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Am I the only one who's noticed that republicans are sparing no expense to rescue the economy?

marke said:
I think practically no democrats and precious few republicans understand that the end of decades of ballooning deficit spending with never any reductions in debt will end in bankruptcy. It is also sad that so few republicans and practically no ignorant gullible democrats recognize that democrats have been voter frauding themselves into power for decades.
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Oh marke, you've proven you quite intelligent. You don't get to pretend to be confused like luther (see above). Luther is in a distraught emotional state and his flailing proves it. You know exactly what you're posting is dishonest. the thread is not about your obedient (and paid) comments that "democrats bad". Its about the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans for happily voting for something 2.5 times President Obama's stimulus. they let more Americans suffer and suffer longer for their political agenda 12 years ago and you cant deny ir. In fact, you cant even come up with a way to comment on it so your job requires you to deflect.
 
Luther said:
Keep the faith partisan
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Luther, you demanded I answer your deflecting questions. Now you cowardly cut and run from me asking you to explain your post. this only proves your hypocrisy. And I was even nice enough to prevent you from posting "wah wah you don't answer questions". your welcome
 
Vern said:
FK, I mentioned the Great Bush Recession. The great Bush Recession started on his watch. That meets all conservative standards to call it the Great Bush Recession. But since you're back. Why don't we discuss the thread topic or you dishonestly pretending to not remember republicans attacking everything President Obama did to end the Great Bush Recession and help the economy. Or you can just continue to fixate on me.
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It did start on while he was President but that's an idiotic way to label it, as I've proven to you again and again. I could easily say the Dems controlled Congress so it started on their watch. And since the President is only the executive, responsible for carrying out the laws that Congress puts before him, the responsibility lays at the feet of Congress.

Of course, that's still an idiotic way to look at it, because you actually have to look to see what policies actually lead to the housing market collapse and who supported those policies. And I've proven to you, time and again, that the significant majority of it was on the Dems. So it's the Democrat Great Recession.

Again, you're the one that brought it up with your OP, as I've just demonstrated.
 
Fishking said:
It did start on while he was President but that's an idiotic way to label it, as I've proven to you again and again. I could easily say the Dems controlled Congress so it started on their watch. And since the President is only the executive, responsible for carrying out the laws that Congress puts before him, the responsibility lays at the feet of Congress.

Of course, that's still an idiotic way to look at it, because you actually have to look to see what policies actually lead to the housing market collapse and who supported those policies. And I've proven to you, time and again, that the significant majority of it was on the Dems. So it's the Democrat Great Recession.

Again, you're the one that brought it up with your OP, as I've just demonstrated.
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oh I'm sorry fk, I still get a chuckle that you think you've proven me wrong let alone "again and again" about the Bush Mortgage Bubble. Again, happening on Bush's watch meets all conservative standards. And of course you could say "Dems controlled Congress so it started on their watch". Conservatives do say that for the Great Bush Recession. But you cant say it for the Bush Mortgage Bubble because that started on Bush's watch when republicans controlled congress. Bush told you it started on his watch. So that proves "the democrat's baby" is just another conservative lie.

So I'll type this as slow as possible, I did not bring up the Bush Mortgage Bubble. You did. We both know the mortgage bubble caused the Great Bush recession and you know I blame bush's policies ( Well actually I've proven it was bush's policies) so you started whining about the Bush Mortgage Bubble. And you did that even before you dishonestly pretended to not know that republicans attacked everything President Obama did to help the economy. Which is the exact opposite of what they are doing now. Which proves my point about the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans. Its why you have to resort to dishonesty to reply.
 
Vern said:
oh I'm sorry fk, I still get a chuckle that you think you've proven me wrong let alone "again and again" about the Bush Mortgage Bubble. Again, happening on Bush's watch meets all conservative standards. And of course you could say "Dems controlled Congress so it started on their watch". Conservatives do say that for the Great Bush Recession. But you cant say it for the Bush Mortgage Bubble because that started on Bush's watch when republicans controlled congress. Bush told you it started on his watch. So that proves "the democrat's baby" is just another conservative lie.

So I'll type this as slow as possible, I did not bring up the Bush Mortgage Bubble. You did. We both know the mortgage bubble caused the Great Bush recession and you know I blame bush's policies ( Well actually I've proven it was bush's policies) so you started whining about the Bush Mortgage Bubble. And you did that even before you dishonestly pretended to not know that republicans attacked everything President Obama did to help the economy. Which is the exact opposite of what they are doing now. Which proves my point about the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans. Its why you have to resort to dishonesty to reply.
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The red is just empty rhetoric and is dismissed. The bold is just factually wrong. Has been wrong, always will be wrong. I just gotta laugh at the blatant dishonesty here. You put the lie to your own words and condemn yourself. When you can't even be honest with what you are saying yourself then, of course, it would be wise to dismiss most anything you have to say on other subjects.

