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Surprise: Released Taliban Commander Vows to Resume Violent Jihad Against America....

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punishment without being convicted of a crime is unjust.

we never brought them to trial so on what legal grounds did we have to hold them?

In war we do not arrest or try the enemy. We kill or capture them until we compel their surrender. We have no need to convict our enemies of any crime. We have no need to bring them to trial. Law enforcement is a wholly inappropriate paradigm for counterterrorist war.:peace
 
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Guantanamo prison exists to provide an imprisonment option outside the law. Its inmates were unlawful combatants and therefore enjoy no rights of any kind. We would be perfectly within our own rights to execute them out of hand, or hold them forever without trial.:peace

Yeah, that's kinda how I'm seeing it too. I'd add the thought, unlawful in the sense that there's no existing law that covers their specific set of circumstances.
 
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In war we do not arrest or try the enemy. We kill or capture them until we compel their surrender. We have no need to convict our enemies of any crime. We have no need to bring them to trial. Law enforcement is a wholly inappropriate paradigm for counterterrorist war.:peace

Quoted for truth.

Especially in international theaters with military engagement and military weaponry. These facts make those set of circumstances stray awfully far a field from the law enforcement paradigm / framework.
 
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In war we do not arrest or try the enemy. We kill or capture them until we compel their surrender. We have no need to convict our enemies of any crime. We have no need to bring them to trial. Law enforcement is a wholly inappropriate paradigm for counterterrorist war.:peace

And I think you should show your support for such a system with your wallet. Anyone that supports Gitmo, gets to pay for it, the rest are exempted. Something tells me then you wouldn't be so patriotic about it. You're ok with it, since other people's money is used to fund it. When you yourself have to foot the bill, then let's see your "patriotism" over Gitmo.
 
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And I think you should show your support for such a system with your wallet. Anyone that supports Gitmo, gets to pay for it, the rest are exempted. Something tells me then you wouldn't be so patriotic about it. You're ok with it, since other people's money is used to fund it. When you yourself have to foot the bill, then let's see your "patriotism" over Gitmo.

It is part of our war fighting apparatus just like airplanes, ships and tanks, etc. This is not a matter of patriotism but of war fighting practicality.:peace
 
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Guantanamo prison exists to provide an imprisonment option outside the law. Its inmates were unlawful combatants and therefore enjoy no rights of any kind. We would be perfectly within our own rights to execute them out of hand, or hold them forever without trial.:peace
That's complete Bull****, that would be against the UN if not the Constitution.
 
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That's complete Bull****, that would be against the UN if not the Constitution.

Actually under the Geneva conventions we are very much able to punch everybody's ticket in Guantanamo if we so choose. Why we haven't I haven't a clue as most of them have ceased being useful. If it was me their tickets would have been punched many moons ago. The are considered out of uniform combatants or spies. Either are subject to summery execution.
 
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There's a reason the five recently-released Taliban commanders were classified as "high risk" detainees by US military and intelligence officials: They're exceptionally dangerous, evil extremists. Villagers in Afghanistan are petrified that these monsters will be free to return to their country next year, where they will no doubt continue their reign of terror. President Obama's Director of National Intelligence drew a similar conclusion:

One of the five Taliban leaders freed from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's release has pledged to return to fight Americans in Afghanistan, according to a fellow militant and a relative. "After arriving in Qatar, Noorullah Noori kept insisting he would go to Afghanistan and fight American forces there,” a Taliban commander told NBC News via telephone from Afghanistan. Noori pushed to return to Afghanistan after learning that the U.S. had provided written assurances that no country would arrest any of the five freed for a year as long as they lived peacefully, one of his relatives told NBC News by telephone from Afghanistan...Among the Taliban, the commanders’ release was treated as a victory. "We thought we may not see them again as once you land in the hands of Americans, it's difficult to come out alive,” Noori’s relative said. “But it was a miracle that Allah Almighty gave us Bergdahl and we got back our heroes.”

In addition to his ties to Mullah Omar and other senior Taliban leaders, Noori was "associated with...senior al Qaeda members and other extremist organizations."

