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Mr. Trump, please remember the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

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This is for Mr. Trump and in a lesser degree all Republicans. I'm a republican and a pretty staunch conservative. I was the first true Trump supporter way back when he first talked about running. I still support him and most of his policies and will vote for him in November because I think he is the best person running. Do I blindly support everthing he does or says. NO!
Today he said some dump stuff and despite my overall support I was pissed at his comments this morning.
Was I happy when I saw rep. Massie say he wasn't in support of the bill because of some of the provisions and the massive amount of the bill with its cost for every american. $6,000 per head is a lot of money to burden the taxpayers with and then to include things like the Kennedy Center and the Endowment for the Arts. If the tuxedo wearing cultural elite like those projects, great, but let them dig into their deep pockets to pay for it and not burden the tax payers, most of whom will never attend nor watch anything broadcast from those organizations. This is an emergency and those are not emergencies. If the rich like to go, they can easily support it with donations.

Also Mr. President. Republicans are not sheep. Democrats vote in block whichever way Queen Nancy tells them to vote or not vote. Republicans are independent thinkers and we debate the issues and come to reasonable compromise. We do not vote for waste of the taxpayer dollar just because we are told to do it. I support the bill, not nearly everything in it and I wish Republicans would not cave to democrat threats so easily. Democrats, led by Queen Nancy know they have the leverage to force waste and frivalous spending because Republicans will not hold out to stop it.
Mr. President, Rep. Massie should not be thrown out of the party because he dared to voice his displeasure for waste and extortion of taxpayer dollars. We should never be the democrat party where we blindly vote for expenditures or regulations that do not produce a benefit to the country in equal size to the cost.
Republicans need to move back to the conservative right, watch how they spend our money, fight for a strict budget and move to lowering the debt and come toward a balanced budget. That's who republicans are. Not sheep, not oblivious to the concerns of voters, and not overly burdensome of the american taxpayers pocketbook.
 
OP came out of the “Undisclosed” closet; feel better?
 
Why this COVID-19 pandemic event should require nearly a 50% increase in annual federal spending has not been (adequately) questioned and thus nobody has had to offer any explanation for it. Just looking at it from the cost/benefit perspective of the "directly to the workers" portion of this massive "crisis" spending bill, it is hard to imagine that borrowing and spending $1.5K for every US resident (about $500B for 330M people) in order to give the "typical 4 person household" $3.4K in "stimulus" makes any sense at all. That boils down to borrowing $6K to give each "typical family" $3.4K in direct benefits, or for each single adult person borrowing $1.5K to give him/her $1.2K in direct benefits.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Why this COVID-19 pandemic event should require nearly a 50% increase in annual federal spending has not been (adequately) questioned and thus nobody has had to offer any explanation for it. Just looking at it from the cost/benefit perspective of the "directly to the workers" portion of this massive "crisis" spending bill, it is hard to imagine that borrowing and spending $1.5K for every US resident (about $500B for 330M people) in order to give the "typical 4 person household" $3.4K in "stimulus" makes any sense at all. That boils down to borrowing $6K to give each "typical family" $3.4K in direct benefits, or for each single adult person borrowing $1.5K to give him/her $1.2K in direct benefits.
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er uh TT, I already gave you the explanation for the massive spending: a republican is president. I know you saw it, you tried to deflect from it.

Vern said:
don't get me wrong, I fully support the effort. Its what they should be doing but I just cant help but suspect its only because a republican is president. I don't see any protests, claims of hyperinflation,dollar collapse, market to zero. And not only are republicans no longer worried about deficits as they hope to prevent a depression, they seem to be mad that they cant spend it as fast as they want to. Golly, that's not how I remember them during the Great Bush Recession. And the ongoing negotiations only show more republican hypocrisy. Democrats are not "conspiring to obstruct" the stimulus. they are simply trying to put some adequate controls on how the money is spent. This would be common sense even if Trump wasn't president. Its even more important with him in office.
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Vern said:
er uh TT, I already gave you the explanation for the massive spending: a republican is president. I know you saw it, you tried to deflect from it.
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Hmm... the bill passed 96 to 0 - that was not republicants acting alone.
 
Why should the OP be taken seriously when he basically just stated falsehoods (that Dems always tow Party line, not even close to true) and Republicans dont act like that, think for themselves (treatment of McCain and Romney, and threats to primary anyone who went against Trump in several different matters speaks very differently to this)? While both Parties do tend to stand united, neither has any sort of perfect record for either having their members who are not "punished" or threatened for not towing the Party line at times, nor even for the opposite, respecting members for being different, voting their conscience vice Party politics.

Just a little to show the balance in what I'm talking about.

Tracking Congress In The Age Of Trump | FiveThirtyEight

And more info about it.

A Growing Cancer On Congress: The Curse Of Party-Line Voting

Party line vote absolutely affects both Parties. And it isnt just recently.

