DNC Needs To Replace Biden Now!

CaughtInThe said:

Trump has said a gazillion totally crazy things and lies every day. And he WON.

One could argue that it's required these days.

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Well, hopefully enough Americans will realize Trump is loonier and Biden finds a way to win the EC. But how many voters will say, "Both of these guys are loony tunes, I'm not even going to bother..." when normally they'd be going for the Democratic nominee. I'm not just talking Bernie fans either.

Biden will do as he is told. If the medical science world came to Biden and said, "we have a problem", Biden would poop his adult underwear, fire a shotgun blast off the porch and people would get to work. He wouldn't use it as an opportunity to play victim.

Geoist said:

It is not my question to answer. The DNC created this problem and it is their problem to figure out. I'm a Bernie guy so I get no say in who the DNC picks.

And you didn't answer my questions: Have you seen the interviews? Do they give you hope of ousting Trump?

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#4MOREYEARSOFTRUMP!

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Redress said:

The DNC does not pick who runs or wins. So have you figured out how to answer any of the questions posed. They are kinda key to the premise of the thread.

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The DNC absolutely plays favorites based on their agenda. They don't directly pick but they have huge sway. I already stated I don't have the answers. It is a cluster**** the DNC and Biden voters have gotten themselves into and they need to figure something out.

Geoist said:

1) Obviously the fairest way to replace him is to have the 2nd place finisher (Bernie) as the nominee. And I know I'd get a lot of **** from my fellow centrist liberals for saying that. :lamo




2) Because it is still better than having the narcissist-in-chief. At least, for Biden, there'd be a chance for enacting the 25th Amendment.

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1) That would look better, but would pose two problems: how to declare Biden ineligible (in favor of an "independent" who is an avowed socialist) and greatly reduce any chance of beating Trump since many true independents refuse to vote for an avowed socialist.

2) Actually, that idea (dump Biden, but after the election) is a much better solution since it promotes the VP and allows their appointment of a new VP. The DNC leadership then only has to convince Joe "Where am I?" Biden to accept their recommendation for VP.

Redress said:

The DNC does not run his campaign. This is not hard stuff, I don’t know why you struggle with it.

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You don't think his campaign is in constant talks with the DNC? You think they are both on their own isolated islands? Really?!

Geoist said:

The DNC absolutely plays favorites based on their agenda. They don't directly pick but they have huge sway. I already stated I don't have the answers. It is a cluster**** the DNC and Biden voters have gotten themselves into and they need to figure something out.

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You remind me of Sanders supporters, always crying about how unfair it is that people vote for the other guy.

Redress said:

You remind me of Sanders supporters, always crying about how unfair it is that people vote for the other guy.

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Even though I am a Sanders supporter my #1 goal is to remove Trump. Sad that has to be the platform but that is the first step to getting on the right track. It's unfair people have different preferences? Where do you get that?

Redress said:

And replace him with who exactly? How would you go about this? What are you going to tell people who prefer Biden and voted for him? Did you think any of this out? Or is this just a knee jerk reaction to some video?

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So now you might know how Trump supporters and voters felt when the Democrats tried to null his election with all the Putin and Ukraine crap.

Of course to some, their efforts weren't "knee-jerk" at all. :2razz:

Redress said:

And replace him with who exactly? How would you go about this? What are you going to tell people who prefer Biden and voted for him? Did you think any of this out? Or is this just a knee jerk reaction to some video?

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I think it may be a knee jerk reaction to 50% of Joe's public utterances over the last 6 months. If he was on his game, he would be out daily with how he would handle this current situation, he would want to debate Sanders and get the free press for a day. His handlers are worried about him, and have been keeping him hidden through most of these primaries. Trump will eat him alive in the fall.

If the DNC wants Trump for another 4 years, the best way is to put Biden up against him. There is no guarantee that Bernie will beat Trump but his chances are much better. It is unlikely Bernie would be able to come through on many (any?) of his promises but at least he will excite the base enough to come out and work/support/vote for him.

I realize DNC elites are worried that they will not get any of the good jobs under Bernie, but they won't under Trump either.

trixare4kids said:

I think we can afford another four years of President Trump, but yeah, time for Biden's family to intercede and get help for Joe Biden.
The Democratic Party is also out in left field. I have to wonder why they are allowing him to speak publicly. His decline is rapid.

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Possibly they're getting smarter. They have ruled out further debates.

Redress said:

You remind me of Sanders supporters, always cryinLg about how unfair it is that people vote for the other guy.

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So much irony in the above statement but this time, I'm looking at the people who think Hillary should have won the election.

jimbo said:

Possibly they're getting smarter. They have ruled out further debates.

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I agree that it is a smart move but watch the Trump campaign push for the debates for the same exact reason, the Dems. don't want Joe to debate.
I don't see this as a win-win for Uncle Joe.

ttwtt78640 said:

Yep, how could the DNC (elite?) leadership possibly accept one of the (mistakenly preferred?) top two choices of their electorate? After all, demorat party leadership has no real connection to (affinity for?) democracy - they know that mere voters have been given far too much power and that it has caused them serious problems. They must insert a smooth talking puppet to carry out their (behind the scenes) orders - they must no longer allow everyday people to choose a "wrong thinking" candidate.

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I am just saying, I do not trust the DNC nor do I trust some of their leadership in Congress.

Geoist said:

You don't think his campaign is in constant talks with the DNC? You think they are both on their own isolated islands? Really?!