Your claim is that you didn't bring up the "Bush Mortgage Bubble", you merely brought up the "Bush Great Recession"...oh, but what do we have admitted by your own words, right after the denial?

We both know the mortgage bubble caused the Great Bush recession and you know I blame bush's policies...
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By your own words, the "Bush Great Recession" was caused by the mortgage bubble, and you blame Bush's policies. Game, set, match. You most definitely are speaking about the same exact thing, the housing bubble, and I've proven your wrong on that many times as well. Again, Ron Paul had predicted this in 2001, Bush had just been sworn into office. The creation of the GSAs that exacerbated the poor banking practices forced by the CRA that the Dems pushed lead up to this and had nothing to do with Bush.
 
Fishking said:
The red is just empty rhetoric and is dismissed. The bold is just factually wrong. Has been wrong, always will be wrong. I just gotta laugh at the blatant dishonesty here. You put the lie to your own words and condemn yourself. When you can't even be honest with what you are saying yourself then, of course, it would be wise to dismiss most anything you have to say on other subjects.

Your claim is that you didn't bring up the "Bush Mortgage Bubble", you merely brought up the "Bush Great Recession"...oh, but what do we have admitted by your own words, right after the denial?



By your own words, the "Bush Great Recession" was caused by the mortgage bubble, and you blame Bush's policies. Game, set, match. You most definitely are speaking about the same exact thing, the housing bubble, and I've proven your wrong on that many times as well. Again, Ron Paul had predicted this in 2001, Bush had just been sworn into office. The creation of the GSAs that exacerbated the poor banking practices forced by the CRA that the Dems pushed lead up to this and had nothing to do with Bush.
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Fk, I realize your obessing about me is just a dishonest dodge to not discuss the flaming lying hypocrisy of repubicans and you dishonestly pretending to not remember republicans attacking everything President Obama did to end the Great Bush Recession and help the economy. Why is integrity never an option for you people?
 
Vern said:
Fk, I realize your obessing about me is just a dishonest dodge to not discuss the flaming lying hypocrisy of repubicans and you dishonestly pretending to not remember republicans attacking everything President Obama did to end the Great Bush Recession and help the economy. Why is integrity never an option for you people?
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I just showed you your ass with your own words. Someone with a bit more self-awareness would be embarrassed enough to go away but, here you are...
 
Fishking said:
I just showed you your ass with your own words. Someone with a bit more self-awareness would be embarrassed enough to go away but, here you are...
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I'm going to type this as slowly as possible. I mentioned the Great Bush Recession. I didn't mention the Bush Mortgage Bubble. Yes I believe (because I've proven) that Bush is responsible for the Bush Mortgage Bubble but there was no reason for you to flail, whine and lie about it. Every time I mention the invasion of Iraq, there is no reason for you flail, whine and lie because I've proven bush lied us into Iraq. Every time I mention 9-11 there is no reason for you to flail, whine and lie that I've proven bush ignored the clear and repeated warnings because he had a secret day 1 agenda to invade Iraq. See how that works.

so again, I didn't bring up the Bush Mortgage Bubble. You did. I mentioned the Great Bush Recession. And again, you dishonestly pretended to not know that republicans attacked everything President Obama did to end the Great Bush Recession and improve the economy. That's actually thread related. your lies about the Bush Mortgage Bubble are not thread related. Try to focus and be honest for once.

And fyi, you're fixated on me and the Bush Mortgage Bubble because you know I'm right.
 
Vern said:
I'm going to type this as slowly as possible. I mentioned the Great Bush Recession.
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And I'll say this really slow for you. Oh wait...no, you'll say it really slow for yourself.

Vern said:
I did not bring up the Bush Mortgage Bubble. You did. We both know the mortgage bubble caused the Great Bush recession and you know I blame bush's policies...
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You're running around flapping your arms like, "I didn't say John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln. I just said that Lincoln was shot and that Booth had the smoking gun in his hand. WHY ARE YOU FIXATED ON ME?!?!"

Rolf...freaking hilarious.
 
Fishking said:
I just showed you your ass with your own words. Someone with a bit more self-awareness would be embarrassed enough to go away but, here you are...
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Has Vern called you dishonest or a coward yet?

He loves to use those words.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Has Vern called you dishonest or a coward yet?

He loves to use those words.
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No...he's sticking with me saying I'm fixated on him. I'll remain content to use his own words against him.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Watch out for the coward word.......my god it's sharp!
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Super sharp. I know that between being in the second rotation in Iraq, doing a tour in Afghanistan, and being called a coward by a self-contradictory forum poster I think I feel the latter more than the two former things.
 
