogates out to lie to create a false reality, and attacks the authority of the judiciary, he sure seems to be moving more in that direction than in the direction of freedom, truth, & transparency.

And yet the DIA said:

We have taken the administrative step of suspending Mike Flynn’s access to classified information pending a review,” Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) spokesman James Kudla said. “We take this standard administrative action when questions arise concerning an individual’s compliance with security clearance directives.”

I support Trump, quite obviously, so I'm not going to read more into it than what the intelligence community reports. If he has done something wrong? He will be prosecuted.
 
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The current story is that he didn't fully disclose the content of his conversation with the Russian ambassador to VP Pence. That does not in any way mean that the conversation with the Russian ambassador was inappropriate or illegal.
This is an accurate statement.

But Flynn's subterfuge in hiding his conversation may indicate there is indeed something untoward he's trying to cover-up.

Which is why there needs to be an investigation, or at least a release of the transcript (redacted or otherwise). There's no reason to not have transparency here, letting this fester and cause unrest.

But I'll add one more comment: Flynn's security clearance was revoked yesterday. That's a big deal, IMO.
 
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Sure, because one's natural instinct is to lie to the Vice President and have him in turn lie to the American public about a totally legit thing, because that conversation was itself legit.

Good one, guys. Now tell us the one about the rabbi and the priest.

Oh FFS:doh

Do you consider NPR to be a a reliable source of information? Here's something one of their people picked up - Intelligence Official: Transcripts Of Flynn's Calls Don't Show Criminal Wrongdoing : The Two-Way : NPR

The intelligence official who has personally seen the transcripts told Mary Louise they contained "no evidence" of criminal wrongdoing, although the official said it can't be definitively ruled out.

The official also said there was "absolutely nothing" in the transcripts that suggests Flynn was acting under instructions "or that the trail leads higher."

"I don't think [Flynn] knew he was doing anything wrong," the official said. "Flynn talked about sanctions, but no specific promises were made. Flynn was speaking more in general 'maybe we'll take a look at this going forward' terms."

Now, if the Democrats want to build a case around this and suggest that Flynn lied to the FBI because he failed to disclose a casual conversation and general discussion of sanctions then go for it. It'll set a precedent that will chill pretty much chill any and all political speech between a private US citizen and a foreigner.
 
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And yet the DIA said:



I support Trump, quite obviously, so I'm not going to read more into it than what the intelligence community reports. If he has done something wrong? He will be prosecuted.
I believe that review you cited in your post is for his security clearance.

How can you say he will be prosecuted (if wrong)? The House and FBI have already declined to investigate! :doh

This is the very problem I've been driving at, here.
 
Re: Make the Flynn Tape Public -Team Trump turns an empty narrative into a major scan

This is an accurate statement.

But Flynn's subterfuge in hiding his conversation may indicate there is indeed something untoward he's trying to cover-up.

Which is why there needs to be an investigation, or at least a release of the transcript (redacted or otherwise). There's no reason to not have transparency here, letting this fester and cause unrest.

But I'll add one more comment: Flynn's security clearance was revoked yesterday. That's a big deal, IMO.


It seems to be the case that Flynn's conversation was something along the lines of "We'll look into that after the 20th". If that kind of speech is treated as a violation of the Logan Act or considered to be intentionally misleading the FBI because Flynn didn't disclose it then we may as well not allow anyone to discuss anything with a foreigner.
 
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I believe that review you cited in your post is for his security clearance.

How can you say he will be prosecuted (if wrong)? The House and FBI have already declined to investigate! :doh

This is the very problem I've been driving at, here.

Chomsky, can you give me a link indicating the FBI has declined any further investigation investigation?
 
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It seems to be the case that Flynn's conversation was something along the lines of "We'll look into that after the 20th". If that kind of speech is treated as a violation of the Logan Act or considered to be intentionally misleading the FBI because Flynn didn't disclose it then we may as well not allow anyone to discuss anything with a foreigner.
You're premise is correct.

But you're assuming content that has not been ascertained.

That's the problem I'm harping on: The need for transparency. Trump has vowed to take over Washington & turn it upside-down. Not all of the country wants this, many fear it, and transparency would go a long way to calming those that are worried.
 
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His resignation was propted because he wasn't honest about the conversation, but that doesn't mean he broke any laws.
You are absolutely correct.
Trump is holding a presser at the moment and took questions about Flynn. He went onto say Flynn was let go because he was not forth coming to the VP about what was discussed. Yet went on to clarify what he said did not break any laws he was doing his job.
 
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