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Am I the only one who's noticed that republicans are sparing no expense to rescue the economy?

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don't get me wrong, I fully support the effort. Its what they should be doing but I just cant help but suspect its only because a republican is president. I don't see any protests, claims of hyperinflation,dollar collapse, market to zero. And not only are republicans no longer worried about deficits as they hope to prevent a depression, they seem to be mad that they cant spend it as fast as they want to. Golly, that's not how I remember them during the Great Bush Recession. And the ongoing negotiations only show more republican hypocrisy. Democrats are not "conspiring to obstruct" the stimulus. they are simply trying to put some adequate controls on how the money is spent. This would be common sense even if Trump wasn't president. Its even more important with him in office.
 
Vern said:
don't get me wrong, I fully support the effort. Its what they should be doing but I just cant help but suspect its only because a republican is president. I don't see any protests, claims of hyperinflation,dollar collapse, market to zero. And not only are republicans no longer worried about deficits as they hope to prevent a depression, they seem to be mad that they cant spend it as fast as they want to. Golly, that's not how I remember them during the Great Bush Recession. And the ongoing negotiations only show more republican hypocrisy. Democrats are not "conspiring to obstruct" the stimulus. they are simply trying to put some adequate controls on how the money is spent. This would be common sense even if Trump wasn't president. Its even more important with him in office.
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No. I only notice the right wing has no problem with "wage-slavery" since they cannot get away with chattel-slavery anymore.

Equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employments can solve simple poverty and our homeless dilemma in a market friendly manner and engenders a positive multiplier effect upon our economy.
 
Vern said:
don't get me wrong, I fully support the effort. Its what they should be doing but I just cant help but suspect its only because a republican is president. I don't see any protests, claims of hyperinflation,dollar collapse, market to zero. And not only are republicans no longer worried about deficits as they hope to prevent a depression, they seem to be mad that they cant spend it as fast as they want to. Golly, that's not how I remember them during the Great Bush Recession. And the ongoing negotiations only show more republican hypocrisy. Democrats are not "conspiring to obstruct" the stimulus. they are simply trying to put some adequate controls on how the money is spent. This would be common sense even if Trump wasn't president. Its even more important with him in office.
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No. Simply no.
 
Isn't their bill hundreds of billions dollars less than the one proposed by Democrats?
 
Vern said:
don't get me wrong, I fully support the effort. Its what they should be doing but I just cant help but suspect its only because a republican is president. I don't see any protests, claims of hyperinflation,dollar collapse, market to zero. And not only are republicans no longer worried about deficits as they hope to prevent a depression, they seem to be mad that they cant spend it as fast as they want to. Golly, that's not how I remember them during the Great Bush Recession. And the ongoing negotiations only show more republican hypocrisy. Democrats are not "conspiring to obstruct" the stimulus. they are simply trying to put some adequate controls on how the money is spent. This would be common sense even if Trump wasn't president. Its even more important with him in office.
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No they aren't.

Here are the plans:

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Which plan do YOU think is better?
That's what the big kerfuffle is about...that's what Mitch McConnell's big hissy fit is about.
Don't let ANYONE tell ANYONE otherwise.
 
If Trump wants the economy back on line next week, what’s point of a stimulus?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No they aren't.

Here are the plans:

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Which plan do YOU think is better?
That's what the big kerfuffle is about...that's what Mitch McConnell's big hissy fit is about.
Don't let ANYONE tell ANYONE otherwise.
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That’s a bit simplistic; the Senate plan is 247 pages and the House has managed to fill up 1400+ pages. The contents can be downloaded here:

You Thought The Senate Stimulus Bill Was Huge? House: Hold My Beer

EDIT:
Or here to view the two bills: Nancy Pelosi Just Released Her Own Coronavirus Bill. It Is Much Bigger Than Trump’s. – Mother Jones
 
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Excon said:
No. Simply no.
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"nuh uh" is not the great rebuttal you think it is.


Taylor said:
Isn't their bill hundreds of billions dollars less than the one proposed by Democrats?
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er uh Taylor, the senate (read republican) bill is more than twice President Obama's stimulus. golly, that sounds like "out of control spending that'll cause hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero". It really shouldn't make you feel better that the senate plan is only slight less "out of control spending that'll cause hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero" than the house version.
 
Rexedgar said:
That’s a bit simplistic; the Senate plan is 247 pages and the House has managed to fill up 1400+ pages. The contents can be downloaded here:

You Thought The Senate Stimulus Bill Was Huge? House: Hold My Beer
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We are in a simplistic regime.
And the country wants simplistic summaries.
Of course there's much more to it but on the surface, the MAIN features of the two packages are what they are, yes? No?

Yes of course there's a lot more stuff in there.
Know why?
Because the House passed over 400 pieces of legislation which McConnell has thrown in the round file ever since Dems took the House, that's why.

