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9 Things The Rich Don't Want You To Know About Taxes

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1. Poor Americans do pay taxes.
2. The wealthiest Americans don’t carry the burden.
3. In fact, the wealthy are paying less taxes.
4. Many of the very richest pay no current income taxes at all.
5. And (surprise!) since Reagan, only the wealthy have gained significant income.
6. When it comes to corporations, the story is much the same—less taxes.
7. Some corporate tax breaks destroy jobs.
8. Republicans like taxes too.
9. Other countries do it better.

See the details for the points above at the following link:
9 Things The Rich Don't Want You To Know About Taxes

State income taxes are on a sliding scale, as high as ten and a low of one percent, so why not do the same thing to Fed income tax?

Back in the 60s, the top tax was 92 percent of net income, then the rich man's friend, Regan dropped it down to 38 percent and had to to triple the National debt to pay for it.

ricksfolly
 
you don't think OC confines his rich envy to one silly message board do you?

You mistake rich envy for stupidity pity. The fact that you consistently fail to refute anything I post and flee every time from my posts doesn't suggest your positions are strong. Merely your opinions are and when faced with facts you lack the maturity to reevaluate them and therefore you flee from facing any form of truth.

I keep pointing out how you benefit from wealth redistribution from the middle class and you are entirely incapable of refuting that point. In fact you ran away from it just yesterday.
 
Like what?..............

Renewable energy credits.
Mortgage deduction.
Investment interest expense deduction.
2010's no limit on itemized deductions (BIG FAT RICH GIVEAWAY).
Bonus depreciation.
Corporate welfare boosting dividends to the 1% who owns 48% of all securities.
Passive loss deductions.

Need I go on or will you leave the thread?
 
State income taxes are on a sliding scale, as high as ten and a low of one percent, so why not do the same thing to Fed income tax?

Back in the 60s, the top tax was 92 percent of net income, then the rich man's friend, Regan dropped it down to 38 percent and had to to triple the National debt to pay for it.

ricksfolly

Not only that, the high income tax brackets kicked in real fast. 1952, if you made $64k married filing jointly, you entered the 68% tax bracket. OUCH. In 1970, $44k MFJ you got whacked with 51.25%. Even at a peasly 20k you're at 32.8%

Individual Income Tax Parameters (Including Brackets), 1945-2011

There is absolutely no question that the rich are paying less than they did in the past.
 
See the details for the points above at the following link:
9 Things The Rich Don't Want You To Know About Taxes

I wanted to have something nice to say about this article, “Nine Things the Rich Don’t Want You to Know about Taxes,” because it reiterates a few points that I think are important: that the poor really do pay a lot more in taxes than we often account for in our political discussions, and that our tax code is a fairly horrible, counterproductive mess, a paradise for rent-seekers and influence-buyers.

Unfortunately, it’s a mess from the beginning — a surprisingly thorough mess. I’m not one to be bowled over by credentials, but the author, David Cay Johnston, is identified as a former New York Times reporter, a professor at Syracuse, and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize. I expect a guy with that background to be wrong about everything in the big picture, but I expect him to be careful in the details.

He gets off on the wrong foot:

For three decades we have conducted a massive economic experiment, testing a theory known as supply-side economics. The theory goes like this: Lower tax rates will encourage more investment, which in turn will mean more jobs and greater prosperity — so much so that tax revenues will go up, despite lower rates. The late Milton Friedman, the libertarian economist who wanted to shut down public parks because he considered them socialism, promoted this strategy. Ronald Reagan embraced Friedman’s ideas and made them into policy when he was elected president in 1980.

How many factual errors does that paragraph contain? Let’s sum them up: 1. Supply-side economics is not synonymous with the Laffer Curve, the theory that tax cuts produce higher revenue 2. Milton Friedman was not a supply-sider and was skeptical of their tax claims, famously proclaiming that if you cut taxes and revenue goes up, then you haven’t cut them enough. 3. Milton Friedman did not believe in privatizing city parks or consider them socialism; the “neighborhood effect,” he argued, in many cases created a legitimate public good that could be publicly provided. (This earned him the wrath of Murray Rothbard and other to-the-wall libertarians.) No raving anti-socialist, Friedman famously supported government funding of education — he just wanted it done through vouchers, in a marketplace with consumer choice. 4. Milton Friedman did not “support this strategy” on taxes; he expected tax cuts to produce unpopular deficits that would act as a restraint on future spending. (He kind of blew that call, no?) 5. Ronald Reagan did not put many of Milton Friedman’s ideas into practice, unfortunately.

So, the only two facts in that lead that seem to be true are: 1. Milton Friedman was a libertarian economist; 2. Ronald Reagan was president in the 1980s....

The author conflates outcomes in statistical categories with outcomes in actual households. He makes a very big deal out of the fact that capital-gains taxes aren’t paid until the capital gain is realized, oblivious to the fact that you don’t know what the gain is until it is realized, and therefore do not know what the tax is. (He’s mad because a hedge-fund manager who makes $1 billion in on-paper gains this year isn’t taxed immediately; but if that money is still invested, he might very well lose some of it next year. There is no capital gain to tax until the asset is actually sold.)...

