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Kneeling is not disrespectful, Kneeling during the National Anthem or presentation of the Flag, IS.

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For those of you who don't think kneeling is disrespectful, you are correct. However, if you are doing it during the National Anthem or the presentation of the Flag, it is very disrespectful. It's all about the common perception among patriotic Americans. Taking a knee during the National Anthem or during the presentation of the colors is very disrespectful. You may say it's your opinion that it isn't disrespectful or isn't meant to be disrespectful, but that is just wrong. Your personal opinion designed to make yourself feel good doesn't outweigh what millions believe about your symbol of disrespect. Soldiers, parents of soldiers, police officers, fire fighters, and many others who have sacrificed their lives or limbs for that symbol of America see it as the strongest sign of disrespect. Let me put it into a little clearer context.
Equate it to BLM protesters who get angry because many will not honor BLM and claim ALM (All Lives Matter). Here's an even more hard hitting example. If a person were to use the "N" word in reference to black Americans and then tell black Americans or any American that he/she doesn't mean it in a disrespectful manner, would that be acceptable? When that word is used in reference to blacks it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter what the individual using the term intends; it is disrespectful and the people who use the word to refer to black Americans are just wrong. Now, does the symbolism of kneeling during the National Anthem or presentation of colors have more relevance to you? Well, the kneeling of professional athletes during the National Anthem is disturbing to millions of Americas who cherish the Flag and the country it represents. Your protesting it cannot mean anything but disrespect because of when you choose to do it.

When you choose the wrong time, the wrong place or the wrong form of expression to voice your protest, you lose your audience because your argument is over shadowed by your insult to the very country that allows you free speech and freedom of expression. You have insulted and disrespected the nation, the flag and all those that support it.
 
Integrityrespec said:
For those of you who don't think kneeling is disrespectful, you are correct. However, if you are doing it during the National Anthem or the presentation of the Flag, it is very disrespectful. It's all about the common perception among patriotic Americans. Taking a knee during the National Anthem or during the presentation of the colors is very disrespectful. You may say it's your opinion that it isn't disrespectful or isn't meant to be disrespectful, but that is just wrong. Your personal opinion designed to make yourself feel good doesn't outweigh what millions believe about your symbol of disrespect. Soldiers, parents of soldiers, police officers, fire fighters, and many others who have sacrificed their lives or limbs for that symbol of America see it as the strongest sign of disrespect. Let me put it into a little clearer context.
Equate it to BLM protesters who get angry because many will not honor BLM and claim ALM (All Lives Matter). Here's an even more hard hitting example. If a person were to use the "N" word in reference to black Americans and then tell black Americans or any American that he/she doesn't mean it in a disrespectful manner, would that be acceptable? When that word is used in reference to blacks it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter what the individual using the term intends; it is disrespectful and the people who use the word to refer to black Americans are just wrong. Now, does the symbolism of kneeling during the National Anthem or presentation of colors have more relevance to you? Well, the kneeling of professional athletes during the National Anthem is disturbing to millions of Americas who cherish the Flag and the country it represents. Your protesting it cannot mean anything but disrespect because of when you choose to do it.

When you choose the wrong time, the wrong place or the wrong form of expression to voice your protest, you lose your audience because your argument is over shadowed by your insult to the very country that allows you free speech and freedom of expression. You have insulted and disrespected the nation, the flag and all those that support it.
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One more time...all lives don't matter until black lives matter.
 
Integrityrespec said:
For those of you who don't think kneeling is disrespectful, you are correct. However, if you are doing it during the National Anthem or the presentation of the Flag, it is very disrespectful. It's all about the common perception among patriotic Americans. Taking a knee during the National Anthem or during the presentation of the colors is very disrespectful. You may say it's your opinion that it isn't disrespectful or isn't meant to be disrespectful, but that is just wrong. Your personal opinion designed to make yourself feel good doesn't outweigh what millions believe about your symbol of disrespect. Soldiers, parents of soldiers, police officers, fire fighters, and many others who have sacrificed their lives or limbs for that symbol of America see it as the strongest sign of disrespect. Let me put it into a little clearer context.
Equate it to BLM protesters who get angry because many will not honor BLM and claim ALM (All Lives Matter). Here's an even more hard hitting example. If a person were to use the "N" word in reference to black Americans and then tell black Americans or any American that he/she doesn't mean it in a disrespectful manner, would that be acceptable? When that word is used in reference to blacks it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter what the individual using the term intends; it is disrespectful and the people who use the word to refer to black Americans are just wrong. Now, does the symbolism of kneeling during the National Anthem or presentation of colors have more relevance to you? Well, the kneeling of professional athletes during the National Anthem is disturbing to millions of Americas who cherish the Flag and the country it represents. Your protesting it cannot mean anything but disrespect because of when you choose to do it.

