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If Trump loses, will most conservatives declare him a RINO in a year or two?

Yes_Minister said:
So Trump is not a conservative, but his supporters are, why do they support him then?

What is Trump's support among the GOP base at the moment, like over 90%?
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Read what I wrote again. I can't explain it any better for those of you who refuse to listen.

Btw, 90% of the GOP aren't voting for him because he's a conservative or a Republican, though you will never get that, will ya? You refuse to understand that Trump is against the usual status quo DC do business as usual Republicans. Why do you think Trump beat them in the primaries?
 
trixare4kids said:
Trump is not a conservative. He is a populist who tapped into the disgust of those who are fed up with the status quo.
Conservatives, Republicans and Independents tapped into that energy. They did not vote for him because he is a conservative. They voted for him because they didn't believe the crap the usual crowd from both sides of the fence was trying to sell to them.
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So they put someone unqualified into office to prove a point? It seems like the GOP base will always fall for the outsider con.
 
trixare4kids said:
Read what I wrote again. I can't explain it any better for those of you who refuse to listen.
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No offense, but this seems like a way to avoid personal responsibility if he loses, an easy for them to wash their hands of him when he is no longer useful, just like they did with George W. Bush, he went from Golden Boy to RINO after he was no longer useful.
 
the Republicans will have trouble topping themselves with a bigger idiot next time around. i have to admit, though, a lot of people said the same thing after W.
 
trixare4kids said:
If Trump loses, he loses. He is not a conservative, and IMO, he isn't really a Republican so that renders you point rather moot.
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LOL if Trump isn't really a Republican, why did REPUBLICANS CHOOSE to have him represent them as the REPUBLICAN NOMINEE for president? You really are showing that Republicans are ****ing morons then.

That's like Choosing an abortion advocate to be the Catholic Church representative to the US.
 
gdgyva said:
please list the conservatives on this site that think Trump is a conservative

i dont think there will be ANYONE on that list
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You're talking to people who didn't even know he was a New York democrat during he 90s. I'd be surprised if most of them could even describe their political leans coherently at this point.
 
Bullseye said:
If Biden loses with more liberals declare him senile in a couple of years? Or we they do it whether he wins or not? :lamo
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They'll spend several months destroying their own cities again and then another 4 years frothing at the mouth, declaring that the election was illegitimate.
 
Oborosen said:
You're talking to people who didn't even know he was a New York democrat during he 90s. I'd be surprised if most of them could even describe their political leans coherently at this point.
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So what? Reagan was a Democrat at one point and now he is the patron saint of Republicans. Trump being a Democrat in the 90s does not reflect his current ideological outlook.
 
Yes_Minister said:
I don't like Hillary Clinton, she was a neoliberal and war hawk and her husband helped make the Democrats a center-right party back in the 90s.
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Good move not to like her.

Was George W. Bush a conservative?
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No.

He seems to be cut from the same cloth as a Trump, a rich fool who would be a nobody if not for his dad,
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Don't agree. Trump's dad did not influence him politically the way that Geo. W's living pops did. Politics are the Bush family's life sport.

was unqualified to be President, claimed to be an outsider to win the nomination and then screwed up a bunch as President, the conservatives slavish praised Bush when he was in office and then they declared him a RINO.
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The fiscal conservatives were not wrong to peg W. as a RINO, however he was a religious conservative, and imo, that was the extent of his conservativity. He was a neocon war hawking idiot for going into Iraq, and I shall hold him accountable as many other conservatives do. Trump shares that sentiment though imo, Trump is not a conservative.

Will Trump suffer the same fate and who is the next rich outsider fail son will the GOP pick to screw up everything?
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History might be kinder to Trump than his hideous haters. As brash as he is, IMO, he loves this country and proves it by putting our interests first.
 
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Peter said:
I think there's going to be a total split between traditional fiscal Republicans and Trump Republicans.
Both sides will declare the other to be traitors to Republicanism and a political civil war will start and be a total omnishambles.
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Deja Vu Tea Party days; dodo birds?

Possibly.
 
Acadia said:
Bingo. They've no clue about Trump's politics.
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They don't.

After four years, they haven't a clue as to why he beat 16 DC CAREER politicians.

I'll bold it, and they still won't find the clue behind door number three.
 
trixare4kids said:
Good move not to like her.


