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So, Sanders is going against the DNC , is that a bad thing or a good thing?

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It seems I keep hearing that Presidential nominee Bernie Sanders is not quite in tune with the D.N.C. .
Now at first I thought it was just the moderates, but as time went on when Sanders was in the lead the discussion was which of these moderates do you pick to beat Sanders.
CNN , which is a news program that I watch from time to time even had the makings of a double standard.
It seems a Biden supporter miss spoke on an issue concerning Dr. King she apologized
Sanders said Biden should apologize .
The CNN anchor ask why should he apologize she merely supports Biden he had nothing to do with her response.
However, when some Bernie Bros got a little rough on line Sanders was ask to apologize.
Seems like a double standard to me.

As for going against the D.N.C. Perhaps a bit of history of the last Democrat to go against the D.N.C.'S wishes.

In 1964 President Lyndon Baines Johnson presented a bill called the Civil Rights Bill which included a no discrimination clause , a Senator Russell waned President Johnson if he passed this bill he could lose the support of the Democratic .party President Johnson's reply "IT WOULD BE WORTH IT"
In 1964 some how or another the bill was passed .and President Johnson on National T.V. signed it into law.
Unfortunately that good deed was overshadowed by President Johnson's mistake VIETNAM.

However it makes little difference to me I am an Independent voter one political party is just as bad or good as the next that's just labels.
However in today's venue sometimes it is difficult to see which party is for who
20 YRS America has been on the same economic system virtually the same healthcare , the same stagnant wage, the same tax cuts, pretty much the same budget cuts even after 8 yrs of a Democratic president and what does America have now , where is America today on the same old ,same old.???
The only significant change I see is more money went to the rich tax cuts.:peace
 
CNN is pro-Biden.
 
Sanders has absolutely no hope of ever obtaining the Democrat nomination. Everyone already knows this, except for the self-deluded Sanders supporters. It is no different than the Libertarian Ron Paul fanatics thinking Ron Paul had any hope of ever obtaining the Republican nomination in 2008. You have to be pretty damn self-deluded to think that someone who has never been a Democrat is going to somehow win the Democrat nomination.
 
Sanders has absolutely no hope of ever obtaining the Democrat nomination. Everyone already knows this, except for the self-deluded Sanders supporters. It is no different than the Libertarian Ron Paul fanatics thinking Ron Paul had any hope of ever obtaining the Republican nomination in 2008. You have to be pretty damn self-deluded to think that someone who has never been a Democrat is going to somehow win the Democrat nomination.

It's really unlikely and only way Bernie is nominated is that Biden screw up massively in debates (dementia is showing too much). Democrats end up doing what they hate most, nominate Bernie as there isn't anyone else left.
 
Bernie should go out in a blaze of glory. The DNC will never nominate him.

What does a man that's not a Democrat have to lose?
 
It's really unlikely and only way Bernie is nominated is that Biden screw up massively in debates (dementia is showing too much). Democrats end up doing what they hate most, nominate Bernie as there isn't anyone else left.

It would take much more than debates for Biden not to get the DNC nomination. He would have to be indicted for mass murder first, and even then it would be a close call. Every Democrat has a better shot at getting the Democrat nomination than Independent Bernie Sanders.
 
Just like in 2016, the DNC Elites won't allow Bernie to be their nominee. The only question that remains is this: How much will the DNC pay Bernie for his database?
 
He should run as a 3rd party independent or stfu.

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The only significant change I see is more money went to the rich tax cuts.:peace

The last time Democrats controlled the Congress and the White House, over twenty million Americans got health care, mostly paid for by taxes on the wealthy.

The last time Republicans controlled both, they came within one vote of stripping health care from over twenty million Americans, and passed a massive tax cut for the already rich.

There is a difference between the two parties.
 
Just like in 2016, the DNC Elites won't allow Bernie to be their nominee.

Just like in 2016, the voters didn't allow Bernie to be their nominee.
 
Got that right.
Question is is the Democratic party pro Biden as well?:peace
 
Sanders has absolutely no hope of ever obtaining the Democrat nomination. Everyone already knows this, except for the self-deluded Sanders supporters. It is no different than the Libertarian Ron Paul fanatics thinking Ron Paul had any hope of ever obtaining the Republican nomination in 2008. You have to be pretty damn self-deluded to think that someone who has never been a Democrat is going to somehow win the Democrat nomination.

Perhaps what you say is true ,perhaps not?
However the American people have hope , without it what do we have ?
Anyway, even if Sanders doesn't get the nominee and even if America goes another 4 or 8 years without universal Healthcare or better education or better paying jobs.
The seed as been sowed the American people will not forget these policies will be brought up again and again.:peace
 
Just like in 2016, the DNC Elites won't allow Bernie to be their nominee. The only question that remains is this: How much will the DNC pay Bernie for his database?

We get it. As a conservative, your goal is to foster discord among Democrats and get Bernie or Bust people to defect, thus contributing to the re-election of your cult leader. So, your fake concern for the DNC is noted, and dismissed.

