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White privilege is a lie.

joko104 said:
What "privileges" do you have as a white people that black people do not have? Since you claim you have white privilege, state the privilege(s). Should be easy for you to do.
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I am seriously questioning your reading comprehension. It's as if you responded to someone else's post.
 
reflechissez said:
I am seriously questioning your reading comprehension. It's as if you responded to someone else's post.
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You're probably correct about my mixing you up with someone else. If so, sorry, my mistake.
 
joko104 said:
Typical. Trying to convert rejecting "white privilege" equals "white victimhood." :roll:
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white victimhood in jail sucks as much as the lack of internet access, or maybe even more. at least that's the rumor.
 
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Oborosen said:
I still find it funny that people believe "White Privilege" is actually a thing.

Most of the people who push this idea as an actual concept, can't even explain what it really is.
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There's definitely "rich privilege" - a lot of whites, also a whole lot of Asian-Americans, Muslim-Americans, Hispanics, blacks in certain areas of the country

I wouldn't call it "white privilege" - tell that to the white guy living in a trailer park in Indiana working 14 hour shifts at Burger King - or tell that to the white LGBT community in Alabama

As far as any minority community where people are stuck living in dangerous, run-down areas with horrible schools and/or corrupt police departments, we need to get those people out of those communities, and mix up the zoning laws, so that everyone has equal access to be able to succeed

And this also means rich liberals living in East Coast communities which are 99% white agreeing to these zoning laws, and (I can't believe I'm saying this) allowing minority groups to feel comfortable living alongside them in their neighborhoods

There are a whole lot of people out there calling themselves "progressives" that retreat to their 99% white suburbs every night, without any desire to socialize or mingle with anyone outside of their own race
 
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White victimhood even with a white (orange) GOP president who's done nothing but cater to his base is amusing.
 
Acadia said:
And yet we see no outrage or cries for social justice when these minorities are displaced for less deserving black candidates, in the name of quotas or affirmative action.
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99% of the racial onus in popular culture (defined by the leftist media), is by, of and for blacks. Occasionally there will be a Hispanic. And once in a very great while, an Asian will be held up as a victim. I think there was that one Asian on a plane that stood up and cried racism.

It is from that media-defined prism that we are forced to evaluate race.
 
A repeated complexity is what white see in the riots and the conduct of black people in those riots. Beating people for no reason or for criminal purpose? The destruction, looting, arson, rage?

Are those blacks people that white people should fear? Not like? Not want to be around? To be avoided?
 
Oborosen said:
Most of the people who push this idea as an actual concept, can't even explain what it really is.
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:roll:

White privilege is the result of systemic racism that puts non-whites at a disadvantage and generates all sorts of socioeconomic inequalities. It refers to the results of discrimination and oppression of non-whites produced by individual attitudes, social conditions, and policies, in areas as varied as education, employment, access to financial resources, political representation, health care, the criminal justice system and more.

Oh, and people have coherently defined it since 1988. The term was coined then in Peggy McIntosh's "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack."
https://www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/mcintosh.pdf
 
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devildavid said:
White privilege does not mean that there are no white criminals who ever get arrested. It is a much broader term, and has nothing to do with individual actions and consequences of actions by individual white people. If you want to demonstrate that something is a lie, you first have to know exaclty what it is.
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Y’know, I might be more inclined to accept it if it wasn’t always deemed to be true when it gets trotted out. The point in my OP was that it was, basically, fully proven that the lockdown protests were “allowed” to happen without reprisals since a lot more things, including property damage and looting, also happened with little to no resistance. Is there ever a time something gets chalked up to white privilege that you think isn’t?
 
Rickeroo said:
99% of the racial onus in popular culture (defined by the leftist media), is by, of and for blacks. Occasionally there will be a Hispanic. And once in a very great while, an Asian will be held up as a victim. I think there was that one Asian on a plane that stood up and cried racism.

It is from that media-defined prism that we are forced to evaluate race.
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Well, exposing the ugly face of racism and criminal justice inequality is SUPPOSED to make everyone re-evaluate their own attitudes and values.

The prism implies distortion, but it can also imply magnification - making the ignorant aware is a net social positive in any free democracy.
 
