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Biden Clinches The Nomination

Conservative said:
LOL, surrounded by the right people? and who would that be?? ROFLMAO, were you totally oblivious to what went on during the 8 years of Obama? Your perception about Biden isn't based upon any ability to read or understand a resume

Your support for a multimillionaire public servant is staggering and out of touch with reality
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I was a fierce Obama critic and would take a public servant millionaire over a fake billionaire crybaby any day of the week.
 
avatar said:
Proof that it is possible to disagree with someone's politics without placing that person on the hate list. Thankyou.
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No thanks needed, but you're welcome! I'm sure I'm not alone.
 
Conservative said:
Different spending and different results, I have posted this over and over again only to be ignored, probably will happen again. Just a reminder Biden was part of the Obama results

There seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to debt and the results generated from that debt thus showing that all debt isn't equal. What exactly did the American taxpayers get out of the Obama debt??

1. The worst recovery from a major recession in modern history
2. Employment not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014
3. Record numbers of part time for economic reason employment meaning part time jobs thus lower taxpaying jobs
4. 500 billion average annual GDP growth for 8 years(4.0 Trillion GDP growth)
5. 9.3% U-6 Unemployment rate
6. Bail out of the pubic sector and claimed saved jobs which didn't generate the promised new jobs thus new taxpayers from 842 billion dollar shovel ready jobs stimulus

What have we gotten for the Trump debt

1. Strong economic growth, 900 billion average GDP growth 2017-2018-2019(2.7 trillion growth)
2. Employment of 6.6 million jobs created in 3 years vs. 6 million jobs created prior to taking office the last 9 years
3. 6.9% U-6 vs. 9.3% that he inherited
4. 1.4 million fewer part time for economic reason employees than inherited
5. 6% African American unemployment vs. the 8% inherited
6. Record state and local tax revenue due to consumer spending as a result of the tax cuts
7. No massive Gov't stimulus program pre pandemic

Looks to me like the Trump debt generated better return than Obama's, await your reply?
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You didn't tell me what he invested in. You just posted random small numbers about the economy. There are more issues that I raised you never went into any details about and just called fake news and opinions. So I will do the same to you here.
 
NeverTrump said:
You didn't tell me what he invested in. You just posted random small numbers about the economy. There are more issues that I raised you never went into any details about and just called fake news and opinions. So I will do the same to you here.
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Spending money and creating debt is an investment and what Obama did was bail out his base and public servants like teachers which aren't federal responsibilities. I gave you results and can provide you the official link for those results not that it will resonate with you
 
NeverTrump said:
I was a fierce Obama critic and would take a public servant millionaire over a fake billionaire crybaby any day of the week.
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Of course you will because rhetoric trumps reality and official results. This country wasn't built on the liberal ideology that Obama promoted and Biden will continue. The American electorate gets it, you probably never will
 
NeverTrump said:
1. Seems like Trump and Obama have different spending they should be blamed for according to you.

2. I live in NJ, and people have raised the issue here they are not happy about it.

3. I have no idea what this means, and what it has to do with the unemployment rate.

4. no he has 7 months to go. What exactly has he invested in?

5. So then you have no problem with the corona-virus stimulus bill huh? Interesting... I wonder if Obama did the same thing you would have a problem with it... Oh wait, I'm sure you did

6. That's not an answer to the question. What exactly is in Trump's Iran deal that is different than Obama's quote it.

7. Facebook propaganda is lazy. You demand I use official data and then post that crap? :lamo

8. Both and trump is responsible for it all!

9. peacefully protesting is not breaking the law. It's how this country was founded.

10. I'm voting for Biden because he's not Trump. He's doing better than Hillary did and he never had a scandal in 8 years in the Obama WH. He also doesn't wear silly orange makeup and doesn't bully people. He can also take a joke and isn't a twitter troll.
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Wanted to let you know that I am going to take a break from Debate politics for a while so if you want to claim victory, so be it, take that to a Starbucks add a few bucks and buy an Expresso. Too many negativity here and very little debate just name calling and diversion from reality and the thread topic. No one changes their minds here and not many are really capable of debating. Will reserve the right to return in the future but time to take a vacation from this forum.
 
PoS said:
The Dems embrace a guy they once called Hitler. Such arch hypocrites.

And Im not in the GOP, so better luck next time LOL
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You're not in the GOP, but defend them and their worthless leader every chance you get to "own the libs".

I know it's embarassing to be a Republican these days, but man up and admit what you are.

Also, Bush still sucks. I don't see anyone embracing him.
 
Conservative said:
Spending money and creating debt is an investment and what Obama did was bail out his base and public servants like teachers which aren't federal responsibilities. I gave you results and can provide you the official link for those results not that it will resonate with you
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Teachers should be getting paid what the President is paid.
 
Conservative said:
Wanted to let you know that I am going to take a break from Debate politics for a while so if you want to claim victory, so be it, take that to a Starbucks add a few bucks and buy an Expresso. Too many negativity here and very little debate just name calling and diversion from reality and the thread topic. No one changes their minds here and not many are really capable of debating. Will reserve the right to return in the future but time to take a vacation from this forum.
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I did not call you names but go ahead and run away, I doubt you really will. Public figures are fair game especially one who does the name calling himself.
 
