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Kneeling is not disrespectful, Kneeling during the National Anthem or presentation of the Flag, IS.

Robertinfremont said:
Why focus on cops when the numbers killed by blacks on blacks is staggering in scope?

This is called tilting at windmills.

Is there a rule saying blacks cops can't kill blacks criminals?
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Why focus on cops, when the problem is crime?

Seriously?
 
RetiredUSN said:
And it applies as much today.

It's you that buys into what ever narrative it is that is shoved in between your ears in order of being a good liberal teammate.
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Sorry, I don’t get your point. The BLM message was pretty simple given the events that spawned it.
 
Robertinfremont said:
That is not even relevant unless you mean killers being killed by killers etc.

Blacks spend far too much time killing each other and their families as well.
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As has every inner city group that has existed in the US and elsewhere.
 
Nickyjo said:
As has every inner city group that has existed in the US and elsewhere.
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Clear this up for me. So that is your excuse?

Are you making the case that cities both become hell holes for Democrats and crime is bound to be rampant?
 
Nickyjo said:
Sorry, I don’t get your point. The BLM message was pretty simple given the events that spawned it.
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Was it the criminal in Ferguson that grabbed the cops gun and got killed in the process?

Black Lives matter is a product of the Obama administration.
 
Irredentist said:
Why focus on cops, when the problem is crime?

Seriously?
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The staggering Truth is blacks daily kill more blacks than cops kill in several years. Sure, focus on why blacks murder blacks.
 
Irredentist said:
Actually according to your data, black people are much more likely to be shot and killed by police, given their percentage of the population.
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Show me.

• People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2020 | Statista
 
Peaceful, silent civil disobedience is one of the most American things a person can do
 
Robertinfremont said:
I happen to be old enough to recall the days delivering the newspapers to homes that were often showing photos of the mob killing the mob. But they did not say Italian lives matter.

Siegel also was killed by the mob.

To put it mildly, black lives matter is a very crude slogan. Were it otherwise, it might be much more popular.
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It’s a very effective slogan, given what we have seen from the Rodney King case to George Floyd’s. I marched with my son and his young black friend when the movement first appeared. It’s message is that a beaten or dead African-American is not just another street nigger. My son knew and his friend new that blacks, especially young black males, have to be more careful than others in dealing with the police, that black parents have what is called “The Talk” with their boys about this. I had a modest taste of that when three plain clothes cops pointed guns at me w/o identifying themselves, as I have dark skin and had been profiled as Puerto Rican. I nearly ran for the protection of uniformed cops some distance away, which could have had tragic consequences.
 
RetiredUSN said:
When blacks start loving each other and stop killing each other, people just might give credence to your nonsense.
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Well, that's a pie in the sky wish. Does that mean we can't do anything to help white people or listen to their complaints because they kill each other?
 
Robertinfremont said:
Show me.

• People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2020 | Statista
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You want me to show you your own statistics? Why? Didn't you read it, it says so in the very first paragraph.

Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Will you show us a photo where Trump humps our flag please?

Face it, you simply do not like Trump. I mean worse than that, you and the TDS Group were furious he is our president. Before he was sworn in, you were furious.


I hope none of the Democrats expect Biden were he to win would fare better than Trump.
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Don’t know how to post photos, but easy enough to find. Yes, I was opposed to Trump, because he compared my immigrant father, referring to him as a poisonous snake, that he bragged about assaulting women (I had a sister and mother), that he proposed banning Muslims, like those I worked with professionally, that he spread lies about black on white crime. What’s not to be furious about when the president, who once elected, is supposed to represent all of us, preaches fear and hatred of part of us, praises dictators and endorses war crimes and torture?
 
Robertinfremont said:
The staggering Truth is blacks daily kill more blacks than cops kill in several years. Sure, focus on why blacks murder blacks.
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That's not true, the police shoot and kill hundreds of black people every year. More than are killed daily by gun violence, even across the entire United States.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Clear this up for me. So that is your excuse?

Are you making the case that cities both become hell holes for Democrats and crime is bound to be rampant?
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No, that inner cities from the time of old London, to the Irish in New York, to Italians in Chicago and elsewhere, have had poverty accompanied by crime. Why do you think they called them Paddy Wagons? Bet if you go to the inner cities of more homogenous nations like Brazil or Mexico you will find the same.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Was it the criminal in Ferguson that grabbed the cops gun and got killed in the process?

Black Lives matter is a product of the Obama administration.
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BLM was formed after the acquittal of Travon Martin’s killer. Events occurred in Florida.
 
Integrityrespec said:
You clearly don't understand what "All Lives Matters" means. All, everyone, the whole quantity.
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Then why are blacks treated unequally as if their lives don't matter?
 
jimbo said:
The purpose of kneeling toward the flag or during the national anthem is to deliberately show disrespect.
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In your opinion only. It is because we allow this in America that the flag represents our greatness
 
Integrityrespec said:
You nor those kneeling are playing anyone. You are creating a larger problem in that you cannot gain support to help fix a problem. The only ones getting played are those that don't see their actions are counter productive to their cause. You don't need opponents you need allies.
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Dude, you really are not the sharpest knife in the drawer if you thought I was claiming to be playing you, you are being played by trump, good grief..……...
 
Integrityrespec said:
For those of you who don't think kneeling is disrespectful, you are correct. However, if you are doing it during the National Anthem or the presentation of the Flag, it is very disrespectful. ...

When you choose the wrong time, the wrong place or the wrong form of expression to voice your protest, you lose your audience because your argument is over shadowed by your insult to the very country that allows you free speech and freedom of expression. You have insulted and disrespected the nation, the flag and all those that support it.
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Agreed.

And here are three additional issues I have with professional athletes.