No.



Don't agree. Trump's dad did not influence him politically the way that Geo. W's living pops did. Politics are the Bush family's life sport.
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Hillary was a neoliberal tool, I only like real leftists like Bernie or AOC.

So was the GOP base foolish to buy into Bush's outsider story?

Also, Trump is a billionaire, he gave money all sorts of politicians and hobnobbed with them, I have seen pictures of him at a Clinton wedding, he was totally connected, most of the billionaires are.

You want a real outsider, get a bus driver, not the son of George H. Bush or Fred Trump.


trixare4kids said:
The fiscal conservatives were not wrong to peg W. as a RINO, however he was a religious conservative, and imo, that was the extent of his conservativity. He was a neocon war hawking idiot for going into Iraq, and I shall hold him accountable as many other conservatives do. Trump shares that sentiment though imo, Trump is not a conservative.
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Could have fooled me back in the 2000s, when Conservative media stars like Hannity and Limbaugh were constantly singing his praises and the GOP base said anyone who didn't support the Iraq war was UnAmerican.

If Bush and Trump are not conservatives, who is a conservative at this point? It comes off as an increasing meaningless label that can be given or taken away based on political convenience. Because conservatives have greatly exalted both those people at different times, it just seems like conservatives will no longer take responsibility for the people they exalted when it is no longer convenient for them to do so.


trixare4kids said:
History might be kinder to Trump than his hideous haters. As brash as he is, IMO, he loves this country and proves it by putting our interests first.
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Didn't all the GOP spin doctors say W. Bush loved his country too?

Anyone who thinks Trump loves his country over money and power is naive.
 
Praxas said:
LOL if Trump isn't really a Republican, why did REPUBLICANS CHOOSE to have him represent them as the REPUBLICAN NOMINEE for president? You really are showing that Republicans are ****ing morons then.

That's like Choosing an abortion advocate to be the Catholic Church representative to the US.
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Because they wouldn't have been reelected by their constituents unless they jumped on the Trump train. You don't think that most of the Republicans in congress love Trump, do you? The PEOPLE decided this for them.
C'mon. This is elementary stuff, think.
 
trixare4kids said:
Because they wouldn't have been reelected by their constituents unless they jumped on the Trump train. You don't think that most of the Republicans in congress love Trump, do you? The PEOPLE decided this for them.
C'mon. This is elementary stuff, think.
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so PEOPLE DO think Trump is a Republican. Thank you for proving my point. Republicans are ****ing morons.
 
Yes_Minister said:
If Trump loses, will most conservatives declare him a RINO in a year or two?
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He's already a RINO, and I have no problem with that. If becoming a RINO was what it took to field a candidate that beat Clinton, good on him. I would vote for a rock before Hilarity.
 
smallvoice said:
He's already a RINO, and I have no problem with that. If becoming a RINO was what it took to field a candidate that beat Clinton, good on him. I would vote for a rock before Hilarity.
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Fair enough, I think Hillary lost in big part due to her general unpopularity, loathed by the Right, disliked by the left and the swing voters, she had no real base of support. I do not think Biden is as loathed, even though I do not care for him much.

But frankly, the fact that the GOP made Trump the nominee, means they should take of ownership of him and his decisions, that is what personal responsibility is. No cop-outs.
 
bearpoker said:
So you're already disowning Trump? Have you let the 80+% of the Republican Party in on this? I'm sure they'll be surprised to learn that he's not a Republican. No but sore can compare with the Republican 8 year but sore over Obama as president.
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Where have you been? I know the hills of Tennessee are remote, but surely you know better than that.
 
bearpoker said:
They might. In a year or two none of them will admit to ever having voted for him. They did the same thing with Nixon. After he left office, you couldn't find a Nixon voter anywhere.
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Same thing happened more recently with Bush Jr.
 
Yes_Minister said:
So Trump is not a conservative, but his supporters are, why do they support him then?

What is Trump's support among the GOP base at the moment, like over 90%?
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They really hate liberals. So, yes.
 
Yes_Minister said:
So they put someone unqualified into office to prove a point? It seems like the GOP base will always fall for the outsider con.
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Fall for? Hell, we had to wade through 16 of the Status Quo types to get him. No falling involved.
 
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