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"Tea Baggers"

Boo Radley said:
The evidence seems to dispute you. Sorry.
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No it doesn't Boo. Have you been to a Tea Party? Or is what you know about the Tea Parties what has been shown to you from liberal media sources?
 
j-mac said:
so if I take out a billboard that says you're a pedophile that beats your wife, and you don't respond, trying to take your 'high road' then you are guilty of my claim?

j-mac
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I am not sure what your claim was, but if people see unchallenged information than they are more likely to believe it. Its like Michael Jackson's reputation. There were claims that he molested children, the rumors took a life of their own even though he likely never did. Jackson could have easily responded by removing the elements that allowed the rumors to continue and it would have helped his reputation tremendously. This is the same thing. A little self policing would go a long way.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Mark Tlusty, who helped organize the “Tea Party” anti-tax protest in Central Park in April, said, “We’re just getting upset at how the government is running things. We wanted to express ourselves and chose this way to do it.”

He said the billboard will be up for a month and cost about $400.
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Ok, but that's not what you said, nor is it the "tea party" as an organization that put this billboard up. It's a group called Concerned Citizens, as your own article explains rather clearly. The man they talked to said that he helped organize an tea party event in that town, so by your logic since he did that, it make the "tea party" responsible as a whole for the billboard?


j-mac
 
megaprogman said:
I am not sure what your claim was, but if people see unchallenged information than they are more likely to believe it.
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No, that's not what you claimed. you said....


Unless the tea activists explicitly disavow it, the public perception will be that they implicitly approve it. This will have a negative affect on their cause (right or wrong).
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That is the definition of flawed logic. You are saying that the claim stands unless they disavow it.....That's BS.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Ok, but that's not what you said, nor is it the "tea party" as an organization that put this billboard up. It's a group called Concerned Citizens, as your own article explains rather clearly. The man they talked to said that he helped organize an tea party event in that town, so by your logic since he did that, it make the "tea party" responsible as a whole for the billboard?


j-mac
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j-mac...how dare you bring critical thinking and presentation of FACTS into this argument!!!!
 
megaprogman said:
I am not sure what your claim was, but if people see unchallenged information than they are more likely to believe it. Its like Michael Jackson's reputation. There were claims that he molested children, the rumors took a life of their own even though he likely never did. Jackson could have easily responded by removing the elements that allowed the rumors to continue and it would have helped his reputation tremendously. This is the same thing. A little self policing would go a long way.
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Not even close.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Ok, but that's not what you said, nor is it the "tea party" as an organization that put this billboard up. It's a group called Concerned Citizens, as your own article explains rather clearly. The man they talked to said that he helped organize an tea party event in that town, so by your logic since he did that, it make the "tea party" responsible as a whole for the billboard?

j-mac
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There is no central organization to the tea party, so it becomes vulnerable to bad apples. Whether it is responsible or not is irrelevant since there is no official "tea party" but instead it is a loose collection of different groups. That means that one of those groups can easily be seen as speaking for the majority. Consequently, it provides for the ultimate defense of "well it was those guys, not these guys, therefore this claim doesn't matter".

j-mac said:
Not even close.

j-mac
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Great retort!
 
j-mac said:
Ok, but that's not what you said, nor is it the "tea party" as an organization that put this billboard up. It's a group called Concerned Citizens, as your own article explains rather clearly. The man they talked to said that he helped organize an tea party event in that town, so by your logic since he did that, it make the "tea party" responsible as a whole for the billboard?


j-mac
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Read again:

This was put up by the tea party members.
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He is the face of the Tea party in my area. I passed the sign and all those after it daily. He is the Tea Party person here. The face of the local chapter.

If he is not representing the party here, who is?
 
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j-mac said:
No, that's not what you claimed. you said....


That is the definition of flawed logic. You are saying that the claim stands unless they disavow it.....That's BS.

j-mac
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In the court of public opinion. I was looking at the public relations aspect, which often does more to shape public opinion than the actual truth. My analysis does not cover whether there is actual responsibility, which is iffy due to the loose structure of this group. Did you not notice that my second quote has the words public perception?
 
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MrVicchio said:
Oh look everyone! The RACE CARD!

It couldn't be "Cap and Trade" and the Healthcare push that brought things to a head, no no, it was those DAMNED RACIST WHITE FOLKS hatin on the Black MAN!

Seriously, I'm so ****ing sick of PC Race Baiting BULL**** like this. Anytime someone doesn't like Liberal policy, out comes the race card at some point.

Didn't vote for Obama? Racist.

Don't like Affirmative Action? Racist.

Don't like large scale Welfare? Racist!

Don't support Taxing the Rich? RACIST!!

