Why were hopsitals and state government so unprepared for the possibility of a pandemic?

I'm just asking. States manage themselves, they have their own bureaucracy and heads of departments. Hospitals are companies in the business of health care and they are for profit corporations. Why were these groups so unprepared for a disaster? I thought they all had disaster relief plans on hand. They practice for all sorts of scenarios so why so far behind in PPE and medical technology? Were they all going to expect the government to bail them out?
The government cannot take care of every state, every hospital at a moments notice, state's and hospitals should have been better stocked and more prepared for dealing with an event such as this.
We obviously screwed up by letting our manufacturing of medical supplies, equipment and pharmaceuticals out of the country. That is partly the government and partly business. I will say that state's like to run themselves. We have sanctuary cities that defy the federal laws in reference to immigration and legalized marijuana. So why are they allowed to do that and then blame the federal government for their unpreparedness to care for their state?
When this is over we need to tighten up on some of our overseas manufacturing and on compliance by states to federal law.

I see this is Trump supporters new angle of attack since yesterday to deflect criticism over his clear mishandling of the crisis, attack the states for being unprepared for something entire countries have been overwhelmed by in the greatest crisis the world has faced since WWII.

It's like attacking Delaware for not predicting and stopping Pearl Harbor.

Christ, it's amazing any Trump supporter made it into adulthood with this level of stupidity, I mean really.

The same reason that many (most?) homes lack functioning smoke detectors and fire extinguishers. Many (most?) simply discount having a fire in their home as being a low probability event - after all, how many folks do you know who had their house burn down? While home fires account for the majority (75%?) of US fire fatalities they are still rare events claiming 6500 lives annually in a nation of 330M - or less than 10% of "gun deaths" which most folks also do not take special measures to protect themselves from.

Jetboogieman said:

I see this is Trump supporters new angle of attack since yesterday to deflect criticism over his clear mishandling of the crisis, attack the states for being unprepared for something entire countries have been overwhelmed by in the greatest crisis the world has faced since WWII.

It's like attacking Delaware for not predicting and stopping Pearl Harbor.

Christ, it's amazing any Trump supporter made it into adulthood with this level of stupidity, I mean really.

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The new line is that Trump was tied up with impeachment..........

Jetboogieman said:

I see this is Trump supporters new angle of attack since yesterday to deflect criticism over his clear mishandling of the crisis, attack the states for being unprepared for something entire countries have been overwhelmed by in the greatest crisis the world has faced since WWII.

It's like attacking Delaware for not predicting and stopping Pearl Harbor.

Christ, it's amazing any Trump supporter made it into adulthood with this level of stupidity, I mean really.

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Nope, it's more like blaming FDR for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and occupation of Guam.

Jetboogieman said:

I see this is Trump supporters new angle of attack since yesterday to deflect criticism over his clear mishandling of the crisis, attack the states for being unprepared for something entire countries have been overwhelmed by in the greatest crisis the world has faced since WWII.

It's like attacking Delaware for not predicting and stopping Pearl Harbor.

Christ, it's amazing any Trump supporter made it into adulthood with this level of stupidity, I mean really.

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pass the buck


same ole, same ole.

Integrityrespec said:

I'm just asking. States manage themselves, they have their own bureaucracy and heads of departments. Hospitals are companies in the business of health care and they are for profit corporations. Why were these groups so unprepared for a disaster? I thought they all had disaster relief plans on hand. They practice for all sorts of scenarios so why so far behind in PPE and medical technology? Were they all going to expect the government to bail them out?
The government cannot take care of every state, every hospital at a moments notice, state's and hospitals should have been better stocked and more prepared for dealing with an event such as this.
We obviously screwed up by letting our manufacturing of medical supplies, equipment and pharmaceuticals out of the country. That is partly the government and partly business. I will say that state's like to run themselves. We have sanctuary cities that defy the federal laws in reference to immigration and legalized marijuana. So why are they allowed to do that and then blame the federal government for their unpreparedness to care for their state?
When this is over we need to tighten up on some of our overseas manufacturing and on compliance by states to federal law.

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Demand dictates supply of goods and services.

Fair question.

Emergency preparedness and response is based on level of need and urgency. Most cities and all states have emergency plans. All state plans follow essentially the same framework. Details as to how plans will be/are implemented vary. State plans are submitted to FEMA. All states participate in state and local emergency drills. After action studies are conducted and after action reports are written. Changes are made accordingly.