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Moreso than the Sanders campaign? Got any evidence to back that up?

trixare4kids said:

So now you might know how Trump supporters and voters felt when the Democrats tried to null his election with all the Putin and Ukraine crap.

Of course to some, their efforts weren't "knee-jerk" at all. :2razz:

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Nobody tried to "null his election". That is plain old stupid.

rjay said:

I think it may be a knee jerk reaction to 50% of Joe's public utterances over the last 6 months. If he was on his game, he would be out daily with how he would handle this current situation, he would want to debate Sanders and get the free press for a day. His handlers are worried about him, and have been keeping him hidden through most of these primaries. Trump will eat him alive in the fall.

If the DNC wants Trump for another 4 years, the best way is to put Biden up against him. There is no guarantee that Bernie will beat Trump but his chances are much better. It is unlikely Bernie would be able to come through on many (any?) of his promises but at least he will excite the base enough to come out and work/support/vote for him.

I realize DNC elites are worried that they will not get any of the good jobs under Bernie, but they won't under Trump either.

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Yeah, Sanders can't even beat Biden, but he is more likely to beat Trump.

Sure, sure.

:lamo

Geoist said:

Thought he was bad in the debates and on the campaign trail... but his online ramblings and media interviews are a clusterf***! We cannot afford another 4 years of Trump. Biden seems closer to moving into a retirement home than he is the White House. I hope to God I'm wrong. If Biden is still the nominee in November I'll be voting for him because that is just how bad Trump really is. But this is not a good situation.

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With who?

Certainly not Bernie. "The people" already chose Biden over him.

So who else?

OrphanSlug said:

I would not rule out the DNC establishment going into a corner at the convention and deciding to go another way since this Biden / Sanders fiasco is full tilt now.

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I don't know what will happen. The reason Biden has surged ahead is he has been deemed most electable by those who have voted so far. The polls in favorable/unfavorable also back that up. Biden is much stronger in swing states than Sanders. We really don't have enough to go on how the rest of the field when there were 10 or so would fair in the swing states because they were so unknown.

Right now Biden is ahead in Wisconsin and Ohio over Trump, Sanders trails Trump. In most of the swing states Biden does an average of 4 points better than Sanders against Trump. Although nationwide they're about even in their head to head vs. Trump.

I always thought that since 1976 when we went to the modern primary system the idea was to let the voters decide who would be the nominee. What I'm seeing is a lot of Sanders supporters unwilling to support Biden. I think they would be unwilling to support anyone else other than Sanders as 2016 proved in the general election. 89% of Democrats voted for Hillary, only 75% of Sanders supporters did. Who knows how many Sanders supporters stayed home and said to heck with it? I know my grand daughter was one who stayed home. She was a huge Sanders supporter in 2016.

How would the DNC choose a different candidate and who would that be? It would have to be someone other than Sanders, Biden has trounced him. Sanders in reality doesn't have a path to the nomination anymore. In fact it would have to be someone who wasn't in the original Democratic field as they were already rejected by the Democratic Primary voters. Would whoever replaces Biden via a dictate from the DNC leave a lot of Biden's supporters angry? Would they or some of them say to heck with it also ala Sanders supporters in 2016? Add those disaffected and angry Biden supporters to the angry Sanders supporters, that could add up to a really bad defeat.

I suppose the bottom line here is, do we let the voters decide or do we go back to the smoke filled rooms letting the DNC and other Democratic party bigwigs decide who their nominee will be?

Redress said:

Yeah, Sanders can't even beat Biden, but he is more likely to beat Trump.

Sure, sure.

:lamo

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Exactly.

Someone that is losing every single county in Florida and Michigan right now, has next to no chance against Trump in the general.

Bernie's most ideological fanboys are truly as deluded as Trump supporters.

Redress said:

Nobody tried to "null his election". That is plain old stupid.

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Null him, meaning get him out of office by a fantasy impeachment charge...
Nothing stupid about the truth.

rjay said:

I think it may be a knee jerk reaction to 50% of Joe's public utterances over the last 6 months. If he was on his game, he would be out daily with how he would handle this current situation, he would want to debate Sanders and get the free press for a day. His handlers are worried about him, and have been keeping him hidden through most of these primaries. Trump will eat him alive in the fall.

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Speaking of 'on his game,' if he was smart, as you imply, he'd limit all 'off the cuff' and debate style public appearances. He'll have to deal with The Donald in those debates anyway.

But he's been speaking online about the current cv crisis, and been really reassuring and sounding solid and well-informed. I'm not even sure if he has notes in front of him but he's been excellent, just sitting there speaking to America, and being very effective and articulate. Even being positive about how much of the current situation is being handled.

Nothing like the bumbling, gratuitous 2nd grade speak coming out of The Donald.

trixare4kids said:

I agree that it is a smart move but watch the Trump campaign push for the debates for the same exact reason, the Dems. don't want Joe to debate.
I don't see this as a win-win for Uncle Joe.

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I haven't seen much win win for Joe. Yet he's the probable Dem candidate. Which to me is more a reflection of the other possible Democratic candidates. Trump is not a particularly good debater, but he would masssacre Biden.

washunut said:

DNC is way ahead of you. Do you think them building up Cuomo is an accident.

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Yes, let's make president the man who has the very worst record of any state dealing with the pandemic.

mike2810 said:

So when will the Republican Party move to come up with a candidate to replace Trump. Seems nothing is happening on that side.
OP who would you like to see to replace Biden at this stage of the election process?

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Why would Republicans think Trump needs replacing?