As I argued in my lengthy analysis this morning, the administration is currently advancing two mutually-exclusive assertions: That Bergdahl wasn't a hostage (see? we didn't negotiate with terrorists), but that they had to bypass the law and Congress because Bergdahl's captors (who were members of Haqqani, a designated terrorist group) were threatening to kill him. Those two explanations simply cannot exist side-by-side. Traditional prisoner swaps do not entail negotiating with a terrorist organization that forces the other side to comply with their every demand, under threat of executing the "prisoner." The Taliban and Haqqani network are terrorists. Period. The Obama administration negotiated with, and made every requested concession to, those terrorists. Period. Any suggestion otherwise is pitiful, insulting spin that relies on legalistic and contradictory parsing. I made that point on Fox News this afternoon. Be sure to catch the bit where Leslie Marshall claims that she didn't say precisely what she just said:

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Six men who served with Bergdahl made their remarkable case on Megyn Kelly's show last night, and 95 percent of active duty, guard and reserve troops believe Bergdahl should face a court martial, according to a non-scientific survey reported by Military.com.....snip~

Surprise: Released Taliban Commander Vows to Resume Violent Jihad Against America - Guy Benson


Didn't take long.....huh? After BO and others talk about how Qatar will be on top of this. Wherein Qatar says they are not Prisoners but guests. Which they are being treated with a Hero's Welcome.

Now what does Bo and his Team have to say. When we are being told upfront. This one will break his Pledge and go back to the battlefield. Btw this is the one I thought would. While the other two will just call the shots from wherever they sit and party.
What say ye?




Read some history. A lot of people who have launched jihads against the USA are dead.

I predict if this loser tries to go to war against the USA he will get the short end of the stick.

Wait and see.
 
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Actually under the Geneva conventions we are very much able to punch everybody's ticket in Guantanamo if we so choose. Why we haven't I haven't a clue as most of them have ceased being useful. If it was me their tickets would have been punched many moons ago. The are considered out of uniform combatants or spies. Either are subject to summery execution.

So when we invade a country any citizen of that country who opposes us is a "unlawful combatant or a spy"? Where is that written?
 
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"As commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces, I am responsible for those kids. I make absolutely no apologies for making sure that we get back a young man to his parents, and that the American people understand that this is somebody's child".
Speaking of the American Military as children should definitely be included among this guy's history of bloopers. It goes along with his idea that children of 26 years can still be covered under Obamacare.

I'd really like to watch him call some of these Marines a "child" or "kids" to their faces.
 
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So when we invade a country any citizen of that country who opposes us is a "unlawful combatant or a spy"? Where is that written?

I see you have never given the issue any thought.
 
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Read some history. A lot of people who have launched jihads against the USA are dead.

I predict if this loser tries to go to war against the USA he will get the short end of the stick.

Wait and see.


I know a lot of the History SN. :2wave: .....this doesn't change the fact of what they these guys will do. Again we know there at least 50 Terrorists Leaders and or their Bodyguards in Qatar. Meeting up with these guys. Their Terrorists.....take them out, while we got the chance.
 
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That's complete Bull****, that would be against the UN if not the Constitution.

On the contrary. It is explicitly and deliberately well within the rules of both.:peace
 
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I see you have never given the issue any thought.

Mornin Jog. :2wave: Yeah but that doesn't explain why so many miss what is actually being said out there. Not when kids can pull the stuff off the internet.
 
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Actually under the Geneva conventions we are very much able to punch everybody's ticket in Guantanamo if we so choose. Why we haven't I haven't a clue as most of them have ceased being useful. If it was me their tickets would have been punched many moons ago. The are considered out of uniform combatants or spies. Either are subject to summery execution.

Wrong on both counts. I'd hit the books.

On the contrary. It is explicitly and deliberately well within the rules of both.:peace

The Guantanamo detainees are protected by the Geneva conventions says SCOTUS:

U.S. Shifts Policy on Geneva Conventions
Bowing to Justices, Administration Says It Will Apply Treaties to Terror Suspects
By Charles Babington and Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, July 12, 2006; A01

The Bush administration has agreed to apply the Geneva Conventions to all terrorism suspects in U.S. custody, bowing to the Supreme Court's recent rejection of policies that have imprisoned hundreds for years without trials.

The Pentagon announced yesterday that it has called on military officials to adhere to the conventions in dealing with al-Qaeda detainees. The administration also has decided that even prisoners held by the CIA in secret prisons abroad must be treated in accordance with international standards, an interpretation that would prohibit prisoners from being subjected to harsh treatment in interrogations, several U.S. officials said.

The developments underscored how the administration has been forced to retreat from its long-standing position that President Bush be given extensive leeway to determine how to interrogate and prosecute terrorism suspects captured in Iraq, in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Until recently, the White House and Defense Department have pursued such anti-terrorism policies with little interference from Congress and the courts, but that has begun to change.