Taylor said:
Isn't their bill hundreds of billions dollars less than the one proposed by Democrats?
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As long as we cover the big things, more can be spent as its needed. The democrat plan was nothing more than political posturing with far more pork to entities that never needed it, only meant to delay the president's plans, something voters will not easily forgive democrats for in the middle of this panic.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No they aren't.

Here are the plans:

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Which plan do YOU think is better?
That's what the big kerfuffle is about...that's what Mitch McConnell's big hissy fit is about.
Don't let ANYONE tell ANYONE otherwise.
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*Pelosi's hissy fit. Don't forget who delayed the stimulus TWICE. It wasn't McConnell, it was her. Had she cared, she would have passed the republican bill, and then offer her own afterwords if she thinks the economy needs more funding. You don't delay for...what...2-3 weeks? over an economic stimulus in an international panic.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Has Vern called you dishonest or a coward yet?

He loves to use those words.
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Rn, since you're here and commenting, I did call him dishonest. In his very first post, he brought up the Bush Mortgage Bubble and (read this slowly) dishonestly pretended to not know about republicans attacking everything President Obama did to help the economy. But he says I brought up the Bush Mortgage Bubble. He knows I blame bush for the mortgage bubble so in his world if I mention the Great Bush Recession then it means I'm bringing up the Bush Mortgage Bubble. I blame bush for lying us into Iraq so does that mean every time I mention Iraq it means I'm discussing bush's lies that killed hundreds of thousands of people? See my point? probably not.

And in addition to his claiming I brought up the Bush Mortgage Bubble and his thread related dishonesty of pretending to not remember republicans attacking everything President Obama did to help the economy he also claims " every bit of actual information is not on your side of this" and he's proven me wrong "again and again". Like a lot of cons, when he really really really wants to believe something, it is magically true. Case in point, wouldn't you call Bush's Working Group on Financial Markets telling you the problems started in late 2004 a piece of actual information "on my side"? an honest person would. Anyhoo, here's FK's first post in this thread so you can judge his lack of honesty for yourself.

Fishking said:
1. I'm unaware of a "Great Bush Recession". I'm aware of a Great Democrat-created Housing Recession though.

2. They passed a bunch of stimulus while Bush was still in office, just at the end, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

You seem to struggle with basic historical realities.
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Idontbelonghere said:
Well, you hang on to those facts with everything you have then. Someone needs to find your vast knowledge and understanding of economics useful. It might as well be you.

For what it’s worth, your facts aren’t wrong. They’re just the facts that you use to fit your narrative. Why you choose to refuse to accept that both parties played their role and work together to create the bubbles simply paints you as more loyal to party than truth. Well done comrade.
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ID, where'd you go. I was looking forward to discussing the Bush Mortgage Bubble with you. Anyhoo, I can refute FK's tired youtube of 10 second sound bites. In spite of being 10 second sound bites, he still had to "misparaphrase" what Maxine said. She said nothing about "pushing housing loans to those who wouldn't normally afford it". Also, he overlooks that Freddie and fannie didn't cause the Bush Mortgage bubble. But if someone wants to blame Freddie and Fannie, they should blame bush and the republican congress (yea, Maxine wasn't in charge). If you actually went to the thread I pointed you to, you'd see Bush's GSE policies like reversing the Clinton rule that restricted their purchases of loans made without the borrowers ability to repay, increasing their housing goals, etc. Oh and Bush stopped GSE reform. Twice. Not that GSEs or the lack of reform caused the Bush Mortgage Bubble but if that is your position is it was caused by them then you cant ignore his policies.

I know people get mad at me for blaming bush but when you preempt all state laws against predatory lending right before a predatory bubble starts, its kinda hard to ignore. He also relaxed capital requirements at investment banks. You know, Lehman Bros, Bear Stearns etc. More money with lower standards seemed to not work out so good. Anyhoo, there were just so many Bush policies its hard to list them in one post. Hey, I know, you should skim through my FAQ thread.