When you choose the wrong time, the wrong place or the wrong form of expression to voice your protest, you lose your audience because your argument is over shadowed by your insult to the very country that allows you free speech and freedom of expression. You have insulted and disrespected the nation, the flag and all those that support it.
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I bet you have No Idea where Kaepernick got the idea to use Knelling......pssst it is Not a sign of disrespect, Donald.
 
mrjurrs said:
One more time...all lives don't matter until black lives matter.
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One more time, Black lives don't matter more than any other lives. They matter EQUALLY in the moral sense.

The problem with Black Lives Matter is that they are so narrowly focused on a relatively small set of incidents, i.e. the rare instances of White cops killing Black citizens. So much so that they ignore the problems in the Black Community itself when it comes to ALL lives mattering.

Otherwise, they would also focus on the problems we have with so much Black on Black murder and mayhem in our own Community.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
When blacks start loving each other and stop killing each other, people just might give credence to your nonsense.
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Yeah, they said that about Italians, Irish, etc. A famous Jewish gangster (Seigel?) said, "we only kill each other." But you are free to continue to pretend you miss the point of the slogan.
 
Integrityrespec said:
For those of you who don't think kneeling is disrespectful, you are correct. However, if you are doing it during the National Anthem or the presentation of the Flag, it is very disrespectful. It's all about the common perception among patriotic Americans. Taking a knee during the National Anthem or during the presentation of the colors is very disrespectful. You may say it's your opinion that it isn't disrespectful or isn't meant to be disrespectful, but that is just wrong. Your personal opinion designed to make yourself feel good doesn't outweigh what millions believe about your symbol of disrespect. Soldiers, parents of soldiers, police officers, fire fighters, and many others who have sacrificed their lives or limbs for that symbol of America see it as the strongest sign of disrespect. Let me put it into a little clearer context.
Equate it to BLM protesters who get angry because many will not honor BLM and claim ALM (All Lives Matter). Here's an even more hard hitting example. If a person were to use the "N" word in reference to black Americans and then tell black Americans or any American that he/she doesn't mean it in a disrespectful manner, would that be acceptable? When that word is used in reference to blacks it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter what the individual using the term intends; it is disrespectful and the people who use the word to refer to black Americans are just wrong. Now, does the symbolism of kneeling during the National Anthem or presentation of colors have more relevance to you? Well, the kneeling of professional athletes during the National Anthem is disturbing to millions of Americas who cherish the Flag and the country it represents. Your protesting it cannot mean anything but disrespect because of when you choose to do it.

When you choose the wrong time, the wrong place or the wrong form of expression to voice your protest, you lose your audience because your argument is over shadowed by your insult to the very country that allows you free speech and freedom of expression. You have insulted and disrespected the nation, the flag and all those that support it.
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Good points. I stand and take my hat off at ball games not out of respect for a piece of cloth, but out of respect for people who honor that flag. But I see people kneeling as a continuance of the pushback against the "America can do no wrong" kind of patriotism that surfaced in the 1960s that equated criticism of the war or even pro-civil rights work with disloyalty. That immature approach (one GOP politician said he divided people into "liberals and Americans") led to immature reactions. So here we are.

Frankly, I find myself more offended by Trump's humping the flag on stage than by Colin K's taking a knee.
 
Captain Adverse said:
One more time, Black lives don't matter more than any other lives. They matter EQUALLY in the moral sense.

The problem with Black Lives Matter is that they are so narrowly focused on a relatively small set of incidents, i.e. the rare instances of White cops killing Black citizens. So much so that they ignore the problems in the Black Community itself when it comes to ALL lives mattering.

Otherwise, they would also focus on the problems we have with so much Black on Black murder and mayhem in our own Community.
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I don't get this logic, that we're not allowed to care about police brutality, until we solve crime in black communities?

You mind telling me how the hell we're supposed to solve black on black crime, without trust between black communities and police departments?

I'm all ears.
 
Irredentist said:
I don't get this logic, that we're not allowed to care about police brutality, until we solve crime in black communities?

You mind telling me how the hell we're supposed to solve black on black crime, without trust between black communities and police departments?

I'm all ears.
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That's your misinterpretation of my response. It also opens the doors to all sort of other separate arguments.

I'll keep to the point raised in the OP, which is ALL lives do matter. That our Black lives are more at risk from MANY, MANY other preventable issues. Much more so than those that are taken from those RARE (however despicable) situations when a White police officer wrongly kills one of us.
 
