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Liberal writers, activists sign open letter calling to end 'cancel culture'

maxparrish said:
It doesn't. A single statement read from a piece of paper, while Biden returns to the bunker, is as sincere as Hillary and Obama once claiming they were against gay marriage.
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Your opinion noted.

Hillary lost to the worst human being on earth. Because she wasn't seen as much better and part of the establishment. I am glad she didn't win. But also hate that tRUMP was the result.
Experiment failed. Kind of.

I am quite positive, Biden isn't for violence and rioting. Only tRUMP wants that. That's why he incites it.

But I won't count tRUMP out, he's like the corona virus. Just won't go away. But a lot of 3rd party voters and those who didn't vote 4 yrs ago because of the stink of the 2 candidates, will vote this time. And most of them, won't vote tRUMP. IMO.
 
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dairyair said:
I am quite positive, Biden isn't for violence and rioting. Only tRUMP wants that. That's why he incites it.
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???? I haven't seen any violence from the right. Only as always, exclusively from the left.
 
X Factor said:


Liberal writers, activists sign open letter calling to end '''cancel culture''' | Fox News

There’s something rather satisfying about this. These same people sit back and applaud the destruction of anything they disagree with or are offended by (I thought there was no right to not be offended) then I cannot be too bothered to care when the mob comes for Harry Potter.
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Forwarded to my federal elected senators and congressman to see if they'd sign on to the letter or not. Rather doubt it, as it requires taking a stand. :shrug:
 
truthatallcost said:
Right, and mainstream liberals haven't been flirting and playing footsies under the table with the extreme left at the helm of cancel culture such as Antifa, BLM, and the like. Before you come back with something predictable, BLM most definitely ARE a part of cancel culture.
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I doubt liberals are going to take the advice from a nazi.
 
Nobody has a right to a platform :/
 
cpwill said:
Assuming you are honestly mis-reading, I'll explain: there is an old joking reference about how Nobody-Wants-To-Be-The-First-Guy-Who-Stops-Applauding-Stalin (after one of his speeches). I suppose nowadays we would re-write the joke about Kim Jung Un.

The point was that, in that world, insufficient enthusiasm would cause the Revolution to turn on you (and oh how swiftly and lethally it could do so), and so everyone was eager to trip over themselves to make sure that at least they never seemed to be the one who was least enthusiastic for whatever nutbaggery was going on.

My point here in this thread was that, if these folks are willing to incur the wrath of the Jacobins by taking a stand for a principle that I share with them (namely: the classic liberal ideal of valuing a free exchange of ideas), then I consider that a good thing. They are willing to stop applauding when their own side goes too far and abandons important principles. Good for them.
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Actually people are starting to learn the lessons of Karl Popper. Nobody has to be inclusive of hate to be tolerance and inclusive, being inclusive towards ideologies of hate. The hysterics of comparing cancel culture to the french and russian revolution is silly. The paradox of tolerance is a warning to people who desire an open and free society.
 
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Basically you dont have to listen to the ****er carlsons of the world when they try to goad you with “so much for the tolerant left” smarter people than him solved this dilema before he was even a baby.
 
Extremely disappointing to see Noam Chomsky and Gloria Steinem siding with bigots. The only explanation I can come up with is that they're old and out of touch and just don't get it.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Extremely disappointing to see Noam Chomsky and Gloria Steinem siding with bigots. The only explanation I can come up with is that they're old and out of touch and just don't get it.
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Eh dont think chomsky is personally siding with them. I strongly disagree with this but eh think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Gloria i know was a terf, dunno if she still is but terfs will happily side with bigots and even fash just to get at trans people.
 
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Trust wild arsed far right to put so much credence in the ravings of the wild arsed far left so they can reinforce their stereotypes of their political enemies. the VAST majority of citizens object to out of control cancel culture.

OTOH, a little prudent pruning of the culture to eliminate scumbag lowlife fascist nazis and totalitarian commies everywhere they are to be found on this planet, would be a really good thing.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Extremely disappointing to see Noam Chomsky and Gloria Steinem siding with bigots. The only explanation I can come up with is that they're old and out of touch and just don't get it.
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That, or, like Salman Rushdie (who is also on the list) they have been the victims of intolerance before, and know it well when they see it.
 
bomberfox said:
Actually people are starting to learn the lessons of Karl Popper. Nobody has to be inclusive of hate to be tolerance and inclusive, being inclusive towards ideologies of hate.
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:snorts: "Error Has No Rights" is an old, old, old idea. There is nothing new in it.

