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Does anyone really believe the democrats are the real racists????

That is all extra steps


Just cut to it and ask,
"How do you explain the disparity of support for the two major parties among black Americans?"

It'd be nice if someone could say something like,
"The GOP has had some major branding issues over the years which have been exacerbated of late.
These have really kept the GOP from gaining ground in black communities where they value church and family.
This is what the GOP have been doing about that..."​

Instead, the usual reply places all the onus on other people,
The Media[emoji769]
the Democrats
The Blacks[emoji769]
etc.

e.g.
The Blacks[emoji769] are unable to see through the smokescreen The Media[emoji769] create for the Democrats.
The Democrats' promises of handouts are 'naturally' more persuasive to The Blacks[emoji769].


Bonus points if the answer includes some version of any of the following:
  • "I'm not racist, but..."
  • abortion
  • crime
  • Hillary/Killary/'super-predators'
  • Obama/Obummer
  • rap music
  • Soros
  • the Civil War period (any of it)
  • the word 'plantation'

Not arguing, but I find pointing out every member of every kkk type group is a proud card carrying conservative republican and only one side flys confederate flags and fight to keep their monuments on state/federal lands, way more to the point.


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LOL As I told lwf, it's right next his citation for "most racists are conservative."

All the white racists are conservatives...by dictionary definition because of the history of America..

For the white racists to be liberals, white racism would have to be new to American politics..


Rightwing/conservative= the establishment who wants to uphold the traditions of the past or return to some past era of greatness..

Leftwing/liberal: those out of power wanting change in a new direction.

That is not a secret...


There are no gun hating trans vegan hippies on the right.... and there are no whites racists on the left..

Duh


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Yep. Right next to our support for "most racists are conservative." you post stupid ****, you get stupid **** back.

Racism is a right-leaning phenomenon. Most conservatives have disavowed racism, but that doesn't mean that racists aren't conservative any more than it means antifa is not liberal.
 
Rush and Sean sell it all the time. Why shouldn't they believe it?
 
No one said the parties are the same. They are filled with extremist, true. One from the right, the other the left, no middle, no moderates, just extremist. Each puts party above country, loyalty to party not the nation, it's all totally disgusting. Trump or Hillary Clinton, Schumer or McConnell, there's no choice there although as you state, you're talking two different political ideologies. But the quest for absolute power is there for all of them. No willingness to compromise, my way or the highway. No wonder both major parties are shrinking. Independents have risen from 30% of the electorate in 2006 to 40% today. Over this time span the Democrats have fallen from 37% down to 31%, the GOP from 32% down to 28%.

Which is just fine with both parties as it means they are getting rid of their unwanted moderates leaving just the hard core ideologues. Both parties have come up with litmus tests, either believe the way we believe 100% or get out. we don't need you, we don't want you, but vote for us come the next election. Sickening isn't it.

Don’t get me wrong politics is universally dirty, which is why most people don’t like politicians out of hand, but that does not mean things are equal , even if not the same..

There is a reason liberals dominate science, academia, silicone valley and such... because those fields require really smart people for entry and conservative propaganda is scripted for stupid people...


For example, and I like 99.9999999% of Americans, am in no way for a gun ban. This is just an example of propaganda for stupid people..


“Guns don’t kill people , people do” could be an example logical fallacy in a text book... who thinks guns float of the table and shoot people?!?!

Who is saying we have a phantom gun problem?!?! Lol

I know their point is that guns require an operator, so the operator should be blamed, not the gun... except if that were true nothing would be restricted...

Nukes require an operator after all, so nukes don’t kill people, people do... so Nukes for everyone!!

Lol


Pick a conservative talking point and it does not stand up to ANY critical thought.


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All the white racists are conservatives...by dictionary definition because of the history of America..

For the white racists to be liberals, white racism would have to be new to American politics..


Rightwing/conservative= the establishment who wants to uphold the traditions of the past or return to some past era of greatness..

Leftwing/liberal: those out of power wanting change in a new direction.

That is not a secret...


There are no gun hating trans vegan hippies on the right.... and there are no whites racists on the left..

Duh


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Don't know much about American history, huh?
 
Racism is a right-leaning phenomenon. Most conservatives have disavowed racism, but that doesn't mean that racists aren't conservative any more than it means antifa is not liberal.

