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The CIA Just Declassified the Document That Supposedly Justified the Iraq Invasion

Re: The CIA Just Declassified the Document That Supposedly Justified the Iraq Invasio

Gaugingcatenate said:
Here is Clinton's own statement at the time,

"Before I take your questions, I'd like to say just a word about the framework with North Korea that Ambassador Gallucci signed this morning. This is a good deal for the United States," Clinton said at the press conference.

North Korea will freeze and then dismantle its nuclear program. South Korea and our other allies will be better protected. The entire world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons.

"South Korea, with support from Japan and other nations, will bear most of the cost of providing North Korea with fuel to make up for the nuclear energy it is losing, and they will pay for an alternative power system for North Korea that will allow them to produce electricity while making it much harder for them to produce nuclear weapons.

"The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps its commitments. Only as it does so will North Korea fully join the community of nations."

What is a laughable joke is that your own article dismantles your premise.

This from the article, "Then intelligence agencies determined that North Korea was cheating on the agreement by trying to develop nuclear material through another method — highly-enriched uranium. The Bush administration sent an envoy who confronted North Korea — and the regime was said to have belligerently confirmed it."

The link attached to that statement brings up a cannot be found message.
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So what?

My link disproved your claim. End of story. No amount of blathering on your part will change that simple reality.
 
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Fishking said:
Did you miss the part where I said I was against it?
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Yeah, it was after you declared you didn't care.
 
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Moot said:
Yeah, it was after you declared you didn't care.
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I said I didn't care if they had the WMDs or not as I would be against going into Iraq even if they did, indeed, have them. Reading is fundamental.
 
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Absentglare said:
What President Clinton said is that we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMDs.

He also launched cruise missiles at Iraq to deter the development of WMDs. Obviously, he was successful. Republicans claimed that it was just a distraction from Lewinsky.

President Bush 2 sent 4,400 Americans to their graves to re-do what President Clinton had already done without jeopardizing any American lives.
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Clinton authorized a missile attack on Iraq in 1993, Lewinsky was not until 1996. You are thinking of the aspirin factory bombing in Sudan. Clinton and several other Dems stated shortly after 911 that they believed Saddam had WMDs......Nice propaganda try you lose.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
So what?

My link disproved your claim. End of story. No amount of blathering on your part will change that simple reality.
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That is simply a statement of pure ignorance. I PROVED my statement and DISPROVED yours. How you can feel like you disproved my claim is pure silliness. Hell, I DISPROVED yours with your own source. You libs are something else, reality never hinders your inane arguments, truth doesn't seem to phase you folks in the least.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
The CIA Director tells the President it's a "slam dunk" that Iraq has WMD's, some report is printed in the press, and that makes GWB a war criminal?
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The NIE was a mess and Bush and Co. followed it... if anything they are guilty of negligence.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
That is simply a statement of pure ignorance. I PROVED my statement and DISPROVED yours.
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LOL! No, you simply didn't. You made a claim. I supplied the evidence that dismantled your claim. Now you're making fantasy land nonsensical statements.
How you can feel like you disproved my claim is pure silliness. Hell, I DISPROVED yours with your own source. You libs are something else, reality never hinders your inane arguments, truth doesn't seem to phase you folks in the least.
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No, you didn't. It's always the same with you: resort to lies when you're utterly torn apart.

Sorry about your delusions. Perhaps you need some helping reading what was at that link?
 
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Moot said:
I didn't forget. Saddam stopped the inspections in 1998 because the CIA were pretending to be UN inspectors.
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That was NEVER a reason stated by Saddam for no longer allowing inspectors into Iraq...

You have a nasty habit of distorting fact so they fit with your agenda. I discovered long ago that when your political beliefs are legitimate and true, there's never any need to distort facts or resort to dishonesty... Something that obviously, you have yet to discover.
 
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Casca XV said:
Clinton authorized a missile attack on Iraq in 1993, Lewinsky was not until 1996. You are thinking of the aspirin factory bombing in Sudan. Clinton and several other Dems stated shortly after 911 that they believed Saddam had WMDs......Nice propaganda try you lose.
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You are mistaken.