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Integrityrespec said:
For those of you who don't think kneeling is disrespectful, you are correct. However, if you are doing it during the National Anthem or the presentation of the Flag, it is very disrespectful. It's all about the common perception among patriotic Americans. Taking a knee during the National Anthem or during the presentation of the colors is very disrespectful. You may say it's your opinion that it isn't disrespectful or isn't meant to be disrespectful, but that is just wrong. Your personal opinion designed to make yourself feel good doesn't outweigh what millions believe about your symbol of disrespect. Soldiers, parents of soldiers, police officers, fire fighters, and many others who have sacrificed their lives or limbs for that symbol of America see it as the strongest sign of disrespect. Let me put it into a little clearer context.
Equate it to BLM protesters who get angry because many will not honor BLM and claim ALM (All Lives Matter). Here's an even more hard hitting example. If a person were to use the "N" word in reference to black Americans and then tell black Americans or any American that he/she doesn't mean it in a disrespectful manner, would that be acceptable? When that word is used in reference to blacks it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter what the individual using the term intends; it is disrespectful and the people who use the word to refer to black Americans are just wrong. Now, does the symbolism of kneeling during the National Anthem or presentation of colors have more relevance to you? Well, the kneeling of professional athletes during the National Anthem is disturbing to millions of Americas who cherish the Flag and the country it represents. Your protesting it cannot mean anything but disrespect because of when you choose to do it.

When you choose the wrong time, the wrong place or the wrong form of expression to voice your protest, you lose your audience because your argument is over shadowed by your insult to the very country that allows you free speech and freedom of expression. You have insulted and disrespected the nation, the flag and all those that support it.
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Those protesting in a way that does not harm humans or animals, cajole us to further represent our constitution, NO MATTER how the ****, is patriotic. Even if it is stupid, lame seeming, not your bag, NONPC.
 
Integrityrespec said:
For those of you who don't think kneeling is disrespectful, you are correct. However, if you are doing it during the National Anthem or the presentation of the Flag, it is very disrespectful. It's all about the common perception among patriotic Americans. Taking a knee during the National Anthem or during the presentation of the colors is very disrespectful. You may say it's your opinion that it isn't disrespectful or isn't meant to be disrespectful, but that is just wrong. Your personal opinion designed to make yourself feel good doesn't outweigh what millions believe about your symbol of disrespect. Soldiers, parents of soldiers, police officers, fire fighters, and many others who have sacrificed their lives or limbs for that symbol of America see it as the strongest sign of disrespect. Let me put it into a little clearer context.
Equate it to BLM protesters who get angry because many will not honor BLM and claim ALM (All Lives Matter). Here's an even more hard hitting example. If a person were to use the "N" word in reference to black Americans and then tell black Americans or any American that he/she doesn't mean it in a disrespectful manner, would that be acceptable? When that word is used in reference to blacks it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter what the individual using the term intends; it is disrespectful and the people who use the word to refer to black Americans are just wrong. Now, does the symbolism of kneeling during the National Anthem or presentation of colors have more relevance to you? Well, the kneeling of professional athletes during the National Anthem is disturbing to millions of Americas who cherish the Flag and the country it represents. Your protesting it cannot mean anything but disrespect because of when you choose to do it.

When you choose the wrong time, the wrong place or the wrong form of expression to voice your protest, you lose your audience because your argument is over shadowed by your insult to the very country that allows you free speech and freedom of expression. You have insulted and disrespected the nation, the flag and all those that support it.
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Those protesting in a way that does not harm humans or animals, to cajole us to further represent our constitution, NO MATTER how the ****, is patriotic. Even if it is stupid, lame seeming, not your bag, NONPC.
 
Guyzilla said:
Those protesting in a way that does not harm humans or animals, to cajole us to further represent our constitution, NO MATTER how the ****, is patriotic. Even if it is stupid, lame seeming, not your bag, NONPC.
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Free speech can often be inflammatory or offensive, and that's a great thing even if one doesn't agree with the message. Although, I would hope the same response given to those kneeling during the National Anthem will also be given to those standing during the "black national anthem."
 
Captain Adverse said:
That's your misinterpretation of my response. It also opens the doors to all sort of other separate arguments.

I'll keep to the point raised in the OP, which is ALL lives do matter. That our Black lives are more at risk from MANY, MANY other preventable issues. Much more so than those are taken from those RARE (however despicable) situations when a White police officer kills one of us.
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You're the one who brought up black on black crime, not me. A typical response to try and deflect from police brutality.

I don't see that the race of the cop particularly matters. Black officers have certainly been guilty of excessive force. The problem isn't white officers. It's an entire system of authoritarian policing, that is harmful to all of us, not just black people.

Black citizens unjustly killed by the police is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
mrjurrs said:
One more time...all lives don't matter until black lives matter.
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You clearly don't understand what "All Lives Matters" means. All, everyone, the whole quantity.
 