And pedophiles swing left. Disgusting isn't it?
 
And pedophiles swing left. Disgusting isn't it?

No they don't. You can't predict how a pedophile or a rapist will vote with any degree of accuracy. You can predict how a racist will vote with a high degree of accuracy: Racists tend to vote Republican. Just like members of the Antifa movement tend to vote Democrat. There's no need to be personally offended by broad social trends, and just because most racists are conservatives doesn't mean that you are, just as most members of Antifa voting democrat doesn't make most liberals members or supporters of Antifa.
 
Don't know much about American history, huh?

Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?!?!

A rebuttal kinda requires you do more than “nah uh” and somehow feel superior. Lmao


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No they don't. You can't predict how a pedophile or a rapist will vote with any degree of accuracy. You can predict how a racist will vote with a high degree of accuracy: Racists tend to vote Republican. Just like members of the Antifa movement tend to vote Democrat. There's no need to be personally offended by broad social trends, and just because most racists are conservatives doesn't mean that you are, just as most members of Antifa voting democrat doesn't make most liberals members or supporters of Antifa.

Nah. Rapists and pedophile always vote Democrat. Liberals have a much more liberal view on how one conducts oneself. They understand that its not the fault of rapists and pedophiles, it's society's fault.
 
Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?!?!

A rebuttal kinda requires you do more than “nah uh” and somehow feel superior. Lmao

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It's how we smart people roll in silicone valley.
 
No they don't. You can't predict how a pedophile or a rapist will vote with any degree of accuracy. You can predict how a racist will vote with a high degree of accuracy: Racists tend to vote Republican. Just like members of the Antifa movement tend to vote Democrat. There's no need to be personally offended by broad social trends, and just because most racists are conservatives doesn't mean that you are, just as most members of Antifa voting democrat doesn't make most liberals members or supporters of Antifa.

FYI

I’m pretty sure antifa never existed and it was always just 2 TOTALLY unconnected groups...


The way the conservatives can start some nonsense like that with zero evidence is just mind boggling...


2 groups wear masks and throw rocks at 2 totally different protests half a world away, and they convince everyone there is a kkk level militant leftist group..

They got a bunch of moderates and liberals too with that one..

The American right doesn’t have fun hating trans vegan hippies and the American left doesn’t have militant anti government militias...

That should be shocking to no one.


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Do ya’ll think anyone actually believes it, or Is it only a talking point that everyone knows is ridiculous???

Obviously no one in the middle or left is gonna believe the democrats are the “real racists”’ as it is ONLY conservatives flying confederate flags and filling out petitions to protect whatever Nathan Bedford Forrest statue.. lol

But do any of them actually believe it???


I don’t think so... it is just SOOOOO stupid that I don’t tink any of them can really buy it..

That means they are all as a group intentionally lying?!?!

Now that is some crazy group think right there boy!


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Yeah, youre right, its just crazy to assume that the party that DENIED CIVIL RIGHTS for 100 years after the civil war, would SUDDENLY become the "best friends and champions of black people" literally and figurately OVERNIGHT!! All those hardcore racists who filibustered civil rights, AND opposed anti-lynching legislation, would magically start loving black people almost immediately afterwards!

Nope, the democrats of the 60s, in conjunction with the "news" media, discovered a new way of opporessing black people WHILE ensuring their votes, by directly encouraging AND rewarding the destruction of the black nuclear family, by paying millions and millions of 18-20 year old black girls to get pregnant OUT OF WEDLOCK, in exchange for free housing(projects), free money(welfare), free food(food stamps), free 100% govt-paid healthcare!

Thats where the media and the "civil rights leaders"(greedy, racist, corrupt race-hustlers) like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson came into play! They perpetually spread the divisive, mostly untrue fear mongering message that "as a black person, you cant get ahead in America, due to systemic racism"! The white race will keep you down"! "You'll be genocided by police"!

Then they are regularly told in no uncertain terms, "you MUST vote for democrats OR ELSE terrible, bad things will happen to you"!! So millions of blacks live in God awful inner city projects, more than half either dropped out of school, or werent remotely well educated. That keeps them dependent on their primary oppressors, ie. THE DEMOCRATS!!

The media's corrupt refusal to EVER blame democrats for ANY of their suffering, also gives white "progressives" the cover to NOT step up and do something to prove they actually want things to get better for minorities!

