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Bernie Deserves the Clinton Vetting

Now that Bernie claims.... [edited for space].

First lets see how the 'coronation' compares. At this point in 2016 there were only two candidates not 6. Can you think of a single candidate in the history of either the Dem or republican primaries that did not want to be 'coronated' as soon as possible? The problem is not with the candidate, its with a party that ensures a coronation before the first New Hampshire ballot is cast. This has been thus far a very healthy process with lots of debate and now we are seeing some of the beginning of a natural culling as voters decide who they are NOT interested in. The only real danger I can see to this process, is Bloomburg literally buying out the process.

Vetting means uncomfortable questions being asked based on a partial fact pattern, not whispering campaigns and innuendo based on nothing more than an agenda to be served and a willing gossip to fluff it all. Every time we mistake one for the other, everyone loses. That certainly happened to Clinton, I don't want that same mistake to happen to any of these candidates.

Sanders is a different sort of candidate than most. He is an ideologue and he is a populist. He sees the world through an ideological prism. Even Clinton and Biden recognize that this prism sheds a truthful light where Sanders direct it. That is why they both talked about economic justice issues, income inequality, and yes even the insidious power of corporate money to impact elections. But they put that prism down occasionally and look at things from a cultural, political and historical context beyond that ideology while Sanders does not. How much they are 'corrupted' by corporate institutional power, and how much they themselves along with every other politician, are victims of that same system along with their voters is up for debate. I submit its probably a bit of both, and Sanders is also beholden to mega unions, and far left constituencies that provide money, volunteers, donor lists, etc that aid his quest for power and influence.

Populism itself is not bad in a candidate, but when it bleeds into demagoguery, that's when you have trouble. The chief difference between what you call' populist con artist promises' of Trump and what Sanders proposes, is that I think he is a true believer in his ideological answers and his reforms. In that Bernie is like most politicians ( including Clinton and Biden, and Buttigieg and Warren and most republicans for that matter) in that he thinks and wants this plan of his to work and make this country better. I don't think Trump believes in anything beyond his own bizarre narcissism. In fact he does not have a plan at all. How realistic or 'pie in the sky' Bernie's medicare for all plan is, really isn't so relevant. All these plans of these candidates are unrealistic. They will be all be drafted in Congress, not in the West Wing by politicians with their own agenda and priorities.

Sanders does have some very rabid followers and they are a definite problem because their impact can be intimidating. A lot of them are intolerant of dissent against Sanders, and those that are, display instant pit bull aggression against perceived threats that would be scary in larger numbers. The difference is that Sanders has made some efforts to condemn these bullying tactics while minimizing their numbers compared to the rest. I am not real sure what all he can do in an anonymous social media setting in cyberspace, but Trump does not even try.
he inflames their passions with rhetoric designed to demean, belittle and marginalize opposition to a degree I never hear for Sanders personally.

What you call 'taking over' the Democratic party, Bernie calls an effort to 'reform' it. Well frankly I rather like some of the changes he pushed for in this very process, especially the compromise on unpledged delegates, and a more open process at the convention.

He's not all bad, sir, anymore than any other of our nominees. He's just winning and it scares a lot of people because he is a populist with that more dogmatic approach to policy. He scares me mostly because I worry he can't beat Trump.
 
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You never questioned Hillary's electability when you pushed her on us. Things have changed and the rules aren't the same anymore. People want a leader that's inspiring and actually tries to make improvements. The status quo is out. I just want you to feel every bit as dirty as I did voting for such a miserable candidate as Hillary in 2016.

Whether the Republicans prevent his agenda from being implemented or not, AT LEAST HE'S TRYING.

After three years of constant lies from this WH, a man such as Bernie would be refreshing. Bernie has integrity, Trump has zero. Anyone who values integrity as a leadership quality should not be voting for Rump.
 
Now that Bernie claims he deserves a coronation, he should get the full Hillary Clinton treatment - being relentlessly scrutinized and daily savaged in the press until the General election ends.

