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Am I the only one who's noticed that republicans are sparing no expense to rescue the economy?

Integrityrespec said:
Did you also notice the democrats are standing in the way so they can take advantage of trillions of dollars meant for relief to use on liberal wish list that have nothing to do with the Virus or the economic aid?

Democrats playing liberal politics at cost of citizens lives.

Democrats were not on the Hill today. Pelosi sent them home to let Republicans stew over their proposal. Not One Democrat showed up at the house to defend their list of demands before any American's see a dime of the stimulus money.

1. Increased fuel emission standards for airlines receiving funds and carbon offsets.
Not later than 90 days after the enactment of this Act, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall require each air carrier receiving assistance under section 101, to fully offset the annual carbon emissions of such air carriers for domestic flights beginning in 2025.

2. Payment for up to $10,000 in student loans:

3. Same-day voter registration, early voting, voting by mail, ballot harvesting
REQUIRING AVAILABILITY OF INTERNET FOR VOTER REGISTRATION
REQUIRING AVAILABILITY OF INTERNET FOR REGISTRATION
PERMITTING VOTERS TO DESIGNATE OTHER PERSON TO RETURN BALLOT
AUTOMATIC MAILING OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS TO ALL VOTERS

4. Preserving collective bargaining powers for unions
Several provisions in the bill include carveouts for big labor, including labor protections, collective bargaining, and organizing, as well as overturning President Trump’s executive orders regarding federal employee unions.

5. The expansion of wind and solar tax credits

6. Requirements for federal and corporate gender and racial diversity data
The bill demands that corporate recipients of financial assistance are required to report racial and gender data regarding salaries, number of employees, supplier diversity, and membership on corporate boards. It also requires federal agencies to use businesses and financial institutions owned by minorities or women

7. Post Office Bailout
UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE PAYMENT TO POSTAL SERVICE FUND

8. Automatic extension of nonimmigrant visas.

9. Restricting colleges from providing information about citizenship status

10. Money for Planned Parenthood
Democrats want the bill to prop up Planned Parenthood

11. Expansion of use of Minority Banks and Credit Unions

12. Prohibit stock buybacks & dividends for anyone accepting bailout money

13. Special rules for Min. funding for community newspaper plans

14. Required board diversity for all corporations who use bailout money

This is your Democrat party. They refuse to come to the House to defend any of it but refuse to sign the bill without it. They have offered a put up or shut up deal.

While American's drowned in their own fluids, the economy has come to a stop, People are locked up in their homes, Businesses are disappearing, and a national quarantine is being issued, Pelosi has sent her house members home and while holding American's hostage.

They don't care about your family members dying
They don't care about your financial means
They don't care about the economy crashing

They want their green new deal and are willing to kill you for it.

These are the bills that can't pass on their own and Democrats are demanding they be included if we want money to rescue our fellow American's in their most dyer time.

Nancy Pelosi Proposes 1,400-Page Coronavirus Bill Stuffed with Pork
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Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States!
 
danielpalos said:
Should we have care if businesses have to restructure and create unemployment if we can ensure equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment State?
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Sorry, but I don’t understand your question.
 
Idontbelonghere said:
Sorry, but I don’t understand your question.
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Unemployment is an externality to any business, business should not have to worry about unemployment because that is a State responsibility in any at-will employment State. That means, if capitalists were to upgrade with the latest in modern technologies in modern times now for their bottom line, they could do so without remorse because unemployment compensation should be automatic for anyone who is unemployed in our at-will employment States.
 
Idontbelonghere said:
This narrative is as false as Vern’s.
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It is, in fact, true. There's plenty of video showing the Dems pushing the GSAs as being A OK and them pushing for the CRA to have banks to give loans to people who wouldn't normally have qualified.
 
danielpalos said:
They only allege fiscal conservatism when democrats are in office and only allege to believe in natural rights in abortion threads (where they get to tell women what do to).
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Sure. That’s Republicans.
 
danielpalos said:
Unemployment is an externality to any business, business should not have to worry about unemployment because that is a State responsibility in any at-will employment State. That means, if capitalists were to upgrade with the latest in modern technologies in modern times now for their bottom line, they could do so without remorse because unemployment compensation should be automatic for anyone who is unemployed in our at-will employment States.
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Except unemployment isn’t an externality to business, is it? Employers are heavily burdened with taxes and mandated benefits. A part of those burdens are specifically for unemployment insurance. So it’s far from external, don’t you think?