A
 
FYI

I’m pretty sure antifa never existed and it was always just 2 TOTALLY unconnected groups...


The way the conservatives can start some nonsense like that with zero evidence is just mind boggling...


2 groups wear masks and throw rocks at 2 totally different protests half a world away, and they convince everyone there is a kkk level militant leftist group..

They got a bunch of moderates and liberals too with that one..

The American right doesn’t have fun hating trans vegan hippies and the American left doesn’t have militant anti government militias...

That should be shocking to no one.


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Are you seriously denying theres a such thing as a radical LEFTIST group of mostly communists called Antifa? Would you also believe the Earth is flat, if some hyperpartisan liar told you that "the spherical earth is a right wing conspiracy theory"?

Your beloved and implicitly trusted "news" media have LOTS of footage of Antifa fights and rioting over the past 3.5 years, which is EASILY FOUND on youtube!! They are funded by Soros and a bunch of other mainstream leftist non profit groups! How does a non-existent group spend most of an entire year harrassing citizens in Portland Oregon??
 
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Don’t get me wrong politics is universally dirty, which is why most people don’t like politicians out of hand, but that does not mean things are equal , even if not the same..

...

Nukes require an operator after all, so nukes don’t kill people, people do... so Nukes for everyone!!

Lol


Pick a conservative talking point and it does not stand up to ANY critical thought.


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The left/right, conservative/liberal arguments, debates belong to those who belong to each. What has happened as one party moves further to the left, the other further to the right, they're leaving the average American behind. Or as I like to say, without a political party to call their own.

This is the crux of the problem as I see it. The biggest political faction today isn't Republicans and it isn't Democrats. It's independents which for the most part, in general their politics are somewhere in-between the two major parties. Sure you have some independents where the Democratic Party isn't far left enough or the Republican Party isn't far right enough. But for most, the two major parties have moved too far to the left or right for them. So they deserted the party they use to belong to.

Elections today boils down to who wins independents. Neither party's base is big enough to win it by themselves. In most elections it boils down to which party are independents most angry at. Angry at Trump and the Republicans, independents give the Democrats the house. Angry at Obama and the Democrats, in 2010 independents gave the GOP the house, in 2014 the senate and in 2016 the presidency. Angry at Bush and the Republicans, in 2006 independents gave the democrats both the house and the senate, in 2008 they elected Obama. Get angry at Bill Clinton, in 1994 independents gave the Republicans the house and senate and in 2000 helped elect G.W. Bush. and so it goes.

Look back at the big tent Democratic Party when it had both a conservative and liberal wings along with a ton of moderates. They espoused a moderate liberal or perhaps a moderate progressive agenda. If the Republicans hadn't run Eisenhower, the very popular WWII successful general, I have no doubt the democrats would have held the presidency from 1933 through 1968. As it was with the big tent party the democrats controlled the House of Representatives for 40 straight years until the election of 1994 and for 56 out of 60 years. Not any more, first the Democrats kicked out their conservatives and now are evicting their moderates. The moderate blue dog democrats use to make up a very sizable chunk of the Democratic party, are there any left? Fact is now that the Republicans have controlled the house for 20 out the last 26 years.

The fact is both parties have left moderation behind. The willingness to compromise is gone, the idea of taking little steps forward, a steady movement forward for the good of the nation has been replaced by attempts at gigantic steps which results in all or nothing, usually nothing. No time is taken to get the people on board. This in turn get those independents mad and it's time for a change.

Actually having said all of this, I'm happy the democrats have chosen Joe Biden. He's more or less an old fashioned, moderate Democrat who is willing to work with the other side to get things accomplished and the country moving forward. I look on Joe as a return to sanity. Back to normalcy. Now if we could get some old fashioned senate leaders like Mitchell and Dole, Daschle and Lott who respected each other and were willing to work together, perhaps new speaker of the house in the mold of Tip O'Neal, Carl Albert, Mike McCormick and Sam Rayburn, then perhaps we would have a functioning government.

Back to a time when both major parties had respect for the other and were willing to work together. When both major parties recognized each party's goal was a secure, free and prosperous America. Only their path's differed some. Today, it seems each party thinks the other party is out to destroy America and only their party can save her. Each party thinks the other is this country number one enemy and must be done away with. I've said enough. There's no wonder today that 56% of all Americans view the Democratic negatively or unfavorably. The Democrats are saved only because 61% view the GOP negatively. Only Republicans like their party, only Democrats like theirs. Now independents will continue to grow.
 