Puigb said:
You're not in the GOP, but defend them and their worthless leader every chance you get to "own the libs".

I know it's embarassing to be a Republican these days, but man up and admit what you are.
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I dont have a stake in the GOP, so if you bash them I could care less lol. :mrgreen:

Also, Bush still sucks. I don't see anyone embracing him.
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The Lefty responses in this thread tells the opposite.

Chomsky said:
Well I can't speak for others. But I can speak for myself. Bush did a lot wrong, but he's nothing compared to Trump. Evaluated in the context of the times, he's palatable - which is why I'm happy to have him & his at my side. If he does or says something I believe is untoward, I'll raise my voice. I'll even support kicking him out, if need be. But until that time comes, I'm happy to give him & his a chance, as I'm willing to give a chance any Americans that appear sincere & reasonable. Why wouldn't I? Can I interest you?
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I disagree. Trump has a lot of faults, but a lot of the stuff people are blaming him for, like Covid-19 and the economy collapsing, is just beyond his control. Yeah, he's an asshole, but he's mostly just talk.

Dubya on the other hand, I hate him a lot. He started the invasion of Iraq and plunged us into a never ending war. Plus he had a direct hand in the economic crash in the last few years of his administration. He is an absolute idiot- and Trump is a genius compared to him. The only time I ever voted Democrat was when Kerry was running against him- that's how much I despised W.
 
roguenuke said:
From someone who supports a leading purveyor of Conspiracy Theories, such as Biden threatened to withhold an international loan to Ukraine to help his son, "missing" servers being in Ukraine, or Obama not being a US citizen. There was/is evidence to support at least some of the important allegations related both to Trumps team accepting assistance from Russian agents and Trump trying to withhold aid to Ukraine in exchange for agreement to investigate Biden and the DNC CTs he purports as facts.

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One would think you'd want to know the truth about the origins of the Russians hacking the DNC emails, for example. I suppose you're familiar with this link?Larry C. Johnson: Why Is Crowdstrike Confused on Eleven Key Details About the DNC Hack?

Do you know the Ukraine is investigating this very thing, right now, about the circumstances leading up to the firing of Shokin?

Obama could've debunked the conspiracy theory if he'd just shown his birth certificate from Hawaii before he was elected president. And, BTW, the Hillary campaign was the one who foisted that conspiracy theory about Obama's birth place on everyone. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Trump (as a Democrat) worked in coordination with the Hillary campaign against Obama for the dem nomination for president in 2008...That's my conspiracy theory, BTW...That Trump became involved in the quest for the origin for Obama's birth place as a favor to the Hillary campaign in 2008.

BTW, what legitimate evidence supported the allegations of the Trump administration helping the Russians in 2016?
 
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cabse5 said:
One would think you'd want to know the truth about the origins of the Russians hacking the DNC emails, for example. I suppose you're familiar with this link?Larry C. Johnson: Why Is Crowdstrike Confused on Eleven Key Details About the DNC Hack?

Do you know the Ukraine is investigating this very thing, right now, about the circumstances leading up to the firing of Shokin?

Obama could've debunked the conspiracy theory if he'd just shown his birth certificate from Hawaii before he was elected president. And, BTW, the Hillary campaign was the one who foisted that conspiracy theory about Obama's birth place on everyone. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Trump (as a Democrat) worked in coordination with the Hillary campaign against Obama for the dem nomination for president in 2008...That's my conspiracy theory, BTW...That Trump became involved in the quest for the origin for Obama's birth place as a favor to the Hillary campaign in 2008.

BTW, what evidence supported the allegations of the Trump administration helping the Russians in 2016?
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There are no "missing servers". I know how servers work, it would be completely stupid to have such things in Ukraine or think they even still exist if they truly proved to have anything incriminating about Dems on them. It isnt that difficult to destroy servers. It is a red herring, a CT.

Ukraine isn't truly investigating anything. They are playing political games because of our President.

Obama proved he was a US citizen but such things should never have been questioned in the first place without any actual evidence he wasnt.

Helping Russians? Don't believe that was said. Getting help from Russians or at least discussing it is available in Muellers report. His team welcomed such help. The report found basically it wasnt a crime within the statutes, but it doesnt mean it wasn't wrong.

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Perotista said:
LOL, What is biases, basically one's likes and dislikes. Granted G.W. doesn't particularly care for Trump. A lot of Americans don't particularly care for Trump. If you go to question 87 you'll find that 31% like Trump or are biased towards Trump while 50% dislike him or are biased against him. Perhaps the numbers that mean the most is 17% of all Americans like Trump a lot while 41% dislike Trump a lot.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/c00sty9kik/econTabReport.pdf

But yeah, whether G.W. likes or dislikes Trump doesn't mean much if anything. He has but one vote like all the rest of us. What does mean a lot is what all Americans think of Trump, whether they like him or dislike him. That very well could come into play in November.
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What a statement you've made, let me tell ya. Those who are biased against Trump are against Trump and those who are biased for Trump are for Trump.:roll:
 
roguenuke said:
There are no "missing servers". I know how servers work, it would be completely stupid to have such things in Ukraine or think they even still exist if they truly proved to have anything incriminating about Dems on them. It isnt that difficult to destroy servers. It is a red herring, a CT.