As for technology - why are we so focused on the downside? That’s Life 101. When one door closes, another one opens. You just have to pay attention.

And technology isn’t replacing anyone overnight. It’s not like it’s gonna sneak up on us. It’s been replacing “jobs” since the invention of the wheel. That’s it’s purpose.

Don’t be hopeless. I’m astounded at the creativity and opportunity so many younger people have. They’re making money on all sorts of social media sites, and some people actually make money playing video games! Who knew? (Yep. I’m old)

As for unemployment being made available to anyone unemployed, don’t you think that’s a little bit silly? Employees also pay into unemployment insurance. With what you seem to be describing, why would anyone bother to get a job in the first place? Just graduate high school and go file for income?
 
Fishking said:
It is, in fact, true. There's plenty of video showing the Dems pushing the GSAs as being A OK and them pushing for the CRA to have banks to give loans to people who wouldn't normally have qualified.
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And who was pushing easy money policies at the time? Who was pointing to home ownership rising as a hallmark of his presidency? You think Republicans weren’t aware of what was going on? Where were they? Running for re-election in 2004 & 2006 on the amazing economy, and the housing market specifically! Yeah... the bubble and causes snuck right up on them... c’mon.

All that, and at the same time, money flooded into the Republican socialist program. War budgets were exploding at the time (justified by a fear far less threatening than a virus) contributing to the inflation and devaluation of the dollar (which is truly at the heart of any economic collapse) Oh! And in 2003, Bush expanded Medicare to the tune of a cool half $T. Is that still a socialist program? I can’t tell anymore.

The bubble that happened to pop first was real estate. It could have been auto loans, student loans, municipal bonds, or any number of bipartisan created bubbles.

Who made all of it possible? BOTH parties. They’ve been doing it for over 100 years. To blame one party and not the other requires a lack of awareness about what actually causes an economy to collapse. Republicans have absolutely no room to point fingers on the topic of fiscal responsibility, or how an economy collapses.
 
Idontbelonghere said:
And who was pushing easy money policies at the time? Who was pointing to home ownership rising as a hallmark of his presidency? You think Republicans weren’t aware of what was going on? Where were they? Running for re-election in 2004 & 2006 on the amazing economy, and the housing market specifically! Yeah... the bubble and causes snuck right up on them... c’mon.
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Yes...they were aware. There is video them calling for GSEs like Freddie and Fannie to be checked into and warned of not practicing sound business but the Dems were quick to rush to their defense. Just one piece of the puzzle that's well documented.



5:30 has Maxine Waters plainly declaring the policy of pushing housing loans to those who wouldn't normally afford it. These crap home loans where then used for even more loans, using them as backing, creating an unstable chain of investments. Again...the facts are on my side.
 
Fishking said:
Yes...they were aware. There is video them calling for GSEs like Freddie and Fannie to be checked into and warned of not practicing sound business but the Dems were quick to rush to their defense. Just one piece of the puzzle that's well documented.



5:30 has Maxine Waters plainly declaring the policy of pushing housing loans to those who wouldn't normally afford it. These crap home loans where then used for even more loans, using them as backing, creating an unstable chain of investments. Again...the facts are on my side.
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Well, you hang on to those facts with everything you have then. Someone needs to find your vast knowledge and understanding of economics useful. It might as well be you.

For what it’s worth, your facts aren’t wrong. They’re just the facts that you use to fit your narrative. Why you choose to refuse to accept that both parties played their role and work together to create the bubbles simply paints you as more loyal to party than truth. Well done comrade.
 
Idontbelonghere said:
Except unemployment isn’t an externality to business, is it? Employers are heavily burdened with taxes and mandated benefits. A part of those burdens are specifically for unemployment insurance. So it’s far from external, don’t you think?

As for technology - why are we so focused on the downside? That’s Life 101. When one door closes, another one opens. You just have to pay attention.

And technology isn’t replacing anyone overnight. It’s not like it’s gonna sneak up on us. It’s been replacing “jobs” since the invention of the wheel. That’s it’s purpose.

Don’t be hopeless. I’m astounded at the creativity and opportunity so many younger people have. They’re making money on all sorts of social media sites, and some people actually make money playing video games! Who knew? (Yep. I’m old)

As for unemployment being made available to anyone unemployed, don’t you think that’s a little bit silly? Employees also pay into unemployment insurance. With what you seem to be describing, why would anyone bother to get a job in the first place? Just graduate high school and go file for income?
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Employment is at the will of either party. The minimum wage should be high enough to where Labor can purchase better benefits for unemployment compensation. That is an insurance issue not an employment issue. Better public policy can fix this issue.