So what do 'we' the general public, really know about Bernie Sanders? Aside from a few grainy pictures of him in Russia multiple times, and his three homes, not much. He won't even release his medical records. We should all ignore his rabid trolls and Start vetting him like crazy.

For me personally, Bernie Sanders checks off a lot of the things that I don't like about Trump and his cult-like supporters:

Rabid followers - check.
Populist con artist promises - check.
Main campaign promise is medicare for all which like the wall is unattainable in the congress
Silencing of dissent - check.
Taking over a party - (in progress).

The GOP may be strong enough to survive after Trump, but will the Democrats hold there noses and not only vote for Bernie Sanders, but passionately support everything he says and does just because he's their useful idiot? It seems that the momentum is moving towards that way, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats do the exact same thing that the Republicans did in 2016. It makes me sick.

We know he has a lake house after last election. Not bad for a socialist!
 
Trump is going to call any Dem a "socialist". I don't think there's any room in the middle to grab from. Trump succeeded by exciting the GOP base, and now the only one I see exciting the Dems is Bernie. So if Bernie excites the base, let him have at it. Hell, he's built a movement, so there's something to build on.

Does it require outlawing for-profit medical care providers, opening the borders (decriminalizing illegal entry or remaining after a 'temporary' visa expires), making college "free" (retroactively for many dead beats) and doing whatever the GND is supposed to do to "excite the base"? Please keep in mind that much (if not most) of "the (demorat) base" would vote for any DNC POTUS nominee in 2020 and that denying Trump another term requires the support of "independents".
 
After three years of constant lies from this WH, a man such as Bernie would be refreshing. Bernie has integrity, Trump has zero. Anyone who values integrity as a leadership quality should not be voting for Rump.

That (bolded above) does not explain his reversal on the need for controlled and legal immigration.

Sanders, Castro, and Harris have publicly said they would in their first 100 days in office pursue legislation to provide a path to citizenship for the 11 million unauthorized immigrants currently living in the United States.

Bernie Sanders’s immigration plan and the rights of immigrant workers - Vox

Despite having that (quoted above) position, Sanders insists that he is not for "open borders". The difference between "open borders" and "offering a path to citizenship to all foreign nationals who entered or remain inside the US illegally" is never made clear.
 
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No, but they are cheer-leading him to be a king, and to ignore hard questions, and facts.

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. The whole point of the slogan "not me, us" is that Bernie isn't some kind of king. This is not a typical campaign where a group of people just follow the leader. I know you're upset because he has a lot of online supporters, some of which can be very aggressive, but you are trying to force a comparison that isn't appropriate. Trump has literally claimed that he is the only one that matters and has been running an exclusionary campaign. Bernie has claimed that he does not matter and has designed his campaign to be as inclusive as possible. You may be getting upset because neither of the campaigns include establishment figures, at least not front and center, but that does not make them the same thing. If you are upset with Bernie because you think his policies suck that's fine. Pretending like he has anything in common with a racist, sexist, authoritarian is utterly inappropriate. There is only one person running on the Democratic ticket that applies to and it isn't Bernie.
 
I think you're looking at this the wrong way. The whole point of the slogan "not me, us" is that Bernie isn't some kind of king. This is not a typical campaign where a group of people just follow the leader. I know you're upset because he has a lot of online supporters, some of which can be very aggressive, but you are trying to force a comparison that isn't appropriate. Trump has literally claimed that he is the only one that matters and has been running an exclusionary campaign. Bernie has claimed that he does not matter and has designed his campaign to be as inclusive as possible. You may be getting upset because neither of the campaigns include establishment figures, at least not front and center, but that does not make them the same thing. If you are upset with Bernie because you think his policies suck that's fine. Pretending like he has anything in common with a racist, sexist, authoritarian is utterly inappropriate. There is only one person running on the Democratic ticket that applies to and it isn't Bernie.

NeverTrump was referring to Sanders' base, not Sanders himself. IMO, you can learn as much or more by examining a politician's base. The Senators who voted to acquit Trump were not fearful of Trump.
 
