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Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

If they are not acting like it anymore, why the appearance of internal arguments about the feasibility of the health care bill?


Well, thank goodness that one here seems to admit that the opposition is coming from within the demo party. Too bad it takes an over the top arrogant track from the other demo's to make one see it.


j-mac
 
Well, thank goodness that one here seems to admit that the opposition is coming from within the demo party. Too bad it takes an over the top arrogant track from the other demo's to make one see it.


j-mac

So, what exactly are you arguing, again?
 
Apparently you are buying what the administration says blindly about the public option. There are some problems Obama has with the truth there I believe.


j-mac

OK. Please point me to the section of any of the bills circulating where anyone will be compelled to participate in the public option.
 
President Obama destoyed his own Healthcare plan unintentionally-

Video

I seriously cannot believe people were tricked into voting for this guy.

Too bad that Obama was wrong about his post office assertions.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...post-office-thats-always-having-problems.html

In terms of operations, it's doing rather well, especially in 2006 and 2005. They made $1.4 BILLION in profit in 2005. That's a 2% return which, while below FedEx and UPS isn't bad considering exactly what they are mailing.

Like I said in the linked thread, it's their pension and benefits that's now killing them.

USPS 2007 Annual Report - Statements of Operations
 
Too bad that Obama was wrong about his post office assertions.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...post-office-thats-always-having-problems.html

In terms of operations, it's doing rather well, especially in 2006 and 2005. They made $1.4 BILLION in profit in 2005. That's a 2% return which, while below FedEx and UPS isn't bad considering exactly what they are mailing.

Like I said in the linked thread, it's their pension and benefits that's now killing them.

USPS 2007 Annual Report - Statements of Operations
That is funny as hell.

I wish I could exclude some expenses from our P&L when calculating the company profits. I would get a much bigger bonus. ;)

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OK. Please point me to the section of any of the bills circulating where anyone will be compelled to participate in the public option.

We need only look at the stated goals of those backing these plans to know their intent.

To believe otherwise is foolish. Just as foolish as any Senator who voted for the Iraq War and later claimed they didn't believe Bush actually intended to go to war.

:doh
 
We need only look at the stated goals of those backing these plans to know their intent.

OK. Which of their stated goals would lead you to believe that the bill will force people to participate in the public option?
 
That is funny as hell.

Not considering what you post. My stuff is down right boring compared to what you type. :2wave:

I wish I could exclude some expenses from our P&L when calculating the company profits. I would get a much bigger bonus. ;)

Did I say they were actually in the black? No. What I was discussing was that their actual operations are doing far better than people think they are. Furthermore, I gave a solution to get into the black and linked to a previous post discussing how UPS did the same thing. Notice I am the only person actually looking at their financials.
 
Not considering what you post. My stuff is down right boring compared to what you type. :2wave:



Did I say they were actually in the black? No. What I was discussing was that their actual operations are doing far better than people think they are. Furthermore, I gave a solution to get into the black and linked to a previous post discussing how UPS did the same thing. Notice I am the only person actually looking at their financials.
So you are saying that if they had not lost seven billion, they would have made a profit. Gotcha. :rofl

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OK. Which of their stated goals would lead you to believe that the bill will force people to participate in the public option?


it has been posted here before. You mean you missed the clips of

Barney Frank
Jan Shakowsky
and our President all stating that they were for a single payer system, and the public option was the path to it?

You must be the only one.


j-mac
 
it has been posted here before. You mean you missed the clips of

Barney Frank
Jan Shakowsky
and our President all stating that they were for a single payer system, and the public option was the path to it?

You must be the only one.


j-mac

Obama said "If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system." Which he isn't. English must not be your first language.
 
Obama said "If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system." Which he isn't. English must not be your first language.

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

-Barack Obama-
 
“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

-Barack Obama-

I'm still waiting for something that indicates people will be compelled to participate in THIS public plan, should it pass. Not a vague quote from six years ago detailing Barack Obama's ideal health care system. I repeat: A single-payer system was Obama's preference if he was designing a system from scratch. Not what THIS bill is about.
 
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I'm still waiting for something that indicates people will be compelled to participate in THIS public plan, should it pass. Not a vague quote from six years ago detailing Barack Obama's ideal health care system.

“My commitment is to make sure that we have universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as President.

“I would hope that we could set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or fifteen years out or twenty years out.”


-Obama- 2007
 
“My commitment is to make sure that we have universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as President.

“I would hope that we could set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or fifteen years out or twenty years out.”


-Obama- 2007

And I am still waiting for something that indicates people will be required to participate in the public plan.
 
And I am still waiting for something that indicates people will be required to participate in the public plan.

It wont happen all at once.
 
It wont happen all at once.

OK, well then why not oppose it when they try to mandate participation in the public plan? Why oppose the health care reform currently being proposed, which most certainly does not mandate any such thing?
 
I see, you suffer like many from the inability to read.

Do you even know what a statement of operations is? I'm betting not.
Apparently you don't understand that the only thing that matters in the long term is the bottom line. The USPS has a yearly seven billion dollar deficit that has to be handled by having the US Taxpayers kick in.

Do you understand that a company (that is not propped up by a sugardaddy) can have a positive statement of operations and still go bankrupt.

Do you work for the government or a non-profit? I'm betting yes. :roll:

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And I am still waiting for something that indicates people will be required to participate in the public plan.

No one was required to use the post office but after private entities set up viable methods of competing with them, the government artificially lowered stamp prices to drive the private firms out of business before finally making it illegal for them to operate at all.

So as of now your not required to use it but in the end if they follow the same course of actions that they have with the post office, you'll be left with little choice.
 
OK, well then why not oppose it when they try to mandate participation in the public plan? Why oppose the health care reform currently being proposed, which most certainly does not mandate any such thing?

This plan is the first step...It needs to be stopped now.
 
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