Vern said:
I still see alot of misconceptions about the Bush Mortgage Bubble and the Bush policies that encouraged, funde and protected it so I thought I would start an FAQ section. Since the resulting destruction of the housing and financial sector are still a drag on the economy today, it seems relevent

Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush’s President’s Working Group on Financial Markets October 2008

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/fin-mkts/Documents/q4progress update.pdf
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Vern said:
ID, where'd you go. I was looking forward to discussing the Bush Mortgage Bubble with you. Anyhoo, I can refute FK's tired youtube of 10 second sound bites. In spite of being 10 second sound bites, he still had to "misparaphrase" what Maxine said. She said nothing about "pushing housing loans to those who wouldn't normally afford it". Also, he overlooks that Freddie and fannie didn't cause the Bush Mortgage bubble. But if someone wants to blame Freddie and Fannie, they should blame bush and the republican congress (yea, Maxine wasn't in charge). If you actually went to the thread I pointed you to, you'd see Bush's GSE policies like reversing the Clinton rule that restricted their purchases of loans made without the borrowers ability to repay, increasing their housing goals, etc. Oh and Bush stopped GSE reform. Twice. Not that GSEs or the lack of reform caused the Bush Mortgage Bubble but if that is your position is it was caused by them then you cant ignore his policies.

I know people get mad at me for blaming bush but when you preempt all state laws against predatory lending right before a predatory bubble starts, its kinda hard to ignore. He also relaxed capital requirements at investment banks. You know, Lehman Bros, Bear Stearns etc. More money with lower standards seemed to not work out so good. Anyhoo, there were just so many Bush policies its hard to list them in one post. Hey, I know, you should skim through my FAQ thread.
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Cling to the narrative! Other team bad. Your team flawless and blameless.

When you’re serious about a discussion about economics, I’ll be here.
 
Idontbelonghere said:
Cling to the narrative! Other team bad. Your team flawless and blameless.

When you’re serious about a discussion about economics, I’ll be here.
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Yea, I figured you'd make an excuse to cut and run. when all you've posted in response to documented facts is "nuh uh" and "I'm a realtor", you're pretty much going to be looking for an excuse to cut and run. And don't forget, you called the President's Working Group on Financial Markets an "article". And you posted as if it was the only thing I posted.

Idontbelonghere said:
I know you found an article that supports your narrative and that you must cling to it for dear life. God forbid you be wrong. But you are. The collapse was, in fact, systemic - exactly like this one is.
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yea, I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up.
 
Sparing no expense to bail out the banks. If they were truly sparing no expense they'd be putting more money in the average Joe or Jane's pocket.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Has Vern called you dishonest or a coward yet?

He loves to use those words.
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If he regularly accuses you of dishonesty in posting, there's probably a reason and it wouldn't be the one you would claim.
 
Mr Person said:
If he regularly accuses you of dishonesty in posting, there's probably a reason and it wouldn't be the one you would claim.
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Classic stuff coming from you Mr. Person.

The same person who smears a entire voting block and whines when anyone tosses a ad hom.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Classic stuff coming from you Mr. Person.

The same person who smears a entire voting block and whines when anyone tosses a ad hom.
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See, that's dishonest. I'm sure you can find a post where I slipped up, but I generally make clear that when I speak of "Trumpists" or "conservatives", I'm only speaking of a portion of DP groups of that character, not all.

It's not my fault if 98% of DP conservatives watch and regurgitate Sean Hannity. It's not my fault if they all show up and say the literal same thing each morning-afternoon that Hannity et. al. said the night before.

Don't want to be called a spade? Stop being a spade.
 
Vern said:
Rn, since you're here and commenting, I did call him dishonest. In his very first post, he brought up the Bush Mortgage Bubble and (read this slowly) dishonestly pretended to not know about republicans attacking everything President Obama did to help the economy. But he says I brought up the Bush Mortgage Bubble. He knows I blame bush for the mortgage bubble so in his world if I mention the Great Bush Recession then it means I'm bringing up the Bush Mortgage Bubble. I blame bush for lying us into Iraq so does that mean every time I mention Iraq it means I'm discussing bush's lies that killed hundreds of thousands of people? See my point? probably not.

And in addition to his claiming I brought up the Bush Mortgage Bubble and his thread related dishonesty of pretending to not remember republicans attacking everything President Obama did to help the economy he also claims " every bit of actual information is not on your side of this" and he's proven me wrong "again and again". Like a lot of cons, when he really really really wants to believe something, it is magically true. Case in point, wouldn't you call Bush's Working Group on Financial Markets telling you the problems started in late 2004 a piece of actual information "on my side"? an honest person would. Anyhoo, here's FK's first post in this thread so you can judge his lack of honesty for yourself.
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You didn't bring it up? Hmmm...let me review your own words.

Vern said:
I did not bring up the Bush Mortgage Bubble. You did. We both know the mortgage bubble caused the Great Bush recession and you know I blame bush's policies...
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Oh...there we go.
 
danielpalos said:
Only in right wing fantasy. Eminent domain is a form of socialism.
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It’s a right wing fantasy that people do what they want with their things? OK. [emoji2369]

Eminent domain is a form of socialism. OK. [emoji2369]
 
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