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ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... the bill passed 96 to 0 - that was not republicants acting alone.
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TT, I cant tell if you truly unaware of how your post has nothing to do with my post or if you're just trying to deflect. since my explanation was quite clear and you are able to read, I'm going to assume you're trying to deflect. But just in case you really cant follow a simple point, democrats are doing what they always do, put America first. they did it when Bush destroyed the economy. they're doing it again now. republicans are doing the exact opposite of what they did 12 years ago when they put deficits first. And not only are republicans perfectly happy to spend 2.5 times President Obama's stimulus, they were mad at democrats for making them wait to spend it.

Now try to focus (unless you were purposely trying deflect) and respond to the fact that republcians are doing the exact opposite of 12 years ago.
 
Vern said:
er uh TT, I already gave you the explanation for the massive spending: a republican is president. I know you saw it, you tried to deflect from it.
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The bill grew tremendously when the democrats started making demands in order to getting it past the House. If was at about $800 billion to begin with.
 
Integrityrespec said:
This is for Mr. Trump and in a lesser degree all Republicans. I'm a republican and a pretty staunch conservative. I was the first true Trump supporter way back when he first talked about running. I still support him and most of his policies and will vote for him in November because I think he is the best person running. Do I blindly support everthing he does or says. NO!
Today he said some dump stuff and despite my overall support I was pissed at his comments this morning.
Was I happy when I saw rep. Massie say he wasn't in support of the bill because of some of the provisions and the massive amount of the bill with its cost for every american. $6,000 per head is a lot of money to burden the taxpayers with and then to include things like the Kennedy Center and the Endowment for the Arts. If the tuxedo wearing cultural elite like those projects, great, but let them dig into their deep pockets to pay for it and not burden the tax payers, most of whom will never attend nor watch anything broadcast from those organizations. This is an emergency and those are not emergencies. If the rich like to go, they can easily support it with donations.

Also Mr. President. Republicans are not sheep. Democrats vote in block whichever way Queen Nancy tells them to vote or not vote. Republicans are independent thinkers and we debate the issues and come to reasonable compromise. We do not vote for waste of the taxpayer dollar just because we are told to do it. I support the bill, not nearly everything in it and I wish Republicans would not cave to democrat threats so easily. Democrats, led by Queen Nancy know they have the leverage to force waste and frivalous spending because Republicans will not hold out to stop it.
Mr. President, Rep. Massie should not be thrown out of the party because he dared to voice his displeasure for waste and extortion of taxpayer dollars. We should never be the democrat party where we blindly vote for expenditures or regulations that do not produce a benefit to the country in equal size to the cost.
Republicans need to move back to the conservative right, watch how they spend our money, fight for a strict budget and move to lowering the debt and come toward a balanced budget. That's who republicans are. Not sheep, not oblivious to the concerns of voters, and not overly burdensome of the american taxpayers pocketbook.
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Good luck with all of that now that the Administration is going to approve more than $6 trillion in support of the economy.
If Trump pulls us out of this mess and people get back to work, then he deserves to be re-elected.
I don't want Biden to spend billions trying to support AOC's dumb Green New Deal.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Why this COVID-19 pandemic event should require nearly a 50% increase in annual federal spending has not been (adequately) questioned and thus nobody has had to offer any explanation for it. Just looking at it from the cost/benefit perspective of the "directly to the workers" portion of this massive "crisis" spending bill, it is hard to imagine that borrowing and spending $1.5K for every US resident (about $500B for 330M people) in order to give the "typical 4 person household" $3.4K in "stimulus" makes any sense at all. That boils down to borrowing $6K to give each "typical family" $3.4K in direct benefits, or for each single adult person borrowing $1.5K to give him/her $1.2K in direct benefits.
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It comes under the heading of "something had to be done".
Both parties want to take credit for supporting the economy.
And to hell with the increase in the deficit.
That's like parents spending excessive amounts for Christmas presents because, after all, Christmas.
Let's worry about the credit card debt later.
 
jaypatriot said:
Good luck with all of that now that the Administration is going to approve more than $6 trillion in support of the economy.
If Trump pulls us out of this mess and people get back to work, then he deserves to be re-elected.
I don't want Biden to spend billions trying to support AOC's dumb Green New Deal.
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Oh, don't overreact to what I said. I think the Bill was needed but I think we overpaid because of add ons. I'm more concerned with the "throw rep. Massie out of the Republican party " comment than the bill. I don't usually get bothered by Trumps comments but this morning was an exception, just plain stupid in my book. Massie expressed a conservative veiwpoint, one that many republicans are voicing as well and he has every right to do so. Throwing him out because he didn't follow orders is just silly. He drew attention to the problems in the bill and with our politicians.
 
jaypatriot said:
It comes under the heading of "something had to be done".
Both parties want to take credit for supporting the economy.
And to hell with the increase in the deficit.
That's like parents spending excessive amounts for Christmas presents because, after all, Christmas.
Let's worry about the credit card debt later.
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There is one huge difference - the parents actually have to repay that debt using their own income not the kids who got the presents.
 
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