U.S. Shifts Policy on Geneva Conventions

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Hamdan v. Rumsfeld - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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This is a quick primer for one of the animals that Obama released on the world.

Spoiler because the image is rather graphic. Don't look at it if you are squeamish.

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So when we invade a country any citizen of that country who opposes us is a "unlawful combatant or a spy"? Where is that written?

The Geneva conventions are pretty specific about that. They protect civilians caught up in a warzone but are not participating. If they are participants however they have to have some sort of distinctive uniform or whatnot, otherwise they are considered unlawful combatants and or spies. Which case they are able to be summarily executed.
 
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The Guantanamo detainees are protected by the Geneva conventions says SCOTUS:

U.S. Shifts Policy on Geneva Conventions
Bowing to Justices, Administration Says It Will Apply Treaties to Terror Suspects
By Charles Babington and Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, July 12, 2006; A01

The Bush administration has agreed to apply the Geneva Conventions to all terrorism suspects in U.S. custody, bowing to the Supreme Court's recent rejection of policies that have imprisoned hundreds for years without trials.

The Pentagon announced yesterday that it has called on military officials to adhere to the conventions in dealing with al-Qaeda detainees. The administration also has decided that even prisoners held by the CIA in secret prisons abroad must be treated in accordance with international standards, an interpretation that would prohibit prisoners from being subjected to harsh treatment in interrogations, several U.S. officials said.

The developments underscored how the administration has been forced to retreat from its long-standing position that President Bush be given extensive leeway to determine how to interrogate and prosecute terrorism suspects captured in Iraq, in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Until recently, the White House and Defense Department have pursued such anti-terrorism policies with little interference from Congress and the courts, but that has begun to change.

U.S. Shifts Policy on Geneva Conventions

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Hamdan v. Rumsfeld - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes. Your point would be? You post has nothing to do with mine. Because Guantanamo is outside US jurisdiction and the inmates are unlawful combatants, they are subject to the Geneva Conventions but enjoy no rights under the U.S. Constitution. They may be detained for the duration of hostilities (indefinitely as a practical matter) and may be executed following a sentence by a military tribunal, which the U.S. is free to organize and empower as it wishes.:peace
 
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The Guantanamo detainees are protected by the Geneva conventions says SCOTUS:

U.S. Shifts Policy on Geneva Conventions
Bowing to Justices, Administration Says It Will Apply Treaties to Terror Suspects
By Charles Babington and Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, July 12, 2006; A01

The Bush administration has agreed to apply the Geneva Conventions to all terrorism suspects in U.S. custody, bowing to the Supreme Court's recent rejection of policies that have imprisoned hundreds for years without trials.

The Pentagon announced yesterday that it has called on military officials to adhere to the conventions in dealing with al-Qaeda detainees. The administration also has decided that even prisoners held by the CIA in secret prisons abroad must be treated in accordance with international standards, an interpretation that would prohibit prisoners from being subjected to harsh treatment in interrogations, several U.S. officials said.

The developments underscored how the administration has been forced to retreat from its long-standing position that President Bush be given extensive leeway to determine how to interrogate and prosecute terrorism suspects captured in Iraq, in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Until recently, the White House and Defense Department have pursued such anti-terrorism policies with little interference from Congress and the courts, but that has begun to change.

U.S. Shifts Policy on Geneva Conventions

snip~​

Hamdan v. Rumsfeld - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's in regards to indefinite detention not their status. That is quite clear regarding conventions and standards.
 
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Eventually all of those bad guys will get something that they're not looking for.




"What goes around, comes around."

If they are dangerous enough to drone then they should have never been released.

And how many more American soldiers have to die before Obama decides to pull the trigger ?
 
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wow the right wingers on here hate their President so much that they appear to be cheering and calling for terrorists to kill Americans.
 
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wow the right wingers on here hate their President so much that they appear to be cheering and calling for terrorists to kill Americans.

Who is cheering?:peace
 
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wow the right wingers on here hate their President so much that they appear to be cheering and calling for terrorists to kill Americans.

Lol ! What a retarded statement.


WE diidn't release 5 dangerous and unrepentant Taliban leaders back into the waiting arms of their terrorist buddies.

Your President did that.

Obama's actions are far more LIKELY to result in more dead American soldiers than our criticisms.
 
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Who is cheering?:peace

Yeah JH, and who is calling for terrorists to kill Americans :2wave: .....I didn't see this at all in here. What is up with that? Just where do they get this stuff from?
 
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