There was a cruise missile attack in 1993. There was also an attack in 1998:

"Distraction from Clinton impeachment scandal
Some critics of the Clinton administration, including Republican members of Congress,[25] expressed concern over the timing of Operation Desert Fox.[26] The four-day bombing campaign occurred at the same time the U.S. House of Representatives was conducting the impeachment hearing of President Clinton. Clinton was impeached by the House on December 19, the last day of the bombing campaign. A few months earlier, similar criticism was levelled during Operation Infinite Reach, wherein missile strikes were ordered against suspected terrorist bases in Sudan and Afghanistan, on August 20."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_(1998)
 
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Grim17 said:
That was NEVER a reason stated by Saddam for no longer allowing inspectors into Iraq...

You have a nasty habit of distorting fact so they fit with your agenda. I discovered long ago that when your political beliefs are legitimate and true, there's never any need to distort facts or resort to dishonesty... Something that obviously, you have yet to discover.
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Yes it was...


"...In 1998, a previous U.N. monitoring regime collapsed amid disputes between Iraq and the United Nations over alleged U.S. spying from within the U.N. operation and inspectors' access to sensitive sites. Several American newspapers subsequently reported that the CIA had in fact infiltrated those weapons inspection teams..."
Saddam Sees Spies In Disguise - CBS News

"...An investigation by the Washington Post found that CIA engineers working as UN technicians installed antennae in equipment belonging to the UN Special Commission (Unscom) to eavesdrop on the Iraqi military. When British intelligence asked what was going on, the operation was denied, the report said...."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/mar/03/iraq.julianborger

Context of 'December 16, 1998: Richard Butler Orders the Withdrawal of UN Weapons Inspectors from Iraq'​


You have an obtuse, nasty habit of trying to make it personal instead of discussing the issue with credible evidence and facts. Stop it, Grim.
 
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I've been scanning through the documentation. It actually supports everything the Bush administration said.

Aluminum tubes.

Mobile laboratories.

etc.
etc.
etc.
 
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Yeah yeah yeah.
My statement:
Gaugingcatenate said:
You see, that is clearly the difference. BJClinton allowed NK to get nukes. If anything was to be done about that, should have been before, now we can do nothing but wait for them to pull the trigger one day.
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Now a quote from your own source:

"Then intelligence agencies determined that North Korea was cheating on the agreement by trying to develop nuclear material through another method — highly-enriched uranium.*The Bush administration sent an envoy who confronted North Korea — and the regime was said to have belligerently confirmed it."*

This after we were told by BJ this:

"North Korea will freeze and then dismantle its nuclear program. South Korea and our other allies will be better protected. The entire world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons.

"South Korea, with support from Japan and other nations, will bear most of the cost of providing North Korea with fuel to make up for the nuclear energy it is losing, and they will pay for an alternative power system for North Korea that will allow them to produce electricity while making it much harder for them to produce nuclear weapons.

"The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps its commitments"
BJ gets North Korea to agree to freeze and dismantle their nuke weapons program with us giving them aid in the form of fuel oil/assured and financed the building of two light water reactors /trade barriers lowered and assurances of no US threat/use of nuclear force to sweeten the deal. Of course the NKs take the lucrative offer and then we do not follow through on the US and intern'l inspectors checking much of anything very thoroughly.

CIA from halfway through Bjs second term...well, here, I''ll let PBS lead us through:

Chronology | Kim's Nuclear Gamble | FRONTLINE | PBS

“In the summer of 2002, the CIA, working with evidence that it had been collecting since the middle of Clinton's second term, concludes that North Korea is secretly pursuing a uranium enrichment program. …
On Oct. 3, Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly travels to Pyongyang to confront the North Koreans with the evidence. The next day, the North Koreans admit to the program but refuse to end it. Pyongyang's admission is not publicly revealed for two weeks.
In November, the U.S. Japan, and South Korea cut off all fuel oil shipments to North Korea.

So, it was on Clinton's watch that North Korea was not only not dismantling or freezing its program, it was lying the whole time putting together its nuke weapons program right under the nose of a helpful BJ supplying them with fuel oil and building reactors, you know, playing good cop with nobody to play bad cop until GW shows up and starts calling the NK s on their lies and subterfuge.
So maybe it wasn't worded just right, instead of saying he allowed them to get nukes, probably should have said helped them to get nukes. There was no careful monitoring as promised by BJ to make sure it abides by its commitments. And at minimum, you cannot say he was not cognizant of the fact that they should be stopped and he sure as hell didn't stop them, he allowed them.

Bush may be held accountable for his part as well, but Clinton most certainly let them by the time Bush arrived on scene and started reeling in all the goodies BJ had assured.
 
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