I am not focused on the downside. Capitalists should automate for the bottom line and Labor should be able to apply for unemployment compensation on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Now could be a good time for capitalists to upgrade since many are working from home or not congregating at work.

We should have no homeless problems in our First World economy.

You assume everyone would Want to be Poor under our form of Capitalism. There is no true unemployment under Capitalism only underpayment. And, why do you "care" about the Poor if you don't "care" about the Rich?
 
Vern said:
er uh code, you're not addressing the thread topic, the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans concerning stimulus and deficits. You're simply (and obediently ) complaining about democrat proposals. Please tell us what you think about the fact that republicans are happy to spend more than twice as much as President Obama's stimulus without one bit of concern for its effect on the deficit. thanks in advance.
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I was not addressing the thread. I was addressing the highlighted portion of the post that you wrote.

I understand your response. What you posted is irrational and unsupportable. It's little wonder that you run and hide.
 
danielpalos said:
Employment is at the will of either party. The minimum wage should be high enough to where Labor can purchase better benefits for unemployment compensation. That is an insurance issue not an employment issue. Better public policy can fix this issue.

I am not focused on the downside. Capitalists should automate for the bottom line and Labor should be able to apply for unemployment compensation on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Now could be a good time for capitalists to upgrade since many are working from home or not congregating at work.

We should have no homeless problems in our First World economy.

You assume everyone would Want to be Poor under our form of Capitalism. There is no true unemployment under Capitalism only underpayment. And, why do you "care" about the Poor if you don't "care" about the Rich?
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Well, if we’re being creative, let’s go the other way. Let’s assume each individual is their own entity and therefore their own company. Let’s eliminate “employment” completely. Then all agreements for labor of any kind will be business to business arrangements and we can eliminate the taxes, benefits, and insurances that burden us all!

Healthcare would be forced to change its business model and sell to the individual. If we deregulate the market at the same time we will create an increase in competition and alternative healthcare treatment. Quality of care will increase. Access to care will increase. And prices will drop.

This way, one is compelled to be a productive member of society, or they can relocate to a nation that embraces socialism. There’s 100+ to choose from. We could even set up a citizen exchange program with them! Give us your independent, motivated, government-loathing citizens in exchange for our less motivated, dependent, government-loving citizens (they’ll work when they get to your country - we promise!). It’d be entirely voluntary, of course.

And that’s really the key to it all, isn’t it? A voluntary society.

You seem to think force is required for peace and tranquility. That’d be wrong.

Existing entitles you to exactly nothing.

A simple, unavoidable fact that you’re going to eventually have to wrap your head around is that socialism is immoral if it is not 100% voluntary. You can argue its benefits, equality, blah blah blah, but at the end of the day, what you’re proposing requires force. Forcing someone to do something or part with something against their will is violence.

Are you a violent person?
 
danielpalos said:
Pretty sure; it may have been the Tea Party, but the right wing is still for Tax Cut economics.
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
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Sorry man... you can’t pretend to be serious about debt or economics and promote socialism as a good idea. You do realize that, right?

As for the political right, I will wholeheartedly agree with you that they’re a very confused people.
 
Felis Leo said:
It is times like this when I see the lies, grandstanding, hypocrisy and special pleading from both sides that I question whether we were wrong to have rejected hereditary monarchy.
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Heridtary monarchy assumes that the king's some isn't an idiot.

At least we have the opportunity to get rid of our idiot in November.
 
Mycroft said:
There is no slush fund. Quit lying while you are ignoring the political opportunism of Nancy and her fellow Dems...at the expense of Americans who need the aid.
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So what do you call the half a trillion dollars that trump will decide who gets?
 
Am I the only one who's noticed that republicans are sparing no expense to rescue the economy?

Yes, that myopic vision you have only sees half of what is really going on.
 
Idontbelonghere said:
Sorry man... you can’t pretend to be serious about debt or economics and promote socialism as a good idea. You do realize that, right?
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Socialism must merely Use capitalism for All of its economic worth in modern times, we have a mixed-market economy.

There is no free market capitalism or "non socialized capitalism" since the fall of Mogadishu last millennium.
 
