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Gimmesometruth said:
Because you just made that argument You are not addressing the argument you made.

On the contrary, we have a system that for years has stimied wage gains for the bottom quintile of workers, creating the need to supplement their incomes. If you don't want welfare, then push for efforts to increase their income gains LIKE WE HAD FROM 1945 to 1979.

I know what has been happening in SF, I lived in SD for 10 years (02-12), visiting SF often, I know the affordable housing issue (#1 issue) and the issues that come from that. But then, this is nothing more than concern trolling by you, you do not have ANY solutions.....because you know nothing of the issue. You have never lived there, you have no personal understanding....AND you have spent your time at this forum using every right wing attack against the state and its population. This is just another one of your diatribes where you can't make an argument with any merit, use any factual stats....or speak from personal experience, all you have are right-wing sources and "a friend" (personally, I doubt you have any friends, let alone a liberal friend). And as usual, you can't counter the factual evidence I bring to the table, you can't even quote it. But this is what you do, because this is what you do every day.
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I really want to thank you for opening my eyes and seeing the world as you do. My parents raised me poorly and like Mike Huckabee I feel like an idiot working so hard, raising an incredible family when I could have become a progressive like you and had everyone else pay for me. I should have taken the easy way out. Damn, I am truly an idiot like Huckabee

I Guess I’m NOT As SMART As I Thought | Huckabee - YouTube
 
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Trippy Trekker said:
How much time did you spend with Huckabee before he rendered his opinion?
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Not very much but sure wish I had spent time with prior to creating the life for myself that I have, would have been a lot easier being a progressive liberal
 
Conservative said:
I Mike Huckabee
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Gimmesometruth said:
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That is probably where most liberals belong, China, so they can see what their ideology is all about and live that liberal dream they want. The price of liberalism is what you are seeing in San Francisco and all over the west coast. Your liberal mind won't allow you to see reality
 
Conservative said:
There isn't utopia anywhere but at least in the red states there isn't social engineering and people are free to make choices, good and bad. Not sure how you grew up but it does appear you have no understanding that there are both good and bad consequences for choices.
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Sure, people make good and bad choices, and there are consequences associated with each. I'm not sure how you grew up, but the choices for me where pretty stark since I lived in a high crime area. My choices were the path of least resistance and succumb to joining an illegal world of quick money and fast living, or working hard and within the law to make something better for myself. Your silly assumptions are comical since you often base them on nothing.


You seem to want that perfect world which doesn't exist. Your utopia appears to be guaranteed income for every American, since you ran a business did you guarantee that kind of income for your employees?
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Ah, more grasping at straws. Where have I stated I wanted a "utopia" or a guaranteed income for every American? As for the business I do help run, I pay my employees the high end of the spectrum based on their experience and what they bring to the table. I do think Yang's idea of a guaranteed income is an interesting idea in a world where automation displaces large sections of the work force though; I just don't see this being viable right now.

You are a perfect example of what spoiled liberals really think, social engineering by federal bureaucrats is always the answer when it is always the problem
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"spoiled liberals"
You're a hoot.

What's comical here is that you criticize me for looking to government solutions versus the private sector. Your reliance on the private sector can be critiqued just as easily because that alone isn't the solution. You just lean in the "it's not my problem" camp, where I think we need to solve problems rather than dealing with them when they affect us.


So back to your non-answer, how have GOP solutions worked in Oklahoma City? Mind you, OKC is a GOP city in a GOP state. Since you're complaining about liberal controlled urban centers and positing GOP management being better, then you'll have no problem explaining why this city hasn't miraculously changed under different management.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Sure, people make good and bad choices, and there are consequences associated with each. I'm not sure how you grew up, but the choices for me where pretty stark since I lived in a high crime area. My choices were the path of least resistance and succumb to joining an illegal world of quick money and fast living, or working hard and within the law to make something better for myself. Your silly assumptions are comical since you often base them on nothing.




Ah, more grasping at straws. Where have I stated I wanted a "utopia" or a guaranteed income for every American? As for the business I do help run, I pay my employees the high end of the spectrum based on their experience and what they bring to the table. I do think Yang's idea of a guaranteed income is an interesting idea in a world where automation displaces large sections of the work force though; I just don't see this being viable right now.



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"spoiled liberals"
You're a hoot.

What's comical here is that you criticize me for looking to government solutions versus the private sector. Your reliance on the private sector can be critiqued just as easily because that alone isn't the solution. You just lean in the "it's not my problem" camp, where I think we need to solve problems rather than dealing with them when they affect us.


So back to your non-answer, how have GOP solutions worked in Oklahoma City? Mind you, OKC is a GOP city in a GOP state. Since you're complaining about liberal controlled urban centers and positing GOP management being better, then you'll have no problem explaining why this city hasn't miraculously changed under different management.
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Somewhere in that upbringing you had you must have missed basic civics, economics and government. Our Founders are turning over in their grave with a 4.8 trillion dollar federal gov't and career bureaucrats creating dependence. The private sector is controlled and no one forces any of your workers to work for you or anyone else. Life is about choices, you don't like the job or pay you have, get a new one. No one owes you anything but an opportunity and that is what made America great, equal opportunity.

