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How Trump Could Lose the Election—And Still Remain President | Opinion

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Do you think Trump would so hate being a "loser" that he would find some way to negate the voice of American voters?

How Trump Could Lose the Election—And Still Remain President | Opinion

For Trump, there are two broad pathways to maintaining power. First, we can already see very clearly a strategy designed to suppress voter turnout with the purging of registration rolls of large numbers of mostly urban voters; efforts to suppress mail-in ballots, which are more necessary than ever, given COVID-19; a re-election apparatus that is training 50,000 poll watchers for the purpose of challenging citizens' right to vote on Election Day; and significant efforts to make in-person voting in urban areas as cumbersome as possible in order to have long lines that discourage people from exercising their voting rights.

The second pathway to subverting the election is even more ominous—but we must be cognizant of it because Trump is already laying the groundwork for how he can lose the popular vote, and even lose in the key swing states necessary for an Electoral College victory, but still remain president.
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  1. Biden wins the popular vote, and carries the key swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by decent but not overwhelming margins.
  2. Trump immediately declares that the voting was rigged, that there was mail-in ballot fraud and that the Chinese were behind a plan to provide fraudulent mail-in ballots and other "election hacking" throughout the four key swing states that gave Biden his victory.
  3. Having railed against the Chinese throughout the campaign, calling Biden "soft on China," Trump delivers his narrative claiming the Chinese have interfered in the U.S. election.
  4. Trump indicates this is a major national security issue, and he invokes emergency powers, directing the Justice Department to investigate the alleged activity in the swing states. The legal justification for the presidential powers he invokes has already been developed and issued by Barr.
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please read the linked opinion column before commenting - it helps the conversation.
 
Good thing it's looking like Trump will lose by a lot.
 
If trump loses and refuses to leave because he claims the election was rigged, he will be forcefully removed from the white house. If republican governors try to stop the results of his losing it will only increase the outrage. There may be several ways they can try to steal the election but I think none will work.
 
Somerville said:
Do you think Trump would so hate being a "loser" that he would find some way to negate the voice of American voters?



please read the linked opinion column before commenting - it helps the conversation.
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Yada Yada Yada. The electoral college confirmed by the Congress is all that matters in the end. No need for grand conspiracy theories. If Congress cannot decide, the Speaker of the House becomes POTUS. Fortunately, won't be Nancy Pelosi.
 
Somerville said:
Do you think Trump would so hate being a "loser" that he would find some way to negate the voice of American voters?



please read the linked opinion column before commenting - it helps the conversation.
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That column was the perfect storm describing a very real scenario in which the nightmare forces of our system fail the American people. I would put none of this beyond Donald Trump. Even if he has to destroy large portions of our system by undermining our standards and norms he will do it.
 
Somerville said:
Do you think Trump would so hate being a "loser" that he would find some way to negate the voice of American voters?



please read the linked opinion column before commenting - it helps the conversation.
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None of that will happen. If you think it will you should get professional help.
 
Somerville said:
Do you think Trump would so hate being a "loser" that he would find some way to negate the voice of American voters?



please read the linked opinion column before commenting - it helps the conversation.
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Won't happen... All the people who have been advocating for their 2nd amendment rights will finally use them for their intended purpose, and walk his ass off the lawn.

Right?
 
Somerville said:
Do you think Trump would so hate being a "loser" that he would find some way to negate the voice of American voters?



please read the linked opinion column before commenting - it helps the conversation.
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So you’re concerned he may have gotten ahold of the Democrats play book?
 
OlNate said:
Won't happen... All the people who have been advocating for their 2nd amendment rights will finally use them for their intended purpose, and walk his ass off the lawn.

Right?
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As much as lefties would love to see him physically dragged out of the White House, it won’t happen.
 
if he loses, my guess is that he'll claim that the results are fake no matter how big his loss is. that's just what he does. i'm just wondering how effective that stategy will be and how much damage it will do.
 