First, I'm tuning in to watch the game and everything traditionally associated with it. I'm watching the pregame interviews, the warmups, the flag presentation with the national anthem, the opening pitch, kickoff, or tipoff, the game itself, the half time, the exciting finish, the post game interviews with the players .. .. and other than the commercials which we're all trained to just tune out, the only thing I want to see the announcers, players, coaches, officials et al doing is the game, the game I tuned in to watch. And, of course, the last thing I want to see or feel is anything that disrespects the game or America or really anything at all, disrespect that's unethical and has nothing to do with football, baseball, basketball, or whatever sport I actually was intending to see. I shouldn't have to be insulted by disrespectful whiny little kneelers as a "price" to pay for watching a professional sporting event.

My second point. The camera and microphone is placed in front of these sports figures for no reason but that they are top-tier sports figures. It's their job to play the game and that's the only thing they should be doing on the television that broadcasts their game. But suddenly, these prima donnas think they can just stop working their job, right in the middle of it, and take a break in front of the crowd, TV audience, God and everybody and express their political viewpoint as if that's perfectly okay?! Why hell, if I did the same thing at my work, and others I know have told me the same thing .. we'd all get fired! You don't ethically get to suddenly stop working there at your desk or on the construction site or in the clean lab or at the checkout stand, whereever you're working, and drop what you're doing, ignore all your coworkers and customers and everyone, and start demonstrating your political ideology! If you did that, you'd get justly criticized and likely fired! But, no, not these prima donnas, they get to break all the ethical rules.

And my third point. Just who died and made these people experts on political issues in their field? No one! These are sports figures, not political scientists! Who gives a damn about what they think politically? Especially during a game! They're veritable dumb bunnies, all of them, when it comes to socioeconomics and geopolitics and associated issues! I don't want to have to watch or hear anything from these topically intellectual midgets on any particular especially controversial political subject! I want to hear from qualified intelligent people on their specialty expertise when it comes to socioeconomics and geopolitics and related subjects, that's who I want to hear from.

Bottom line: Sports figures had the camera and microphone placed in front of them because they earned it in their sport. If they want to make a political point they can go out onto the sidewalk and demonstrate on their own free time, and not on the job, and especially not on a job where I tuned in to watch them do their expected work performance!
 
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jotathought said:
How are blacks treated unequally? Do you have some specific examples?
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I don't think they ever have been.

Blacks have been excluded from the beginning. From reconstruction, to Jim Crowe, to the New Deal, to Brown v BoE, to Civil Rights, to Hollywod, to BLM....blacks have had to fight and die for every morsel of a moral right just to exist in this country...and they're still treated like foreigners in their own country. IE:"Kneeling is unpatriotic, go back to Africa, BLM are commies and terrorists, they want to destroy white society, all lives matter, confederate glorification and heritage, but whatabout Chicago, police brutality is justified," and on and on and on...without once trying to understand why they're protesting. The lack of white empathy is as astounding as it is tragic.


From segregated drinking fountains, diners, hotels, theaters....to red lining, inflated borrowing rates, no inheritable wealth, white flight to the suburbs/no blacks allowed...to low quality education, less job opportunities, unfair wages, unaffordable housing, denial of voting rights, lack of access to healthy food, no health insurance, ghetto housing/industrial waste, poorer quality of healthcare, high mortality rate...and then add police brutality on top of it all. Frankly, I amazed at their [blacks] patience and putting up with it for this long.
 
Ontologuy said:
Agreed.

And here are three additional issues I have with professional athletes.

First, I'm tuning in to watch the game and everything traditionally associated with it. I'm watching the pregame interviews, the warmups, the flag presentation with the national anthem, the opening pitch, kickoff, or tipoff, the game itself, the half time, the exciting finish, the post game interviews with the players .. .. and other than the commercials which we're all trained to just tune out, the only thing I want to see the announcers, players, coaches, officials et al doing is the game, the game I tuned in to watch. And, of course, the last thing I want to see or feel is anything that disrespects the game or America or really anything at all, disrespect that's unethical and has nothing to do with football, baseball, basketball, or whatever sport I actually was intending to see. I shouldn't have to be insulted by disrespectful whiny little kneelers as a "price" to pay for watching a professional sporting event.

My second point. The camera and microphone is placed in front of these sports figures for no reason but that they are top-tier sports figures. It's their job to play the game and that's the only thing they should be doing on the television that broadcasts their game. But suddenly, these prima donnas think they can just stop working their job, right in the middle of it, and take a break in front of the crowd, TV audience, God and everybody and express their political viewpoint as if that's perfectly okay?! Why hell, if I did the same thing at my work, and others I know have told me the same thing .. we'd all get fired! You don't ethically get to suddenly stop working there at your desk or on the construction site or in the clean lab or at the checkout stand, whereever you're working, and drop what you're doing, ignore all your coworkers and customers and everyone, and start demonstrating your political ideology! If you did that, you'd get justly criticized and likely fired! But, no, not these prima donnas, they get to break all the ethical rules.

And my third point. Just who died and made these people experts on political issues in their field? No one! These are sports figures, not political scientists! Who gives a damn about what they think politically? Especially during a game! They're veritable dumb bunnies, all of them, when it comes to socioeconomics and geopolitics and associated issues! I don't want to have to watch or hear anything from these topically intellectual midgets on any particular especially controversial political subject! I want to hear from qualified intelligent people on their specialty expertise when it comes to socioeconomics and geopolitics and related subjects, that's who I want to hear from.

Bottom line: Sports figures had the camera and microphone placed in front of them because they earned it in their sport. If they want to make a political point they can go out onto the sidewalk and demonstrate on their own free time, and not on the job, and especially not on a job where I tuned in to watch them do their expected work performance!
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Absolutely true.
 
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