Casper said:
I bet you have No Idea where Kaepernick got the idea to use Knelling......pssst it is Not a sign of disrespect, Donald.
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It's a sign of disrespect when the people see is as a sign of disrespect. And they do. So it matters not what Kaepernick thinks.
 
Integrityrespec said:
It's a sign of disrespect when the people see is as a sign of disrespect. And they do. So it matters not what Kaepernick thinks.
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So you don't know. It was only seen as a sign of disrespect by his sheep when the orange one got all Karen about it.
 
Nickyjo said:
Yeah, they said that about Italians, Irish, etc. A famous Jewish gangster (Seigel?) said, "we only kill each other." But you are free to continue to pretend you miss the point of the slogan.
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And it applies as much today.

It's you that buys into what ever narrative it is that is shoved in between your ears in order of being a good liberal teammate.
 
RetiredUSN said:
When blacks start loving each other and stop killing each other, people just might give credence to your nonsense.
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2,870 blacks killed, 2570 murder by other blacks, 243 by whites
3,499 whites killed, 2854 by other whites, 533 by blacks
Every year since 2017 whites are killed by cops at a rate of 2 to 1 over blacks. That's right twice as many whites are killed by cops as blacks.
Blacks are 13% of the population and commit 39% of all violent crime.

Any wrongful deaths are a terrible thing but the numbers indicate a larger problem within the black community that needs to be addressed and a solution found.
 
Nickyjo said:
Yeah, they said that about Italians, Irish, etc. A famous Jewish gangster (Seigel?) said, "we only kill each other." But you are free to continue to pretend you miss the point of the slogan.
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It's less the slogun than the organization that is founded by Marxist and doesn't appear to care about any black lives other than those killed by cops. I think you are missing the point.
 
All this kneeling has only caused more animosity in the country, not less.

A lot of those kneelers are doing so because they are afraid of what will happen to them if they don't.

As another poster in this thread implied, everyone will be expected to STAND for the Black National Anthem. Or else!

Unlikely as it is, if President Trump is reelected, maybe one reason will be that voters (including me) were utterly disgusted by all the chaos and anarchy this year. And especially since the perps did not have the decency to defer their actions until the nation could get a handle on this COVID-19 tragedy.
 
Irredentist said:
I don't get this logic, that we're not allowed to care about police brutality, until we solve crime in black communities?

You mind telling me how the hell we're supposed to solve black on black crime, without trust between black communities and police departments?

I'm all ears.
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The exaggeration of cop killing blacks is a very small portion of the problem in black communities. We don't see black leaders raising the black on black crime issue very often and we don't see democrats raising it either. Nobody doesn't think wrongful police killiings should not be addressed and prosecuted if evidence proves murder. On the other hand every police shooting of a black american is not murder and and the high number of incidence of crime by blacks brings them more often into contact with police in commission of a crime and in a possible dangerous situation.
 
jotathought said:
Free speech can often be inflammatory or offensive, and that's a great thing even if one doesn't agree with the message. Although, I would hope the same response given to those kneeling during the National Anthem will also be given to those standing during the "black national anthem."
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There is no black national anthem because there is no black nation. The national anthem represents the country, all of the country what it stands for.
 
Irredentist said:
You're the one who brought up black on black crime, not me. A typical response to try and deflect from police brutality.

I don't see that the race of the cop particularly matters. Black officers have certainly been guilty of excessive force. The problem isn't white officers. It's an entire system of authoritarian policing, that is harmful to all of us, not just black people.

Black citizens unjustly killed by the police is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Exaggertating the number of abuse is not helping. Cops are guilty of abuse agains whites, hispanics and other races as well. It's bad cops and not all cops and not even close to all cops.
 
Casper said:
So you don't know. It was only seen as a sign of disrespect by his sheep when the orange one got all Karen about it.
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Here again you just don't know the facts. Long before the "orange one" made it an issue people were complaining about the kneeling at games. They are still complaining.
 
Integrityrespec said:
The exaggeration of cop killing blacks is a very small portion of the problem in black communities. We don't see black leaders raising the black on black crime issue very often and we don't see democrats raising it either. Nobody doesn't think wrongful police killiings should not be addressed and prosecuted if evidence proves murder. On the other hand every police shooting of a black american is not murder and and the high number of incidence of crime by blacks brings them more often into contact with police in commission of a crime and in a possible dangerous situation.
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Police killing black people is not the root of the problem, it is a symptom. The true problem is the overly aggressive and authoritarian nature of American policing. Black communities may receive the worst of this, but they are far from the only victims. Police brutality has affected people of all races, and is a consistent issue with American law enforcement, that should be addressed.
 
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