LOL As I told lwf, it's right next his citation for "most racists are conservative."

So, you just pulled it out of your ass like a liar.
 
Nah. Rapists and pedophile always vote Democrat. Liberals have a much more liberal view on how one conducts oneself. They understand that its not the fault of rapists and pedophiles, it's society's fault.

FYI it was liberals who made it illegal to do anything that used to be legal. By dictionary definition..

Any old bad law that got changed.. the liberals fought to change it and the conservatives fought to keep it that way..

On every single issue, by dictionary definition..


For example a grown man marrying a 13 year old... conservatives fought to keep it that way..

A husband being able to be charged for raping his wife. Liberals got it made illegal, conservatives fought tooth and nail to keep it that way.

Wash rinse repeat


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So, you just pulled it out of your ass like a liar.

I wouldn't call lwf a liar, but that's your choice. I think he's simply misguided.
 
I wouldn't call lwf a liar, but that's your choice. I think he's simply misguided.

That's between you and him. You made a claim no back it up or admit you lied. You know.....like a MAGAstani
 
Yeah, youre right, its just crazy to assume that the party that DENIED CIVIL RIGHTS for 100 years after the civil war, would SUDDENLY become the "best friends and champions of black people" literally and figurately OVERNIGHT!! All those hardcore racists who filibustered civil rights, AND opposed anti-lynching legislation, would magically start loving black people almost immediately afterwards!

Nope, the democrats of the 60s, in conjunction with the "news" media, discovered a new way of opporessing black people WHILE ensuring their votes, by directly encouraging AND rewarding the destruction of the black nuclear family, by paying millions and millions of 18-20 year old black girls to get pregnant OUT OF WEDLOCK, in exchange for free housing(projects), free money(welfare), free food(food stamps), free 100% govt-paid healthcare!

Thats where the media and the "civil rights leaders"(greedy, racist, corrupt race-hustlers) like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson came into play! They perpetually spread the divisive, mostly untrue fear mongering message that "as a black person, you cant get ahead in America, due to systemic racism"! The white race will keep you down"! "You'll be genocided by police"!

Then they are regularly told in no uncertain terms, "you MUST vote for democrats OR ELSE terrible, bad things will happen to you"!! So millions of blacks live in God awful inner city projects, more than half either dropped out of school, or werent remotely well educated. That keeps them dependent on their primary oppressors, ie. THE DEMOCRATS!!

The media's corrupt refusal to EVER blame democrats for ANY of their suffering, also gives white "progressives" the cover to NOT step up and do something to prove they actually want things to get better for minorities!

A

Do you think anyone has ever fallen for that nonsense who was not a conservative gong in lmao??

Doubtful...


What republicans and democrats stand for us in constant flux... OBVIOUSLY.. changes every 5 min..

The definition of right/left and conservative/liberal does not change... that is why they can be applied to any culture in any era..


If you had a dictionary you would probably not fall for such toddler logic.


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That's between you and him. You made a claim no back it up or admit you lied. You know.....like a MAGAstani

LOL I assume you took it on faith his claim that ALL racists are conservative.
 
LOL I assume you took it on faith his claim that ALL racists are conservative.

So, you're saying you can't back up your claim and are a liar then? You know.....like a MAGAstani.
 
Racism is a right-leaning phenomenon. Most conservatives have disavowed racism, but that doesn't mean that racists aren't conservative any more than it means antifa is not liberal.

Racism is conservative because not being racist is new (liberal)...

You can’t CONSERVE equality when equality is a new idea...

If equality was the “tradition of the past” then being racist would be liberal, as it is the change in a new direction..

Most of conservatism is couched around creating alternative definitions for words that already have definitions and have for years..


That dynamic is at the root of all our problems..

None of our systems are perfect. That leaves conservatives arguing to protect broken systems...

Guess how you do that?? Lies and propaganda.


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So, you're saying you can't back up your claim and are a liar then? You know.....like a MAGAstani.


Is that what I'm saying? Thank God you are here to explain to me what I'm saying. Can you follow me around the board and explain my posts to me? That would be great. I appreciate it.
 
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