Also, the Senate plan is pretty much going to be overseen by Trump, according to his statement, VERBATIM, made yesterday. He SAID he would LITERALLY make the decisions, and with McConnell, that means the Senate will automatically approve whatever Trump tells them to approve.
How about that five hundred billion dollar slush fund!! :lamo

That's like Ferdinand Marcos backing up the BRINK'S truck to the Bank of Manila just before taking off outta there.
 
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Vern said:
don't get me wrong, I fully support the effort. Its what they should be doing but I just cant help but suspect its only because a republican is president. I don't see any protests, claims of hyperinflation,dollar collapse, market to zero. And not only are republicans no longer worried about deficits as they hope to prevent a depression, they seem to be mad that they cant spend it as fast as they want to. Golly, that's not how I remember them during the Great Bush Recession. And the ongoing negotiations only show more republican hypocrisy. Democrats are not "conspiring to obstruct" the stimulus. they are simply trying to put some adequate controls on how the money is spent. This would be common sense even if Trump wasn't president. Its even more important with him in office.
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I view the democrats move as political opportunism. Trump must sign almost anything that is brought to him, because of the critical time constraint.
The democrats know this, and choose to attach a wish list of things that could not otherwise get passed.
People actually need help, and our elected officials are more interested in getting their pet projects attached!
There was a story about the fall of Constantinople, where the wall commander, asked for the reserve troops to defend the breech,
and was tuned down, because some official said he did not have the correct secondary signature.
We can only hope that Karma caught up the short sighted official! (this is very likely, as the sack of the city lasted 3 days,
with some 30,000 people being raped, murdered or enslaved .)
 
Vern said:
"nuh uh" is not the great rebuttal you think it is.
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So now you think you can read people's minds? :lamo
Regardless; "No, simply no" was clearly a sufficient response to the bs you posted.
 
Vern said:
don't get me wrong, I fully support the effort. Its what they should be doing but I just cant help but suspect its only because a republican is president. I don't see any protests, claims of hyperinflation,dollar collapse, market to zero. And not only are republicans no longer worried about deficits as they hope to prevent a depression, they seem to be mad that they cant spend it as fast as they want to. Golly, that's not how I remember them during the Great Bush Recession. And the ongoing negotiations only show more republican hypocrisy. Democrats are not "conspiring to obstruct" the stimulus. they are simply trying to put some adequate controls on how the money is spent. This would be common sense even if Trump wasn't president. Its even more important with him in office.
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Nope, both demorats and republicants in congress are trying, yet again, to take advantage of having some "must pass" legislation available in order to attach all manner of unrelated legislation to it - which otherwise had no chance of being passed on its own merits.

Rather than address specific issues/problems separately it is the habit of congress critters (from both parties) to bundle all manner of totally unrelated odds and ends of "pork" (special interest rewards?) to some "must pass" bill. That way each congress critter can claim to have voted for essential items A, Q and Y despite 'reluctantly having to accept' the rest of the alphabet of pure pork 'in order to achieve a bipartisan compromise'
 
Rexedgar said:
That’s a bit simplistic; the Senate plan is 247 pages and the House has managed to fill up 1400+ pages. The contents can be downloaded here:

You Thought The Senate Stimulus Bill Was Huge? House: Hold My Beer

EDIT:
Or here to view the two bills: Nancy Pelosi Just Released Her Own Coronavirus Bill. It Is Much Bigger Than Trump’s. – Mother Jones
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Checkerboard Strangler isn't being "simplistic". He's being "dishonest"...by ignoring all the OTHER stuff, stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with economic aid, in the House Democrat bill.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, both demorats and republicants in congress are trying, yet again, to take advantage of having some "must pass" legislation available in order to attach all manner of unrelated legislation to it - which otherwise had no chance of being passed on its own merits.

Rather than address specific issues/problems separately it is the habit of congress critters (from both parties) to bundle all manner of totally unrelated odds and ends of "pork" (special interest rewards?) to some "must pass" bill. That way each congress critter can claim to have voted for essential items A, Q and Y despite 'reluctantly having to accept' the rest of the alphabet of pure pork 'in order to achieve a bipartisan compromise'
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It is times like this when I see the lies, grandstanding, hypocrisy and special pleading from both sides that I question whether we were wrong to have rejected hereditary monarchy.
 
It seems that the Democrats and Mnuchin have arrived at a compromise bill and will be voting on it today. The wild card now is Trump.

The Dems managed to get more in the compromise bill for working people and needy Americans who will be hurt the most.