And by the way, Bernie lost the 2016 nomination thanks to the will of the people, who voted for Hillary to the point that she earned 3.7 million more popular votes than Bernie, and earned a majority of pledged delegates, no superdelegates needed.

And no, I'm not a Hillary fan. I'm just stating a fact.
 
Bernie should go out in a blaze of glory. The DNC will never nominate him.

What does a man that's not a Democrat have to lose?

Getting Trump as president. Again.
 
It's really unlikely and only way Bernie is nominated is that Biden screw up massively in debates (dementia is showing too much). Democrats end up doing what they hate most, nominate Bernie as there isn't anyone else left.

I agree with that post . I could never get used to Biden's speeches and the use of the phrase "I DID THAT" .
Seems like he takes credit for everything.
Lets get real if he wasn't Obama's vice president he would just be another old white Democrat singing the same old song and begging for for votes.:peace
 
Got that right.
Question is is the Democratic party pro Biden as well?:peace

They seem to be, given that all the other important candidates dropped out and endorsed him. Most likely the party elders asked them to do so (which, rather than rigging, is just the normal political process). It seems like Dem voters and Deam-leaning voters think the same way, given that Biden so far has almost 900,000 more votes than Bernie.
 
Bernie should go out in a blaze of glory. The DNC will never nominate him.

What does a man that's not a Democrat have to lose?

I disagree I think Sanders will keep his word he'll back whoever the nominee is.:peace
 
I agree with that post . I could never get used to Biden's speeches and the use of the phrase "I DID THAT" .
Seems like he takes credit for everything.
Lets get real if he wasn't Obama's vice president he would just be another old white Democrat singing the same old song and begging for for votes.:peace

Well, in that, he is copying our dear orange clown who sits there in the oval office and takes credit for everything good, and blames Obama for everything bad. One of these days Trump took credit for the "inauguration" of a factory that has existed for 4 years and started in Obama's term.
 
They seem to be, given that all the other important candidates dropped out and endorsed him. Most likely the party elders asked them to do so (which, rather than rigging, is just the normal political process). It seems like Dem voters and Deam-leaning voters think the same way, given that Biden so far has almost 900,000 more votes than Bernie.

Well, don't you see, that is because those 900,000 people were dupes, stooges or outright idiots. When Bernie wins, that is true democracy shining through. When Bernie Sanders loses, its because the people were cheated by the fat cats...because they let themselves be cheated...somehow.
 
It would take much more than debates for Biden not to get the DNC nomination. He would have to be indicted for mass murder first, and even then it would be a close call. Every Democrat has a better shot at getting the Democrat nomination than Independent Bernie Sanders.

Perhaps that is true , after all there is more than one Democrat career politicians that want things to stay the same.

However the day will come when the Independent party can compete with an win a presidential election.
The number of true Independents are growing every year , every month every day.
Don't believe me run the numbers.
Maybe Sanders is just an Independent ahead of his time:peace
 
Perhaps what you say is true ,perhaps not?
However the American people have hope , without it what do we have ?
Anyway, even if Sanders doesn't get the nominee and even if America goes another 4 or 8 years without universal Healthcare or better education or better paying jobs.
The seed as been sowed the American people will not forget these policies will be brought up again and again.:peace

Why would anyone be stupid enough to hope a non-Democrat would win the Democrat nomination? Do they also hope that Hillary will become the Republican nominee? Because that is as stupid as hoping Sanders will become the Democrat nominee. It is beyond ridiculous and bordering on insanity to think someone who has never been a member of a political party is going to become that party's nominee.
 
Just like in 2016, the DNC Elites won't allow Bernie to be their nominee. The only question that remains is this: How much will the DNC pay Bernie for his database?

I don't think that's for sale .
Next thing ya knowyou will accuse Sanders of being a right winger that's how they do business ain't it?:peace
 
He should run as a 3rd party independent or stfu.

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AsI have said one day the Independent party will be strong enough to challenge both Republicans and Democrats.:peace
 
Perhaps that is true , after all there is more than one Democrat career politicians that want things to stay the same.

However the day will come when the Independent party can compete with an win a presidential election.
The number of true Independents are growing every year , every month every day.
Don't believe me run the numbers.
Maybe Sanders is just an Independent ahead of his time:peace

It has absolutely nothing to do with policy or ideology and everything to do with party membership. There will never be a day when any Independent candidate will ever become President. The ONLY Independent presidential candidate to ever receive an Electoral College vote was George Wallace in 1968. He was a life-long Democrat who ran against Humphrey. When Humphrey got the Democrat nomination Wallace became an Independent and split the Electoral College vote, taking 46 votes away from Humphrey and giving Nixon the majority.

Even among third parties an Electoral College vote is extremely rare. The last one was in 1972 for Libertarian presidential candidate John Hospers. It was a faithless elector who voted Libertarian the year the Libertarian Party was founded. John Hospers was not on any State ballot and received zero popular votes, but he did get 1 Electoral College vote in 1972.

The reality is that if you are not a member of the Republican or Democratic Party there is little to no hope of ever being elected President.
 
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