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If Sanders is the nominee, will you vote?

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If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?
 
Having seen a few elections where the pool of candidates didn't offer a single soul I approved of, I have always fallen back on the idea that I'm not voting for a person, I'm voting to preserve certain principles I hold dear. No politician, no matter how horrible a human being, can take away my liberty unless I allow them to.
 
If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?

That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives even got behind Hitler.
 
I've already early-voted for Sanders but I'm not a Sanders fan. I did it because I think he delivers the best shot at beating Trump.

Trump is such a disaster and he is so dangerous to America, posing an existential threat to our democratic institutions, that this is no-brainer. Never the lesser of two evils has been clearer.

So, original poster, I invite you to pinch your nose this time and vote for whoever is the Dem nominee, even if it is Sanders.

At worst, if he wins Sanders will be an ineffective president for 4 years, obstructed by Congress, then will be too old and frail for a second term. But at least, he will have kicked the Trump Crime Family out of the Oval Office.
 
If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?

If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, I shall not vote for any Presidential candidate in 2020, just as I refused to do in 2016.

If Bernie Sanders is the nominee, I shall vote for Donald Trump.
 
If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?

The amount of times I heard will you vote for such and such candidate in February has been 3 and only one of them had any chance of winning the nomination at that point which was Mitt Romney in 2012. Sanders was winning this same time four years ago. He peaked and then Hillary ran away with it. I see no reason why he won't do something similar this time.
 
That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives even got behind Hitler.

FDR was no conservsative but he backed Hitler. His economy and Hitlers were darned near mirror images.
 
If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, I shall not vote for any Presidential candidate in 2020, just as I refused to do in 2016.

If Bernie Sanders is the nominee, I shall vote for Donald Trump.

Thank you. I was thinking of this possibility; just had trouble putting it into words.
 
The amount of times I heard will you vote for such and such candidate in February has been 3 and only one of them had any chance of winning the nomination at that point which was Mitt Romney in 2012. Sanders was winning this same time four years ago. He peaked and then Hillary ran away with it. I see no reason why he won't do something similar this time.

We can only hope, but I think this year is different. Tonight's debate may be crucial. 30 minutes away. I'll be back.
 
If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?

Has there ever been a candidate who isn't seriously flawed in some sense, known or unknown? It's all about what you focus on, the strengths or the weaknesses.
 
If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, I shall not vote for any Presidential candidate in 2020, just as I refused to do in 2016.

If Bernie Sanders is the nominee, I shall vote for Donald Trump.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I'm also entitled to my opinion of your opinion, and frankly I find your opinion to be utterly absurd.
 
i'll vote in most scenarios, at least for downticket non-Tweetyborg candidates. i'll vote for Sanders and anyone else in the field except maybe Bloomberg. haven't decided if i'll hold my nose that tightly this time around. we just bought some coke for a family member, and i don't want him sneaking down the chimney in the middle of the night to snatch it and give us a firm talking to.
 
Has there ever been a candidate who isn't seriously flawed in some sense, known or unknown? It's all about what you focus on, the strengths or the weaknesses.

In my lifetime, only three. And if Clinton were to oppose Trump again rather than Sanders, I may for the first time hold my nose and vote.

As much as I can't stand Gore, Kerry and Romney, I didn't see any of them as seriously flawed. First and foremost I assess character, and that's where Hillary, Trump and Sanders fail. Your mileage may vary.
 
If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?

Ham sandwich baby, kosher or not,
 
If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?

I'll vote, but it won't be for a deplorable or a socialist dreamer. At least it's not two deplorables running this time. Things are looking up!
 
If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?

I will happily vote for the Democratic candidate over Trump. I am prepared to donate and lead registration drives. I am determined to get rid of Trump, more than I am determined to get a certain person elected
 
Who did you have in mind?

Whatever nutjob the Libertarians are running this year. :mrgreen:

Let's not forget that it's people like me which is why Ms. Hillary "3 million votes" only got 48.2% of the vote. If more people voted for third party, maybe we wouldn't all be stuck with whatever POS candidate is offered by the two major parties.

More importantly, there are a lot more things on the ballot than electing President. If you want to shake things up, I suggest this strategy: Vote for the challenger, regardless of party. Preferably, vote for the Libertarian candidate if one is runny. Whatever, just VOTE. The major parties are counting on the opposition voters to not show up. Republicans prefer it's cold and rainy on Election Day. Democrats are organizing car pools. Whatever floats your boat, but please vote.

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Hitler was one step deeper into socialism that FDR was allowed to be.

I don't think you understand what socialism is...

Socialism means working class ownership of the means of production. It gives power to the unions. It doesn't ban them.
 
I will happily vote for the Democratic candidate over Trump. I am prepared to donate and lead registration drives. I am determined to get rid of Trump, more than I am determined to get a certain person elected

I am pretty confident you will still wail you lost by doing that. As many times as I have asked thousands of posters, tell me the magic wand, the economy switch that favors democrats vs republicans and in all these decades no democrat has the answer. Normally the reaction is to pick their enemy group and slap them silly with extreme high taxes.

IT does not work. Last several days, i watched a top movie called Letters from Iwo Jima and it provoked me to also watch Flags of our Fathers. Same war, same island, one from the Japanese side the other from America's side.

One thing Americans forget or never considered is that FDR ran into severe money problems in his war. He would take military men out of combat and bring them to the USA to beg for funds. I literally mean BEG. War bonds were his vehicle. And he ran out of money. This is so seldom mentioned, I feel it worthwhile saying it now. Flags of our fathers was maybe half devoted to raising money to fight FDR's wars. FDR so heavily taxed the public, he would have lost them totally but for his bawling using vets as his tool to get the public to pay more and more.

And the public was far worse off then than today. Still you have the FDR lovers who never put a moments thought into how FDR could have evaded his wars in the first place.
 
I don't think you understand what socialism is...

Socialism means working class ownership of the means of production. It gives power to the unions. It doesn't ban them.

Let's quit the two step. I am extremely familiar with socialism. Notice if I say Democrat, maybe to you it means just one small thing. But to me, it has a wide range of beliefs. Socialism is not MERELY what you allege it is.

I get a kick out of people who do not understand this subject saying to me "You do not understand" Unions are not needed to have socialism. And with them, it itself is not socialism as Governments understand it.
 
...and now the Republicans are favoring Hitler. Awesome. You know, just like Democrats founded the KKK but now KKK members vote Republican. LOL

FDR = Hitler in his form of government. We do not favor Adolph for a myriad of reasons. Adolf essentially created a one party government. Alas, so did FDR. FDR and Adolph were huge spenders on the society. There was no more voting under Hitler. Frankly study how many times FDR won and ask, was that really voting?

There is the myth that we republicans favor the KKK. But that is simply hog wash. I do not care who they vote for. They voted for far more than a century for democrats. Maybe they smelled the stench and now vote for us. It does not matter.
 
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