Does it require outlawing for-profit medical care providers, opening the borders (decriminalizing illegal entry or remaining after a 'temporary' visa expires), making college "free" (retroactively for many dead beats) and doing whatever the GND is supposed to do to "excite the base"? Please keep in mind that much (if not most) of "the (demorat) base" would vote for any DNC POTUS nominee in 2020 and that denying Trump another term requires the support of "independents".
I wasn't speaking to specifics, but to the strategy of pulling one's base vs appealing to those on the other side. Trump has done this effectively & successfully in 2016, and is using the same strategy in 2020. And as of today, I would have to say it would likely allow him to prevail.

In today's political climate, pulling the base may indeed be the way to win. And Dems need to be cognoscente of that. Bernie bring excitement to the party, just as Trump did to his. It may work, or not. But it seems worth a try. Far better than sending Biden out to be HRC 2.0. We saw that movie!
 
I wasn't speaking to specifics, but to the strategy of pulling one's base vs appealing to those on the other side. Trump has done this effectively & successfully in 2016, and is using the same strategy in 2020. And as of today, I would have to say it would likely allow him to prevail.

In today's political climate, pulling the base may indeed be the way to win. And Dems need to be cognoscente of that. Bernie bring excitement to the party, just as Trump did to his. It may work, or not. But it seems worth a try. Far better than sending Biden out to be HRC 2.0. We saw that movie!

Trump's strategy (stated issue positions) did not get my vote in 2016 just as neither Sanders nor Trump will get my vote in 2020. Keep in mind that Sanders, so far, has not even gotten majority support in a DNC primary (or caucus) contest.
 
When they get done diving in Bernie’s dumpster...................
 
In fairness...wouldnt you say EVERY candidate deserves that vetting?
 
Now that Bernie claims he deserves a coronation, he should get the full Hillary Clinton treatment - being relentlessly scrutinized and daily savaged in the press until the General election ends.

So what do 'we' the general public, really know about Bernie Sanders? Aside from a few grainy pictures of him in Russia multiple times, and his three homes, not much. He won't even release his medical records. We should all ignore his rabid trolls and Start vetting him like crazy.

For me personally, Bernie Sanders checks off a lot of the things that I don't like about Trump and his cult-like supporters:

Rabid followers - check.
Populist con artist promises - check.
Main campaign promise is medicare for all which like the wall is unattainable in the congress
Silencing of dissent - check.
Taking over a party - (in progress).

The GOP may be strong enough to survive after Trump, but will the Democrats hold there noses and not only vote for Bernie Sanders, but passionately support everything he says and does just because he's their useful idiot? It seems that the momentum is moving towards that way, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats do the exact same thing that the Republicans did in 2016. It makes me sick.

It is like a cover up. Sander's history:

He went to the USSR. Became a member of the Socialist Workers Party. In college he was a leftwing activist.
BUT then he white-flight moved to a 100% white town, put his kid in a whites-only school, and his history became a history of whiteness.
In his ultra white - no blacks - political environment - he openly opposed busing and claimed the races should be separate or their would be racial disharmony. He repeated this opposition to racial integration again in 2015, claiming white people and black people can't get along and should be separate from each other.

Sanders also was a strong 2A supporter, opposing gun control laws. He tries to explain this away claiming he did so for political expediency - confessing his votes in Congress are not on any ethical basis whatsoever, only political expediency.

n the Senate, sticking to his whiteness, he voted against Democrats to give 6 million Latinos a path to citizenship.

Sanders love of whiteness continues. He only praises the whitest countries on earth.

His wife is a real piece of work too, marketing Sander's name. She became the head of a small university. From that, she presented fake million dollar pledges to the university (they were fake pledges) to get a loan for the university. She then gave the money instead to her daughter for a woodworking school - driving the school into bankruptcy and closing.

Everything about Bernie Sanders is a fake. He's a fraud. He's a white segregationist who plays the get-rich-thru-politics game the same as the others.

The greatest mistake the other candidates are making is not pointing out Sander's racial segregationist past and continuing for decades. Bernie Sanders is a racial segregationist. He is fixated on his whiteness to the extreme. Sander's loves everything "white." Does want any non-people around him or to be allowed to become citizens of the USA. That is his REAL history - though for a few years in college (only) he pretended otherwise.
 