X Factor said:
As much as lefties would love to see him physically dragged out of the White House, it won’t happen.
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Not even if he decides not to respect the constitutional process of voting?
 
bongsaway said:
If trump loses and refuses to leave because he claims the election was rigged, he will be forcefully removed from the white house. If republican governors try to stop the results of his losing it will only increase the outrage. There may be several ways they can try to steal the election but I think none will work.
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He will beat Biden like a drum. Is there a reason you “progressives” put up an old white man?


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Helix said:
if he loses, my guess is that he'll claim that the results are fake no matter how big his loss is. that's just what he does. i'm just wondering how effective that stategy will be and how much damage it will do.
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About as equally damaging as claiming, for the last 4 year, that the Russians hacked the last election.
 
OlNate said:
Not even if he decides not to respect the constitutional process of voting?
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The idea that he’ll have to be dragged (drug?) out is just a lefty wet dream. :mrgreen:
 
X Factor said:
The idea that he’ll have to be dragged (drug?) out is just a lefty wet dream. :mrgreen:
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:lamo Well, I'm not gonna lie, it would at least give this filthy lefty a semi.

But you didn't answer the question. That mean I'm not gonna get an answer?
 
smallvoice said:
He will beat Biden like a drum. Is there a reason you “progressives” put up an old white man?


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He was not my choice, I voted for the other old white guy. Trump isn't old at seventy four but biden is at seventy seven. Split hairs much?
 
X Factor said:
About as equally damaging as claiming, for the last 4 year, that the Russians hacked the last election.
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it's a little different, as it is beyond debate that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election. a defeated president trying to foment a riot would be much, much worse. unfortunately, he has already done stuff like this before he was elected.

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pretty funny in retrospect. it would not be funny at all if a president did that, though.
 
OlNate said:
:lamo Well, I'm not gonna lie, it would at least give this filthy lefty a semi.

But you didn't answer the question. That mean I'm not gonna get an answer?
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He should respect the results of the 2020 election in just the same way that Dems respected the results of the 2016 election.
 
Helix said:
it's a little different, as it is beyond debate that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election. a defeated president trying to foment a riot would be much, much worse. unfortunately, he has already done stuff like this before he was elected.

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pretty funny in retrospect. it would not be funny at all if a president did that, though.
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Oddly that claims about what Russians did kept changing. First it was a hack, then “collision” until it finally settled on trolling the internet.
 
X Factor said:
He should respect the results of the 2020 election in just the same way that Dems respected the results of the 2016 election.
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Oh...I see. So you approve of the way Dems acted after 2016 then?

(Damn, I'm glad I'm Canadian, so I can ask these questions...bahaha)
 
X Factor said:
Oddly that claims about what Russians did kept changing. First it was a hack, then “collision” until it finally settled on trolling the internet.
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they interfered in the election. i understand that the right wing position is to minimize and so what it. there has to be a way to claim victimhood over it, so i'd take that angle. you could probably get there by pretending that large scale organized Russian election interference has happened in every election, especially Obama something.
 
This is one of the few times I have not bothered to read the linked article. The reason is I have seen this argument before, it was put forth that Obama would not leave the White House, that just before the election he would drum up an incident and declare a nation emergency thus leave him in charge. Dumb then, dumb now.
 
OlNate said:
Oh...I see. So you approve of the way Dems acted after 2016 then?

(Damn, I'm glad I'm Canadian, so I can ask these questions...bahaha)
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Ok, I gotta go walk the dog so here’s a straight answer. If Trump loses, he needs to go. I would not support him trying to remain in office if that was contrary to the election results.
 
X Factor said:
Ok, I gotta go walk the dog so here’s a straight answer. If Trump loses, he needs to go. I would not support him trying to remain in office if that was contrary to the election results.
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See, now, I knew you'd say that, because despite our frequent fisticuffs, I know you're a decent guy. You could have just went there right away, it would have been a better look. It's ok to be decent, my dude. :) Now instead of ranting on and on about hypocrisy and indoctrination, I can simply wish you an enjoyable walk with your dog.

You might not recognize it, but we have just demonstrated what it will take to fix your country. ;)

Enjoy your walk, brother.
 
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