In three years Trump has done more good for this country than has been generated in decades probably back to Reagan. You love to label people. I label people Americans not Republican or Democrats and it seems that Americans are flocking to Trump. Why don't you tell us exactly what policies Trump has implemented that truly bother you and which Democrat is a better alternative? Silence on this question makes you a typical radical who has no alternatives and just promotes negativity
 
Conservative said:
Somewhere in that upbringing you had you must have missed basic civics, economics and government. Our Founders are turning over in their grave with a 4.8 trillion dollar federal gov't and career bureaucrats creating dependence. The private sector is controlled and no one forces any of your workers to work for you or anyone else. Life is about choices, you don't like the job or pay you have, get a new one. No one owes you anything but an opportunity and that is what made America great, equal opportunity.

In three years Trump has done more good for this country than has been generated in decades probably back to Reagan. You love to label people. I label people Americans not Republican or Democrats and it seems that Americans are flocking to Trump. Why don't you tell us exactly what policies Trump has implemented that truly bother you and which Democrat is a better alternative? Silence on this question makes you a typical radical who has no alternatives and just promotes negativity
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Ok, non answer noted. Your childish attacks on my understanding of civics is noted, but it's all you've got so I understand. Your simplistic summaries about opportunities make it really clear you have no broad understanding of issues outside of your myopic perspective. You complain about me not answering questions when the opposite is true; and as has been demonstrated in other threads, you don't answer mine but instead resort to your ankle biting when you don't have an answer.
 
ElChupacabra said:
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Ok, non answer noted. Your childish attacks on my understanding of civics is noted, but it's all you've got so I understand. Your simplistic summaries about opportunities make it really clear you have no broad understanding of issues outside of your myopic perspective. You complain about me not answering questions when the opposite is true; and as has been demonstrated in other threads, you don't answer mine but instead resort to your ankle biting when you don't have an answer.
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And your inability or running from the question I posed is noted. Not sure what you want in a President but I am getting exactly what I voted for, RESULTS!!

Your supposed broad understanding or claim that of my myopic view of results shows nothing but arrogance. The American people are not reconciling your rhetoric with the results they are seeing and you aren't offering an alternative, you can't because you don't have one. I have answered every direct question, you don't like the answers so keep running
 
Conservative said:
And your inability or running from the question I posed is noted. Not sure what you want in a President but I am getting exactly what I voted for, RESULTS!!
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I haven't run at all, and if you go back through the various threads where I've answered them you'll find varying degrees of detail. To keep repeating myself is a waste of typing, especially since you ask these questions when you're unable to answer the ones I pose specific to a topic.

Your supposed broad understanding or claim that of my myopic view of results shows nothing but arrogance. The American people are not reconciling your rhetoric with the results they are seeing and you aren't offering an alternative, you can't because you don't have one. I have answered every direct question, you don't like the answers so keep running
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Arrogance? From the person who insults and demeans those with whom he doesn't agree?
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I question your premise about OKC issues with crime under GOP, you come back with a question unrelated to the topic. You project a lot, which is perfectly exemplified in this exchange too. You propose an alternative to liberal run cities, but when your alternative is shown to be equally ineffective, you bring in another topic.
 
Conservative said:
There isn't utopia anywhere but at least in the red states there isn't social engineering and people are free to make choices, good and bad. Not sure how you grew up but it does appear you have no understanding that there are both good and bad consequences for choices. You seem to want that perfect world which doesn't exist. Your utopia appears to be guaranteed income for every American, since you ran a business did you guarantee that kind of income for your employees?

You are a perfect example of what spoiled liberals really think, social engineering by federal bureaucrats is always the answer when it is always the problem
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Some people make the poor choice of being mentally ill.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I haven't run at all, and if you go back through the various threads where I've answered them you'll find varying degrees of detail. To keep repeating myself is a waste of typing, especially since you ask these questions when you're unable to answer the ones I pose specific to a topic.



Arrogance? From the person who insults and demeans those with whom he doesn't agree?
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I question your premise about OKC issues with crime under GOP, you come back with a question unrelated to the topic. You project a lot, which is perfectly exemplified in this exchange too. You propose an alternative to liberal run cities, but when your alternative is shown to be equally ineffective, you bring in another topic.
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I don't see any reason to continue this discussion or continue to communicate with you. The OP speaks for itself and is accurate, the Trump economic results are resonating with the American people particularly independents and African Americans, and the Democrats are in disarray destroying itself from within. You want to talk about OKC while ignoring SF? LOL, had to go deep to find a red city didn't you and want to bet the results there are still better than SF?

The liberal ideology is a disaster and the American people are seeing that.
 