Okay, what are some hard questions you want to ask?

"Senator Sanders, in the 1970s you opposed racial integration of schools by busing. In 2015 you explained what you meant is you believe if white people and black people are together it will cause racial disharmony.
You also voted against Democratic in Congress to block 6 million mostly Latinos and other non-white dreamers having a path to citizenship. After over 3 declares of advocating for racial segregation, has your opinion changed? If so, can you show any legislation you proposed supporting you now oppose racial segregation?"

If the other candidates would hit him on his racial segregation stances it would knock Sander's out. They should call Sanders (accurately) an old, millionaire white racial segregationist a million times, including on TV and radio.
 
"Senator Sanders, in the 1970s you opposed racial integration of schools by busing. In 2015 you explained what you meant is you believe if white people and black people are together it will cause racial disharmony.

"The government ‘‘sometimes does bad in the guise of good things.” According to Sanders, in the long run, busing, as a means toward quality education for all school children, creates racial hostility where it did not previously exist. ‘‘The government doesn’t give a **** about black people,” he said"

You also voted against Democratic in Congress to block 6 million mostly Latinos and other non-white dreamers having a path to citizenship.

Because Sanders sided with the labor unions concerned about the guest worker program.

After over 3 declares of advocating for racial segregation, has your opinion changed? If so, can you show any legislation you proposed supporting you now oppose racial segregation?"

Marching with MLK might qualify.
 
Trump's strategy (stated issue positions) did not get my vote in 2016 just as neither Sanders nor Trump will get my vote in 2020. Keep in mind that Sanders, so far, has not even gotten majority support in a DNC primary (or caucus) contest.
Well, I'm not declaring such a strategy is without risk.
 
"The government ‘‘sometimes does bad in the guise of good things.” According to Sanders, in the long run, busing, as a means toward quality education for all school children, creates racial hostility where it did not previously exist. ‘‘The government doesn’t give a **** about black people,” he said"



Because Sanders sided with the labor unions concerned about the guest worker program.



Marching with MLK might qualify.

Great. Then everyone should know that he opposes citizenship and guest worker programs for immigrants and that he supports racial segregation including in schools - explaining why.

As for marching with MLK, Sanders political history is one of 100% exactly opposite contradictions - all on political expediency. He voted against Democrats on gun control laws, claiming his pure white community he fled NYC to wouldn't vote for him if he wasn't completely pro 2A. After marching with MLK, he was declaring support of racial segregation because that played better in his pure white community, while marching with MLK played well in the college community.

Sanders will say and do ANYTHING for a vote. NOTHING he says politically is based upon anything he actually believes. It is all just political tactics of the moment, nothing else. SS Sanders is a complete fake and fraud. This needs to be pointed out.
 
Now that Bernie claims he deserves a coronation, he should get the full Hillary Clinton treatment - being relentlessly scrutinized and daily savaged in the press until the General election ends.

So what do 'we' the general public, really know about Bernie Sanders? Aside from a few grainy pictures of him in Russia multiple times, and his three homes, not much. He won't even release his medical records. We should all ignore his rabid trolls and Start vetting him like crazy.

For me personally, Bernie Sanders checks off a lot of the things that I don't like about Trump and his cult-like supporters:

Rabid followers - check.
Populist con artist promises - check.
Main campaign promise is medicare for all which like the wall is unattainable in the congress
Silencing of dissent - check.
Taking over a party - (in progress).

The GOP may be strong enough to survive after Trump, but will the Democrats hold there noses and not only vote for Bernie Sanders, but passionately support everything he says and does just because he's their useful idiot? It seems that the momentum is moving towards that way, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats do the exact same thing that the Republicans did in 2016. It makes me sick.

Rabid or passionate followers?
 
Great. Then everyone should know that he opposes citizenship and guest worker programs for immigrants and that he supports racial segregation including in schools - explaining why.

Do you have quota for all the garbage you post or is it a daily wage?
 
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