Visbek said:
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White privilege is the result of systemic racism that puts non-whites at a disadvantage
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That's such a generalization, though - There are white people out there struggling to put food on the table, Hispanic CEOs making six figures, prestigious universities that are 80% Asian-American, wealthy communities filled with Muslim-Americans

A large portion of the black community is still getting the short end of the stick, and I think it's because people, including many liberals, are afraid to mix up communities - people preach diversity and inclusion, but then won't stand for a low income housing development to be zoned in their white suburban fairy tale town, and give lower income kids an equal shot at a university-prep education

There are many metro areas with a high percentage of African-Americans in high-paying jobs, but also many where white liberals insist on keeping their gated communities to themselves - and blue states, in general, are even more racially segregated, from town to town, than red states

In any case, America isn't just black and white, so "white privilege" seems like an odd term
 
ReubenSherr said:
That's such a generalization, though - There are white people out there struggling to put food on the table, Hispanic CEOs making six figures, prestigious universities that are 80% Asian-American, wealthy communities filled with Muslim-Americans

A large portion of the black community is still getting the short end of the stick, and I think it's because people, including many liberals, are afraid to mix up communities - people preach diversity and inclusion, but then won't stand for a low income housing development to be zoned in their white suburban fairy tale town, and give lower income kids an equal shot at a university-prep education

There are many metro areas with a high percentage of African-Americans in high-paying jobs, but also many where white liberals insist on keeping their gated communities to themselves - and blue states, in general, are even more racially segregated, from town to town, than red states

In any case, America isn't just black and white, so "white privilege" seems like an odd term
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Except that America is 75% white, so "white privilege" is an appropriate term based not only on demographics but history.
 
Jonsa said:
Except that America is 75% white, so "white privilege" is an appropriate term based not only on demographics but history.
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But America is not 25% black - there are many other non-white races, including groups who are arguably financially overprivileged, like Asian-Americans, Muslim-Americans, etc.

I can't speak for the entire country, but I know that here in California, there are Hispanic-Americans making six figures all over the state

We are having a serious problem with racism against blacks, but it certainly isn't all coming from "whites" - many Hispanics, many Muslim-Americans, many Asian-Americans are fueling this issue as well
 
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Personally, I think conservatives understand what white privilege is just fine, and are pretending not to get it in order to troll everybody.
 
Cardinal said:
Personally, I think conservatives understand what white privilege is just fine, and are pretending not to get it in order to troll everybody.
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Nailed it.
 
Cardinal said:
Personally, I think conservatives understand what white privilege is just fine, and are pretending not to get it in order to troll everybody.
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Or Canadian posters are pretending not to get it, in order to troll American Policial Message Boards and try to influence our election on behalf of the socialist wing of the Dem party ;)
 
ReubenSherr said:
But America is not 25% black - there are many other non-white races, including groups who are arguably financially overprivileged, like Asian-Americans, Muslim-Americans, etc.

I can't speak for the entire country, but I know that here in California, there are Hispanic-Americans making six figures all over the state

We are having a serious problem with racism against blacks, but it certainly isn't all coming from "whites" - many Hispanics, many Muslim-Americans, many Asian-Americans are fueling this issue as well
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You don't seem to have a handle on what the term "race" means. Hispanics are people who come from spanish speaking countries (nothing to do with color, in fact there are tens of millions of black hispanics) . Muslims are just members of a religion, like christians and there are hundreds of millions of black/brown muslims in the world.

I do love your term "financially overprivileged" but your example of many hispanics making over six figures sure smells like bigotry.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Or Canadian posters are pretending not to get it, in order to troll American Policial Message Boards and try to influence our election on behalf of the socialist wing of the Dem party ;)
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so in complaining about white privilege you invoke nationalist privilege because you can't respond to a poster whose opinions are diametrically opposed to your own. No worries its a common enough tactic used by many.

i call it the "whinging snowflake" defense.
 
Jonsa said:
so in complaining about white privilege you invoke nationalist privilege because you can't respond to a poster whose opinions are diametrically opposed to your own. No worries its a common enough tactic used by many.
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Lol a "Nationalist privilege"

Canadian posters cannot vote in American elections - they have no right to be banding together and trolling American political message boards to try to slant our election to the socialist wing of the Democratic Party

Lol how many of you are there? And how do we even know it's not 2 or 3 people controlling 10 different accounts and using different accounts to back up their own statements?