What if...? said:
So what do you call the half a trillion dollars that trump will decide who gets?
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sigh...

Is this all you have? Repeating spinning nonsense?

Tell you what...read the bill that the Senate unanimously passed. Get the facts.
 
Mycroft said:
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Is this all you have? Repeating spinning nonsense?

Tell you what...read the bill that the Senate unanimously passed. Get the facts.
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I'll wait til it pans out.

We all know that you'll change your tune to some diversion if it turns out I'm right and you're wrong.

And I have to assume that I am right and you are wrong because you only support trump without question or nuance.

Hey, at least you still have your job!
 
poor FK, your posts follow a typical arc of conservative dishonesty and delusion. first you pretended to not remember the Great Bush Recession or its causes and then (this is actually thread related) pretended to not remember republicans attacking everything President Obama did to end the Great Bush Recession and help the economy.

Fishking said:
They passed a bunch of stimulus while Bush was still in office, .
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Of course you have to pretend not remember them attacking everything including the stimulus because "the deficit is more important". You simply cant address the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans in their zeal to spend 2 and half times President Obama's stimulus now with a republican president. It amazes me that "integrity" is simply never a choice for you people. But then we get this

Fishking said:
Sorry, but every bit of actual information is not on your side of this. The housing bubble was the Democrat's baby, through and through. No amount of attempts at rewriting history on your part will ever change that.
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I've literally posted dozens of links show the causes and timeframe of the Bush Mortgage Bubble. Literally dozens FK. The first thing "on my side" is Bush telling you it started late 2004. that alone shreds 95% of lying conservative narratives. And it shreds your "democrat's baby" because republicans controlled congress. Then we get this nugget

Fishking said:
I've debunked your lies and misrepresentations so many times that it's ridiculous, yet you still stick with them. Sorry, you were wrong, are wrong, and will always be wrong.
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er uh FK, the usual lie is "others have debunked your lies mean ole vern". You're literally saying you did it. Holy cow FK, you don't have one post in my FAQ thread. I just have to ask is posting "you were wrong, are wrong, and will always be wrong" another example of you debunking me?
 
eohrnberger said:
Poor Vern. So fixated on this one point in a universe of other points, simply can't let it go, regardless of how many have pointed to reason, still ignored. :shrug:
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eorhn, I started this thread about the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans happily spending two and a half times President Obama's stimulus. I have dozens of posts in that regard throughout this thread. The only people "fixated" seems to be you and Fishking. the real problem is both of your are fixated on me. Look at his posts above and tell me he's not fixated. He claim's he single handedly debunked my lies. He doesn't have one post in my FAQ thread and I don't know if he's ever posted a link regarding the Bush Mortgage Bubble. What proves you're fixated on me is you "liked" this post

Fishking said:
Sorry, but every bit of actual information is not on your side of this. The housing bubble was the Democrat's baby, through and through. No amount of attempts at rewriting history on your part will ever change that.
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Eohrn, you gave my links credit for letting you know Bush was partially responsible. How could "every bit of actual information" not be on my side by your own admission. You "liked" it because he was criticizing the person you're fixated on. come on eohrn, you're better than that. Hey I know, why not address the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans happily spending two and a half times President Obama's stimulus. And eohrn, their biggest complaint is the dems made them wait a few days. do you remember this being just a teensy tiny bit different from 12 years ago?
 
Vern said:
eorhn, I started this thread about the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans happily spending two and a half times President Obama's stimulus. I have dozens of posts in that regard throughout this thread. The only people "fixated" seems to be you and Fishking. the real problem is both of your are fixated on me. Look at his posts above and tell me he's not fixated. He claim's he single handedly debunked my lies. He doesn't have one post in my FAQ thread and I don't know if he's ever posted a link regarding the Bush Mortgage Bubble. What proves you're fixated on me is you "liked" this post



Eohrn, you gave my links credit for letting you know Bush was partially responsible. How could "every bit of actual information" not be on my side by your own admission. You "liked" it because he was criticizing the person you're fixated on. come on eohrn, you're better than that. Hey I know, why not address the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans happily spending two and a half times President Obama's stimulus. And eohrn, their biggest complaint is the dems made them wait a few days. do you remember this being just a teensy tiny bit different from 12 years ago?
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You appear to have the fixation. :shrug:

You still haven't moved on from your leftist tunnel vision. I guess this is beyond some people. :shrug:

Enjoy your screaming at the sky.
 
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