Finally, he stacks the math in his estimate of the European welfare states: “A proper comparison would take the 30 percent average tax on American workers and add their out-of-pocket spending on health care, college tuition and fees for services, and compare that with taxes that the average German pays.” But Germans also pay out-of-pocket for health care (their system has co-pays, which were raised by a 2004 health-reform law), university tuition, student loans, etc., on top of their relatively high taxes. So the proper comparison is American taxes plus American spending on X, Y, and Z vs. German taxes plus German spending on X, Y, and Z. Maybe the numbers still work out in the Germans’ favor. But you will not know until you ask the right question.

Our tax code is full of boneheadedness. Our debate about the tax code is full of boneheadedness, too.
 
This was the best Fox and Friends show ever! Donald Trump was interviewed again. He 's on every Monday - late in the show. Gretchen said he was extra worked up. I think he;s getting tired of nobody asking him his ideas, The pilots on a plane told him please don't stop the birth certificate investigation.

So at this point his investigators still have no birth certificate.

The only way they can get one is through court order so they can investigate all they want. What could they be investigating? Do they just call an office and ask, "Do you have Obama's birth certificate?", get hung up on, and then call someone else? I'd love to know what their "investigating" is. They should start investigating by trying to find some legal way of viewing his long-form birth certificate.
 
I love hearing the whole, "the poor don't pay taxes" shtick.

As if inflation isn't a tax.
 
The only way they can get one is through court order so they can investigate all they want. What could they be investigating? Do they just call an office and ask, "Do you have Obama's birth certificate?", get hung up on, and then call someone else? I'd love to know what their "investigating" is. They should start investigating by trying to find some legal way of viewing his long-form birth certificate.

How would a judge issue an order? Could Obama just allow it? If he allowed it would that be very forthcoming? What have I got to hide?

But I suspect that will not be the case. I'm not the one investigating. I don't know what they should do. I would put ads in the paper seeking anyone involved in the birth. Somebody has to remember his birth. Unless there is nobody.
 
You mistake rich envy for stupidity pity. The fact that you consistently fail to refute anything I post and flee every time from my posts doesn't suggest your positions are strong. Merely your opinions are and when faced with facts you lack the maturity to reevaluate them and therefore you flee from facing any form of truth.

I keep pointing out how you benefit from wealth redistribution from the middle class and you are entirely incapable of refuting that point. In fact you ran away from it just yesterday.

Obsess much? The reason why I support lowering taxes on the rich is because they pay objectively far too much and by doing that other classes continue to demand more and more spending

are you upset that you aren't a top one percenter?
 
Inflation is not tax. Inflation is theft.

The left often supported inflation in the past. Why> Because the left represents the debtor classes while the right represents the creditor class. Inflation allows debtors to pay back money that is less valuable than that which they were lent
 
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1. Poor Americans do pay taxes.
2. The wealthiest Americans don’t carry the burden.
3. In fact, the wealthy are paying less taxes.
4. Many of the very richest pay no current income taxes at all.
5. And (surprise!) since Reagan, only the wealthy have gained significant income.
6. When it comes to corporations, the story is much the same—less taxes.
7. Some corporate tax breaks destroy jobs.
8. Republicans like taxes too.
9. Other countries do it better.

See the details for the points above at the following link:
9 Things The Rich Don't Want You To Know About Taxes
Amazing what you can do with Stats. THe proper method for determining who pays what and as what percentage is to use gross income not adjusted gross, nor adjusted gross less deficit which is what the numbers that you supplied use.

In 1993 only .87% of tax returns had gross income above 200,000 and they accounted for 16.29% of all gross income. In 2008 3.07% (3.5 times as many) had incomes above 200,000 yet they only accounted for 29.81% of the gross income.

In 1993 those making more than 200,000 paid 27.60% of all income taxes in 2008 they paid 50.09% of all income taxes.

By comparison, in 1993 those making below 50,000 paid 28.81% of all income taxes yet in 2008 they paid only 9% of all income Taxes.
In 1993 they had

1993 tax data
2008 tax data
 
Obsess much? The reason why I support lowering taxes on the rich is because they pay objectively far too much and by doing that other classes continue to demand more and more spending

are you upset that you aren't a top one percenter?

Still unable to actually address anything I write eh?

The left often supported inflation in the past.

Still incapable of supporting anything you say eh?
 
The one thing the Democrat Party doesnt want you to know..........

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That liberalism.....like all forms of statism......is a complete lie and utter fraud.
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You are comparing the entirety of the top %1, where as the most egregious issues come in to focus is at the top .5%. In Johnston’s report it is split much more precisely. If you look at the increases in the 1950 to 1980 bracket, the numbers are all over the place, 90-95, increased 97%, 99.9-99.99, only 16%.

In the 1980-2008 bracket, the scale is liner, the successive class’ increase is much greater than the previous class.

Instead of 75%, 97%, 78%, 43%...80%, it is 1%, 30%, 51%, 81%...403%.

With only a increase in wages from 1980-2008, of only $303 vs $22,000,000. Who do you think should bare the brunt of the tax increases?
 
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