The GOP is mainly interested in bailing out big business with few oversight controls on items such as corporate stock-buybacks and extravagant CEO compensations (i.e. a slush fund).
 
longview said:
I view the democrats move as political opportunism. Trump must sign almost anything that is brought to him, because of the critical time constraint.
The democrats know this, and choose to attach a wish list of things that could not otherwise get passed.
People actually need help, and our elected officials are more interested in getting their pet projects attached!
There was a story about the fall of Constantinople, where the wall commander, asked for the reserve troops to defend the breech,
and was tuned down, because some official said he did not have the correct secondary signature.
We can only hope that Karma caught up the short sighted official! (this is very likely, as the sack of the city lasted 3 days,
with some 30,000 people being raped, murdered or enslaved .)
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er uh Longview, you don't seem to be grasping my point. Democrat's actions are simply no different than they were 12 years ago when Bush destroyed the economy. Republicans actions are 100% opposite. Remember how republicans were simply trying to obstruct what would help the economy 12 years ago? Now they spare no expense and cant spend it fast enough. Try to respond to that instead of telling us the things you really really really want to believe.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
We are in a simplistic regime.
And the country wants simplistic summaries.
Of course there's much more to it but on the surface, the MAIN features of the two packages are what they are, yes? No?

Yes of course there's a lot more stuff in there.
Know why?
Because the House passed over 400 pieces of legislation which McConnell has thrown in the round file ever since Dems took the House, that's why.

Also, the Senate plan is pretty much going to be overseen by Trump, according to his statement, VERBATIM, made yesterday. He SAID he would LITERALLY make the decisions, and with McConnell, that means the Senate will automatically approve whatever Trump tells them to approve.
How about that five hundred billion dollar slush fund!! :lamo

That's like Ferdinand Marcos backing up the BRINK'S truck to the Bank of Manila just before taking off outta there.
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There is no slush fund. Quit lying while you are ignoring the political opportunism of Nancy and her fellow Dems...at the expense of Americans who need the aid.
 
Vern said:
don't get me wrong, I fully support the effort. Its what they should be doing but I just cant help but suspect its only because a republican is president. I don't see any protests, claims of hyperinflation,dollar collapse, market to zero. And not only are republicans no longer worried about deficits as they hope to prevent a depression, they seem to be mad that they cant spend it as fast as they want to. Golly, that's not how I remember them during the Great Bush Recession. And the ongoing negotiations only show more republican hypocrisy. Democrats are not "conspiring to obstruct" the stimulus. they are simply trying to put some adequate controls on how the money is spent. This would be common sense even if Trump wasn't president. Its even more important with him in office.
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This economic situation is the result of government MANDATED shutdowns. If government orders the economy to be destroyed then they also need to provide a remedy.
 
Mycroft said:
There is no slush fund. Quit lying while you are ignoring the political opportunism of Nancy and her fellow Dems...at the expense of Americans who need the aid.
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MC, you're here. Good, I need you tell everybody how saving the economy is more important than fretting over deficits.
 
longview said:
I view the democrats move as political opportunism. Trump must sign almost anything that is brought to him, because of the critical time constraint.
The democrats know this, and choose to attach a wish list of things that could not otherwise get passed.
People actually need help, and our elected officials are more interested in getting their pet projects attached!
There was a story about the fall of Constantinople, where the wall commander, asked for the reserve troops to defend the breech,
and was tuned down, because some official said he did not have the correct secondary signature.
We can only hope that Karma caught up the short sighted official! (this is very likely, as the sack of the city lasted 3 days,
with some 30,000 people being raped, murdered or enslaved .)
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Trump should cite all the pork barrel spending ftim both sides and send it back to them to rewrite it to specifically and exclusively address this problem or override his veto. Somebody need to torce both parties to own responsibility for their grred and opportunism

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Excon said:
No. Simply no.
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Then refute it.

For forty years, Republicans have only talked about debt when they were out of the White House.

Then, it was an obsession. Mitch McConnell lurched from one government shutdown threat to the next, in order to keep stimulus from being enacted, and to preserve Bush’s deficit boosting tax cuts.

Once they had the White House, trillion dollar deficits returned.

But you don’t hear Sham Hammity or Lush Limbaugh going on about reckless borrowing, like you did in 2009.

Not a peep.

And they didn’t care about deficits when Bush was doubling the national debt, even without the crash they helped create.
 
Mycroft said:
There is no slush fund. Quit lying while you are ignoring the political opportunism of Nancy and her fellow Dems...at the expense of Americans who need the aid.
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Not only is there a $500Bn slush fund, Trump insists he be allowed oversight.



Monday’s White House coronavirus press conference brought a slew of questions as reporters hoped to parse out why and when President Trump intends to lift the national social distancing measures and how the Republican stimulus bill would responsibly distribute a $500 billion corporate slush fund that currently allows for the Treasury Secretary to withhold the names of the businesses that receive bailout cash.

Answering the question of who would provide accountability for the unrestricted distribution of half-a-trillion dollars, Trump’s response was even less promising: “I’ll be the oversight. I’ll be the oversight.”

That was yesterday and it evokes memories of Ferdinand Marcos backing up the BRINKS truck to the Bank of Manila just before heading on outta there.
 
trouble13 said:
Trump should cite all the pork barrel spending ftim both sides and send it back to them to rewrite it to specifically and exclusively address this problem or override his veto. Somebody need to torce both parties to own responsibility for their grred and opportunism

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That would assume that he actually knows something about the legislations. Which is unlikely.
 
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