Nickyjo said:
Some people make the poor choice of being mentally ill.
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Nice diversion, the bluest state in the country that has the answers for the rest of us cannot solve their own problems but by some magic reason should elect the President of the United States. That is liberal logic and why liberals have no credibility
 
Conservative said:
I don't see any reason to continue this discussion or continue to communicate with you. The OP speaks for itself and is accurate,
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It makes sense you wouldn't want to continue because you cannot stay on topic, and the point of your OP failed when challenged. You critique liberal management, but when shown GOP management hasn't been a solve all solution, you go back to your usual schtick.

the Trump economic results are resonating with the American people particularly independents and African Americans, and the Democrats are in disarray destroying itself from within.
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Irrelevant to the topic.

You want to talk about OKC while ignoring SF? LOL, had to go deep to find a red city didn't you and want to bet the results there are still better than SF?

The liberal ideology is a disaster and the American people are seeing that.
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You make a thread about the management of political party management of a particular city, so I'm asking you why GOP management of an urban center had failed as well because you're implying conservatism/GOP is an alternative. I didn't have to go deep at all; it's not like I'm referring to some small town in Appalachia. Liberal polices, like conservative policies, have hits and misses. If there's one thing I'm ideologically consistent with, is accepting that a combination of both types of ideologies help keep this country on an even course.
 
Conservative said:
Nice diversion, the bluest state in the country that has the answers for the rest of us cannot solve their own problems but by some magic reason should elect the President of the United States. That is liberal logic and why liberals have no credibility
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You're going to double down?
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By your same criteria, how are red states going to show the way since they haven't solved their issues?
 
ElChupacabra said:
You're going to double down?
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By your same criteria, how are red states going to show the way since they haven't solved their issues?
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Really pisses you off that you aren't able to deduct the high cost of liberalism from your federal returns, doesn't it? You continue to miss the point as usual, Hillary won California the bluest state in the nation by 4 million votes and California leads the nation in poverty, homeless, worst quality of life, highest cost of living, most illegals and this is the model you people want for the rest of the country?
 
Conservative said:
Really pisses you off that you aren't able to deduct the high cost of liberalism from your federal returns, doesn't it? You continue to miss the point as usual, Hillary won California the bluest state in the nation by 4 million votes and California leads the nation in poverty, homeless, worst quality of life, highest cost of living, most illegals and this is the model you people want for the rest of the country?
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That does not even begin to cover how badly this state has been mismanaged...Look for instance at PG&E and the other utilities, look at their dams and water systems, look at how the universities have declined, look at High Speed Rail and the other transportation systems....almost everything is poorly done....
 
Conservative said:
Really pisses you off that you aren't able to deduct the high cost of liberalism from your federal returns, doesn't it?
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:lamo
Nope. Not sure what that has to do with anything other than you grasping at straws.

You continue to miss the point as usual, Hillary won California the bluest state in the nation by 4 million votes and California leads the nation in poverty, homeless, worst quality of life, highest cost of living, most illegals and this is the model you people want for the rest of the country?
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I'm sure you'll dodge this too, but by your very same standard, why are you absolutely silent about red states which have high rates of poverty? To make matters worse, some of those states aren't generating wealth either. You can critique California's policies, but you never make a peep about the other states which have similar issues.
 
But liberals love the sanctuary cities.
 
ElChupacabra said:
:lamo
Nope. Not sure what that has to do with anything other than you grasping at straws.



I'm sure you'll dodge this too, but by your very same standard, why are you absolutely silent about red states which have high rates of poverty? To make matters worse, some of those states aren't generating wealth either. You can critique California's policies, but you never make a peep about the other states which have similar issues.
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Because Red state poverty is due to personal choice made by the citizens of the state not to adopt the blue state ideology. This thread topic is about liberalism and the ideology of social engineering that doesn't generate the results promised but does create the intended dependence. States will always have poverty but people are fleeing to states with low taxes and personal choices that allow people to make the decisions not bureaucrats
 
Conservative said:
Because Red state poverty is due to personal choice made by the citizens of the state not to adopt the blue state ideology. This thread topic is about liberalism and the ideology of social engineering that doesn't generate the results promised but does create the intended dependence. States will always have poverty but people are fleeing to states with low taxes and personal choices that allow people to make the decisions not bureaucrats
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That is a deciding factor when I moved to Alaska from southern California, where I was born and raised. That, and the fact that the fascist Democrats violated my Second Amendment rights with their illegal retroactive gun ban in 1989. Alaska knows how to treat its citizens. No state income or sale taxes, and they respect my individual right to keep and bear arms. The exact opposite of California really.
 
Conservative said:
Because Red state poverty is due to personal choice made by the citizens of the state not to adopt the blue state ideology. This thread topic is about liberalism and the ideology of social engineering that doesn't generate the results promised but does create the intended dependence. States will always have poverty but people are fleeing to states with low taxes and personal choices that allow people to make the decisions not bureaucrats
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Liberalism is not an economic political philosophy but you go full on with your misuse of terms.
 
Glitch said:
That is a deciding factor when I moved to Alaska from southern California, where I was born and raised. That, and the fact that the fascist Democrats violated my Second Amendment rights with their illegal retroactive gun ban in 1989. Alaska knows how to treat its citizens. No state income or sale taxes, and they respect my individual right to keep and bear arms. The exact opposite of California really.
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Do you feel better carrying a gun for your own protection from the freezing weather?
 
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