Ukraine isn't truly investigating anything. They are playing political games because of our President.

Obama proved he was a US citizen but such things should never have been questioned in the first place without any actual evidence he wasnt.

Helping Russians? Don't believe that was said. Getting help from Russians or at least discussing it is available in Muellers report. His team welcomed such help. The report found basically it wasnt a crime within the statutes, but it doesnt mean it wasn't wrong.

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Without explicitly saying Russians hacked the DNC emails and without explicitly saying Russians attempted to influence the 2016 election, are you aware that the FBI banked on the fact that Russians hacked the DNC emails and banked on the fact Russians tried to influence the 2016 election? Consequently, the FBI, primarily, investigated the Trump campaign who may have been in illicit contact with Russians to influence the 2016 election?
The FBI didn't, for example, investigate any body that may have been involved with KSA or the Ukraine, for example?...You get the fact the FBI thought the Russians hacked the DNC emails and attempted to influence the 2016 election w/o really saying it?
You also get the fact that the FBI never independently investigated the servers on which the alleged hacked DNC emails resided?...That the FBI used the report from Crowdstrike?

Do you also get the fact that the Mueller investigation explicitly said Russians hacked the DNC emails and that Russians attempted to influence the 2016 election? You get the fact that the Mueller investigation used the report from Crowdstrike and the Mueller investigation didn't independently investigate the servers on which the alleged hacked DMC emails resided?

Now, you also get the fact that Crowdstrike isn't sure if the Russians hacked the DNC emails?Larry C. Johnson: Why Is Crowdstrike Confused on Eleven Key Details About the DNC Hack?
 
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cabse5 said:
Without explicitly saying Russians hacked the DNC emails and without explicitly saying Russians attempted to influence the 2016 election, are you aware that the FBI banked on the fact that Russians hacked the DNC emails and banked on the fact Russians tried to influence the 2016 election? Consequently, the FBI, primarily, investigated the Trump campaign who may have been in illicit contact with Russians to influence the 2016 election?
The FBI didn't, for example, investigate any body that may have been involved with KSA or the Ukraine, for example?...You get the fact the FBI thought the Russians hacked the DNC emails and attempted to influence the 2016 election w/o really saying it?
You also get the fact that the FBI never independently investigated the servers on which the alleged hacked DNC emails resided?...That the FBI used the report from Crowdstrike?

Do you also get the fact that the Mueller investigation explicitly said Russians hacked the DNC emails and that Russians attempted to influence the 2016 election? You get the fact that the Mueller investigation used the report from Crowdstrike and the Mueller investigation didn't independently investigate the servers on which the alleged hacked DMC emails resided?

Now, you also get the fact that Crowdstrike isn't sure if the Russians hacked the DNC emails?Larry C. Johnson: Why Is Crowdstrike Confused on Eleven Key Details About the DNC Hack?
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Do you get the fact that nothing you in any way counters anything I posted and is just more conspiracy theory fodder?

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roguenuke said:
Do you get the fact that nothing you in any way counters anything I posted and is just more conspiracy theory fodder?

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Russians hacked the DNC emails is a conspiracy theory. The Trump campaign conspired with Russians to influence the 2016 election is another conspiracy theory.
 
PoS said:
I dont have a stake in the GOP, so if you bash them I could care less lol. :mrgreen:


The Lefty responses in this thread tells the opposite.
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Praising Bush as a person or wanting him to endorse Biden to cause friction with the Trump GOP doesn't meant he's being embraced. I thought Dubya sucked as a president, but I'd have a beer with the guy.
 
Puigb said:
Praising Bush as a person or wanting him to endorse Biden to cause friction with the Trump GOP doesn't meant he's being embraced. I thought Dubya sucked as a president, but I'd have a beer with the guy.
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No way would I have a beer with a war criminal, even if he buys.
 
Chomsky said:
I'd gladly welcome the Bush's into the fold. They're a noble & reputable family. Hell - bring any moderates and principled conservatives you know, G.W. The more, the merrier. I'd love to have a party that's a true big-tent party. It's been a dream of mine for the Democratic Party.
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Joe Biden is mentally unfit for office.

His handlers have turned him into Bernie Sanders.

And let’s not forget, like his former boss... he is corrupt to the core.
 
Conservative said:
Wanted to let you know that I am going to take a break from Debate politics for a while so if you want to claim victory, so be it,
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Victory!
 
cabse5 said:
Russians hacked the DNC emails is a conspiracy theory. The Trump campaign conspired with Russians to influence the 2016 election is another conspiracy theory.
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You havent shown it is a conspiracy theory. There is evidence that says that is wrong, that Russians were involved in hacking those emails and were also involved in trying to influence the 2016 election.

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