Don't like the Healthcare bill? RACIST!!!
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i asked a legitimate question, you became hysterical. how about responding instead of ranting?

seems to me the left was accused of hating bush and everything he did just because he WAS bush. when the right called us on that, were you guys playing the "dumb" card?
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Or is it because the man did to the deficeit in 8 weeks what took Bush 8 years to do? People were getting mad before Barrack was elected. Look at the bank bailout. I didn't like Bush's spending either, but $1.2 trillion is an awefully big straw for the camel's back for a lot of people. Please don't pull the race card liblady. You're smarter than that.
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it's not the race card...good lord.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
We were just as upset over Bush's bailouts. Why are you being racist about this? I expect more from you.
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do you guys get that everyone is not like the posters on this board? don't pretend that the tea party isn't made up, on the whole, of aging white people, who are not comfortable with a young black man leading our country. i'm not saying they are all racist, but surely some are.

and while you may understand the issues, i'll bet many of them absolutely don't. good lord, just look at some their signs.

obama hasn't raised any taxes, remember.
 
Of course there are racists that go to Tea Parties. There are racists everywhere. Labeling a group of millions by pointing to the sins of a few is beyond ridiculous.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: I agree with you, however, if I were to steal your m&m's, wouldn't you be a victim to my grand larceny? :mrgreen:
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I'm not saying victims don't exist. Victims certainly exist, but they never share responsibility for the act that they are a victim of.

Are all targets of larceny victims? No.

Some are, but not all of them. If I leave my car running with the door unlocked outside of my house and someone comes along and steals it, I'm not a "victim" of the crime. I'm just an idiot.

If I leave my M&M's on my doorstep and you come along and steal them, I'm not a victim. I'm complicit in the crime.

If I invite you into my house and let you stay there without supervision and you steal my M&M's, again, I'm not a victim.

I don't see what's going on today as any different than what has gone on in the past.

The people we've let into our "homes" (hell voted into our "homes") have been stealing our "M&M's" for decades. We need to take full responsibility for allowing them into our homes and make no distinction between the lesser of two evils in this matter just becasue they steal our M&M's and put them to a use we might agree with.

The problem is now, and always has been, Federalization. This is not unique to the Democrats, nor is it unique to the Republicans. It's been a pervasive aspect of government fro quite some time. Including people like Reagan, who gets touted as a small-government conservative, but he was not actually small-federal-government conservative. He was in favor of. and implemented, Federalization in many, many ways.

And he was the least of the "evils" regarding Federalization to reside in the office of President in my lifetime.

It's not just about how much is spent and taxes. It's about authority.

Many in the tea party such as myself, know we are to blame for allowing these assholes in congress to run amok, this has never been in question.
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I agree. And you and your compatriots who do this are exactly the people I'm trying to convince to promote the strategies I've described above instead of wasting your efforts trying to change the minds of extremist liberals or stop them from denouncing, insulting, and distorting the movement.

Work instead toward implementing the strategies I've described. I believe that approach has a much greater chance of success than what I see being done.
 
P.S. I'm a tea partier and I'm in my 20s.
 
Mellie said:
Of course there are racists that go to Tea Parties. There are racists everywhere. Labeling a group of millions by pointing to the sins of a few is beyond ridiculous.
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Do you think racists would be more likely to lean towards the tea party or say code pink?
 
winston53660 said:
Do you think racists would be more likely to lean towards the tea party or say code pink?
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I'm not sure. All I know is that racism has nothing to do with either groups' motivations.
 
winston53660 said:
Do you think racists would be more likely to lean towards the tea party or say code pink?
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That depends, are they racists against "old white men" or are they racist against "young black men"? Because I've seen members of the leftwaffe use the "old white men" line in this very thread.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
That depends, are they racists against "old white men" or are they racist against "young black men"? Because I've seen members of the leftwaffe use the "old white men" line in this very thread.
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Interesting point.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
That depends, are they racists against "old white men" or are they racist against "young black men"? Because I've seen members of the leftwaffe use the "old white men" line in this very thread.
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But that's not racism in their minds. It's perfectly ok to them because "old white men" truly are villains and pale devils.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
That depends, are they racists against "old white men" or are they racist against "young black men"? Because I've seen members of the leftwaffe use the "old white men" line in this very thread.
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I cannot take your decrying of the term teabagger seriously when you keep going on about the leftwaffe. You should be more consistent.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Read again:
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I did, and before that you said and I quote:

Boo Radley said:
The name on the sign is the tea party. Put on a billboard.
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Now either point out for me where on that billboard the name 'TEA PARTY' appears, or retract it.

Simple.


j-mac
 
Mellie said:
Of course there are racists that go to Tea Parties. There are racists everywhere. Labeling a group of millions by pointing to the sins of a few is beyond ridiculous.
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and that's NOT what i did.
 
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