When the federal government is aware of possible threats to the nation and/or to states they notify state governments. The response planning and implementation follow the same protocl: local ==> state ==> federal.

We know that the federal government was informed of the threat of a pandemic and sat on it and downplayed it. We do not know, or I should say I don't know, if the federal government initially downplayed it to governors and state emergency planning and response agencies.

We do know that the Trump Administration downplayed it to the public. That, in turn, may well have hindered initial and appropriate preparedness at the state levels. Funding must be appropriated.

There is no denying that the federal government did not know how serious the virus had quickly become in China. How much of that information was shared at state level and when are questions for which we still do not have answers.

I will tell you this. If the federal government is publically downplaying an impending/probable national threat it makes it extremely difficult to gain critical public support for funding and implementing appropriate measures to prevent or mitigate the threat at the state level.

Integrityrespec said:

I'm just asking. States manage themselves, they have their own bureaucracy and heads of departments. Hospitals are companies in the business of health care and they are for profit corporations. Why were these groups so unprepared for a disaster? I thought they all had disaster relief plans on hand. They practice for all sorts of scenarios so why so far behind in PPE and medical technology? Were they all going to expect the government to bail them out?
The government cannot take care of every state, every hospital at a moments notice, state's and hospitals should have been better stocked and more prepared for dealing with an event such as this.
We obviously screwed up by letting our manufacturing of medical supplies, equipment and pharmaceuticals out of the country. That is partly the government and partly business. I will say that state's like to run themselves. We have sanctuary cities that defy the federal laws in reference to immigration and legalized marijuana. So why are they allowed to do that and then blame the federal government for their unpreparedness to care for their state?
When this is over we need to tighten up on some of our overseas manufacturing and on compliance by states to federal law.

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Maybe they took trump at his word that the whole thing was a hoax?

How dare you not just arbitrarily blame it all on Trump and the federal govt, like the majority of the "news" media and Democrats are doing!! Wait just one minute, are YOU a "Russian agent"? It sure seems that way!! Lol...

99percenter said:

Maybe they took trump at his word that the whole thing was a hoax?

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Really, you STILL believe that it was only Trump who initially thought that it wasn't going to be a huge pandemic, and that the media, the WHO and the Democrats had it right from day 1?? Seriously?? Trump took significant steps to reduce the spread of the virus, while most Dems and "journalists" were STILL telling people to keep going to public places! The WHO downplayed the virus, and some Dems and journalists were saying it wasn't going to be any worse than the common cold! I personally have posted threads with video PROOF of ALL of that and more! So have others, but you don't even have to take our words, you can search for yourself!

But judging by a lot of the claims made by some progressives here, I sincerely think that most just don't want to hear or acknowledge the truth. They just want to keep hating on people they don't like, while ignoring the failures, lies and incompetence of people they do like. But that's not a reasonable or legitimate way to make decisions.

ModerationNow! said:

Really, you STILL believe that it was only Trump who initially thought that it wasn't going to be a huge pandemic, and that the media, the WHO and the Democrats had it right from day 1?? Seriously?? Trump took significant steps to reduce the spread of the virus, while most Dems and "journalists" were STILL telling people to keep going to public places! The WHO downplayed the virus, and some Dems and journalists were saying it wasn't going to be any worse than the common cold! I personally have posted threads with video PROOF of ALL of that and more! So have others, but you don't even have to take our words, you can search for yourself!

But judging by a lot of the claims made by some progressives here, I sincerely think that most just don't want to hear or acknowledge the truth. They just want to keep hating on people they don't like, while ignoring the failures, lies and incompetence of people they do like. But that's not a reasonable or legitimate way to make decisions.

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The buck stops with the president. in the ends its trump responsibility.

It would be a kick in the butt to develop a flow chart depicting how the information was designed to travel and the responsibilities of each office/agency beginning at the White House and ending at local hospitals.

Compare that to the actual flow chart we have working now. There would be/are obvious gaps with some offices/agencies completely gone and others directed/staffed by political appointees with little to no experience in their respective jobs, to redundant, confusing, and sometimes competing efforts, and there would be cut-outs where there are no direct lines of responsibility but may be lines of authority - confusing everyone.