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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK. Please point me to the section of any of the bills circulating where anyone will be compelled to participate in the public option.
    We need only look at the stated goals of those backing these plans to know their intent.

    To believe otherwise is foolish. Just as foolish as any Senator who voted for the Iraq War and later claimed they didn't believe Bush actually intended to go to war.


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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    We need only look at the stated goals of those backing these plans to know their intent.
    OK. Which of their stated goals would lead you to believe that the bill will force people to participate in the public option?
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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    That is funny as hell.
    Not considering what you post. My stuff is down right boring compared to what you type.

    I wish I could exclude some expenses from our P&L when calculating the company profits. I would get a much bigger bonus.
    Did I say they were actually in the black? No. What I was discussing was that their actual operations are doing far better than people think they are. Furthermore, I gave a solution to get into the black and linked to a previous post discussing how UPS did the same thing. Notice I am the only person actually looking at their financials.
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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not considering what you post. My stuff is down right boring compared to what you type.



    Did I say they were actually in the black? No. What I was discussing was that their actual operations are doing far better than people think they are. Furthermore, I gave a solution to get into the black and linked to a previous post discussing how UPS did the same thing. Notice I am the only person actually looking at their financials.
    So you are saying that if they had not lost seven billion, they would have made a profit. Gotcha.

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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK. Which of their stated goals would lead you to believe that the bill will force people to participate in the public option?

    it has been posted here before. You mean you missed the clips of

    Barney Frank
    Jan Shakowsky
    and our President all stating that they were for a single payer system, and the public option was the path to it?

    You must be the only one.


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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    it has been posted here before. You mean you missed the clips of

    Barney Frank
    Jan Shakowsky
    and our President all stating that they were for a single payer system, and the public option was the path to it?

    You must be the only one.


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    Obama said "If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system." Which he isn't. English must not be your first language.
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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Obama said "If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system." Which he isn't. English must not be your first language.
    I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And thats what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And thats what Id like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.

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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And thats what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And thats what Id like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.

    -Barack Obama-
    I'm still waiting for something that indicates people will be compelled to participate in THIS public plan, should it pass. Not a vague quote from six years ago detailing Barack Obama's ideal health care system. I repeat: A single-payer system was Obama's preference if he was designing a system from scratch. Not what THIS bill is about.
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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm still waiting for something that indicates people will be compelled to participate in THIS public plan, should it pass. Not a vague quote from six years ago detailing Barack Obama's ideal health care system.
    My commitment is to make sure that we have universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as President.

    I would hope that we could set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I dont think were going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. Theres going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or fifteen years out or twenty years out.


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    Re: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    My commitment is to make sure that we have universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as President.

    I would hope that we could set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I dont think were going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. Theres going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or fifteen years out or twenty years out.


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    And I am still waiting for something that indicates people will be required to participate in the public plan.
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