The hysterics of comparing cancel culture to the french and russian revolution is silly.
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:shrug: throw in any fundamentalist revolution you please. The iconoclasm of the Protestant Reformation, or that of the birth of Islam.
 
Jonsa said:
Trust wild arsed far right to put so much credence in the ravings of the wild arsed far left so they can reinforce their stereotypes of their political enemies. the VAST majority of citizens object to out of control cancel culture.

OTOH, a little prudent pruning of the culture to eliminate scumbag lowlife fascist nazis and totalitarian commies everywhere they are to be found on this planet, would be a really good thing.
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The current wave of Black Lives Matter / Antifa dont have a problem with totalitarian commies. Back in the day in Germany, the Social Democrats were the main opponents of ANTIFA because ANTIFA was about installing communism.
 
cpwill said:
:snorts: "Error Has No Rights" is an old, old, old idea. There is nothing new in it.



:shrug: throw in any fundamentalist revolution you please. The iconoclasm of the Protestant Reformation, or that of the birth of Islam.
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Thats not what he said but thanks for playing :lamo you are losing your touch.
 
dixon01767 said:
The current wave of Black Lives Matter / Antifa dont have a problem with totalitarian commies. Back in the day in Germany, the Social Democrats were the main opponents of ANTIFA because ANTIFA was about installing communism.
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The social democrats found it more favorable to side with genocidal madmen to get at Luxembourg. They found out just how good those “allies” were. The left made me go fash is just an excuse.
 
bomberfox said:
The social democrats found it more favorable to side with genocidal madmen to get at Luxembourg. They found out just how good those “allies” were. The left made me go fash is just an excuse.
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the KPD viewed fascism primarily as the final stage of capitalism rather than as a specific movement or group and therefore applied the term to all other parties. The front focused largely on attacking the KPD's main adversary, the centre-left Social Democratic Party of Germany, whom they referred to as social fascists and regarded as the "main pillar of the dictatorship of Capital".[2]
Antifaschistische Aktion - Wikipedia
 
dixon01767 said:
the KPD viewed fascism primarily as the final stage of capitalism rather than as a specific movement or group and therefore applied the term to all other parties. The front focused largely on attacking the KPD's main adversary, the centre-left Social Democratic Party of Germany, whom they referred to as social fascists and regarded as the "main pillar of the dictatorship of Capital".[2]
Antifaschistische Aktion - Wikipedia
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Im aware, they were wrong. However allying with right wing militias was a big mistake.
 
dixon01767 said:
The current wave of Black Lives Matter / Antifa dont have a problem with totalitarian commies. Back in the day in Germany, the Social Democrats were the main opponents of ANTIFA because ANTIFA was about installing communism.
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where do you come up with these wild arsed ideas? BLM and Antifa are two ENTIRELY different things, but I can see how to many in trumpland it doesn't matter because they are "others" therefore they are all one and the same enemy of the deluded vision of America that seems to reign supreme.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerously pathetic.
 
bomberfox said:
Thats not what he said
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Yes, I"m sure you think it's very deep and meaningful. But no thanks - we'll stick with the Classic Liberalism and its rejection of intolerance of "error". Enjoy your theocracy.
 
cpwill said:
Yes, I"m sure you think it's very deep and meaningful. But no thanks - we'll stick with the Classic Liberalism and its rejection of intolerance of "error". Enjoy your theocracy.
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You havnt read Popper have you? I can tell you havnt. He is a classical liberal, a very prominent one at that :)
 
bomberfox said:
You havnt read Popper have you? I can tell you havnt. He is a classical liberal, a very prominent one at that :)
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Cool :) Feel free to lay out what you think he is saying that has bearing to why we should be illiberal via destructive intolerance of heresy.
 
cpwill said:
Cool :) Feel free to lay out what you think he is saying that has bearing to why we should be illiberal via destructive intolerance of heresy.
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Nothing illiberal is being done here but cute persecution fantasy you have going here.
 
I've seen the list of signatories on the open letter. Elites worried about their stature.
 
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