BTW Conservatives control the Executive Branch and the Senate - they are not the "trolls" lol, they control the U. S. Government
 
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Black drivers are stopped by police, on average, 20% more often than white drivers:

Study of 100 million police stops finds black motorists are more likely to be pulled over - CNN

Many retailers have policies that discriminate against black customers, and there are further a number of instances of employees discriminating:

Shopping While Black: Applying the Civil Rights Act of 1866 to Cases of Consumer Racial Profiling - Human Services Today University of Wisconsin Oshkosh

Bus drivers will give white riders a free ride more often than black riders:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...re-likely-to-let-white-passengers-skip-fares/

Doctors don't believe it when black people complain of pain as compared to white people:

Racial bias in pain assessment and treatment recommendations, and false beliefs about biological differences between blacks and whites

Black people are handled in discriminatory fashion at all levels of the health care system, even controlling for socio-economic factors like income geographic location:

Racism and Health: Evidence and Needed Research

If you have a black-sounding name, it'll be half again as hard to get a job interview:

https://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

Black people are typically quoted higher prices for cars than white people:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2118176?seq=1

Black neighborhoods are policed more and suspects are reported with bias against blacks (in other words, the refrain that black people commit more crime is at least partially due to a bias in how crimes are reported):

https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/322810?seq=1

Judges sentence black defendants more harshly than white defendants for the same crimes, even when both black and white defendants have similar backgrounds:

http://projects.heraldtribune.com/bias/sentencing/

When police have discretion whether to charge a suspect with a more or less serious offense, they charge black people with the serious offense more often:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jels.12201

Real estate agents consistently and persistently "steer" non-white home buyers toward high-crime, high-pollution neighborhoods:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w24826

And the evidence goes on and on and on. There are literally tens of thousands of such studies available to anyone with access to a decent academic library. What all of this shows is that black people regularly face significant headwinds in practically all aspects of life.

This does not mean that there aren't struggling white people. It does not mean that there aren't white people who are treated unfairly by health care workers, police, judges, bosses, real estate agents, city workers, etc. It does not mean that there aren't some successful black or brown people, even ones more successful than some white people.

What the term "white privilege" refers to is the theory, supported by the studies linked above as well as by those tens of thousands I didn't link (but you, dear reader, can find for yourself), that, on average, brown and black people will do worse than white people in the same situation. That is what white privilege is, and what it means.
 
ashurbanipal said:
What the term "white privilege" refers to is the theory, supported by the studies linked above as well as by those tens of thousands I didn't link (but you, dear reader, can find for yourself), that, on average, brown and black people will do worse than white people in the same situation. That is what white privilege is, and what it means.
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If you mean "non-black" privilege, I completely understand what you're saying, and agree with every example you used

Almost every link you provided though referred to black citizens, there were no links with any data about Hispanic-Americans, Muslim-Americans, Asian-Americans, or any of the other multitude of cultural groups in the U. S. that are non-white

The United States is 13% black, I want to help improve the situation of black Americans as much as possible, but some of the rhetoric/terminology going around implies that we are a black and white country, and we're not

And one aspect of this people do need to realize is that there is a lot of racism against the black community by other communities of color, not just whites
 
ReubenSherr said:
If you mean "non-black" privilege, I completely understand what you're saying, and agree with every example you used

Almost every link you provided though referred to black citizens, there were no links with any data about Hispanic-Americans, Muslim-Americans, Asian-Americans, or any of the other multitude of cultural groups in the U. S. that are non-white

The United States is 13% black, I want to help improve the situation of black Americans as much as possible, but some of the rhetoric/terminology going around implies that we are a black and white country, and we're not

And one aspect of this people do need to realize is that there is a lot of racism against the black community by other communities of color, not just whites
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Well, there's actually some racism against blacks in the black community. The implicit bias that is usually thought to underwrite many of the phenomena that these and other studies show has been absorbed by black people just as thoroughly as it has by people of other races. Anyway, I agree, though I would add there is also considerable racism against brown people.
 
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