Does the liberal left see Pence as a serial ripoff artist like they do with Trump?

Let me guess. Trump told you this complete BS and you believed him like a good sycophant. There is no agreement with Mexico to pay for any wall. Nor is Mexico paying for the wall through some mysterious backdoor channel that only you and Trump know about. The US taxpayer is paying for a tiny section of wall it took Trump 4 years to build.

Wow. For someone who considers himself a conservative you really blow me away.

You do realize that Trump has fought to build the wall and the case went as high as the supreme court? I'm sure you'll have another excuse as to why that's not relevant.

That is precisely what a Trump sycophant would say. Considering that Congress has passed the last 3 budget with a veto-proof majority and not giving Trump any say on the budget whatsoever, he is doing a fantastic job.

No, he took back the nation from certain death at the hands of Hillary Clinton - Your welcome

Who told you about this "procedure," that the withdrawl had to wait until after the 2020 General Election? Oh yea, that would be Trump. And you believed him yet again. You might want to look up the meaning of "dupe" because it is applicable in your case. The fact of the matter is that Trump could have pulled out of the Paris Agreement at any time he wished. There is no language preventing or delaying withdrawal. Trump lied and you bought it hook-line-and-sinker. You are exactly the kind of voter Trump is counting on.

I don't read Wikipedia fantasies. Post from a credible source

How about the BBC?

Paris climate accords: US notifies UN of intention to withdraw - BBC News

You are literally debating a point that has already been settled! Trump is pulling us out of the Paris Climate accords. DEAL WITH IT!


He is the President. Presidents don't vote. I do remember the Republican-controlled House and Senate refusing to repeal ObamaCare, which means that Trump clearly failed to keep his promise.

Obviously I was referring to the vote itself that Trump was pushing for. Trump made the effort and would have had it in the bag except for McCain, the traitor and liar that he was. Apparently you don't count massive efforts to repeal Obamacare worthy of any credit at all. Not to mention the fact that most of it has been repealed anyway so to see you stringing this out is cute.

You are literally debating a point that isnt up for debate... it's already been settled. We've moved on.

The wall was started under Bush43, and he built more wall than Trump ever will. Once again Trump failed to keep his promise.

If I remember correctly the wall has stood in disrepair for the past twenty years? And Trump comes a long to repair and replace and you give the credit to Bush?

Wow you are really that far gone.

Maybe this time he won't make promises that only Congress can keep, but I'm not holding my breath.[/QUOTE]

In case you need some extra homework, here is a list of accomplishments you need to write off as well:

The median Hispanic American income rose by $1,786 during President Trump’s first year in office.

01.27.20
Since President Trump was elected, 7.3 million jobs were created.

01.17.20
Pres. Trump’s Administration crossed the 100-mile mark, with 100 miles of wall built. Pres. Trump is fulfilling his promise to build a border wall, with large portions finished or under construction.

01.11.20
The Trump Administration imposed new sanctions on Iran following attacks on U.S. and allied troops in Iraq by the Iranian military.

01.10.20
In December, the Hispanic American unemployment rate was at a near record low of 4.2%.

01.10.20
December marked the 22nd consecutive month that the unemployment rate was at or below 4%.

01.10.20
174,000 jobs were created in December.

01.10.20
In 2019, 1.5 million jobs were added for women. This accounts for more than 50% of total job gains for the first time ever.

01.10.20
In 2019, 2.1 million new jobs were created.

01.10.20
President Trump issued changes to the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) to reduce regulation and allow for infrastructure and transportation projects to move forward.

01.09.20
Signed the bipartisan Tobacco-Free Youth Act to raise the nationwide age for purchasing tobacco and vaping products to 21 years old.

01.03.20
President Trump has nominated, and the Senate has confirmed a grand total of 187 Article III judges.

01.03.20
The Administration ordered a precision strike that killed the number one terrorist in the world Qasem Soleimani who was plotting attacks on American diplomats and military personnel.

01.02.20
President Trump agreed to a phase one trade deal with China that included a strong enforcement mechanism.

12.31.19
President Trump continued to prioritize cutting unnecessary job-killing regulations, having done so at a historic pace since taking office.

12.31.19
Under President Trump, incomes for black Americans have increased by 2.6%.

Nickyjo said:

Oh calm down, no one is treasonous. That might happen if democrats solicited help from foreign nations in elections.

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You mean like Clinton/Gore did with China? By the way a coup is treason, whether it succeeds or fails.

Night_Ranger said:

You do realize that Trump has fought to build the wall and the case went as high as the supreme court?

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Fighting for something isn't building it, is it? Trump didn't promise to "fight to build a wall" he promised to actually build a wall. Furthermore, he promised that Mexico would pay for it. Neither have come true.

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You are literally debating a point that has already been settled! Trump is pulling us out of the Paris Climate accords. DEAL WITH IT!

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Only if he wins in November. Meanwhile the US has been part of the Paris Agreement for the last 3+ years and paying for it through the nose, thanks entirely to Trump.

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Obviously I was referring to the vote itself that Trump was pushing for. Trump made the effort and would have had it in the bag except for McCain, the traitor and liar that he was. Apparently you don't count massive efforts to repeal Obamacare worthy of any credit at all. Not to mention the fact that most of it has been repealed anyway so to see you stringing this out is cute.

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Once again Trump didn't promise to "make an effort" or to "push for" the repeal of ObamaCare, he promised the repeal of ObamaCare. Once again failing his promise.

You keep changing what Trump actually promised to something he never promised. Why do you feel the need to deliberately lie?

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If I remember correctly the wall has stood in disrepair for the past twenty years?

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You obviously don't remember correctly. Bush43 built 653 miles of wall along the 1,954-mile border for a cost of $7 billion as late as 2008.

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And Trump comes a long to repair and replace and you give the credit to Bush?

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Trump comes along and adds ~100 miles of new wall and repairs ~40 miles of existing wall while charging US taxpayers $1.375 billion. And here you are claiming Trump has kept his promise and built the remaining 1,301 miles at Mexico's expense. How long were you going to pretend that fantasy was true?

Sycophants never hold their idols accountable for their failed promises. They just make excuses for them.

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Fighting for something isn't building it, is it? Trump didn't promise to "fight to build a wall" he promised to actually build a wall. Furthermore, he promised that Mexico would pay for it. Neither have come true.

He is actually building the wall so you are wrong again. In case you didn't notice, he's had to fight the battle in the supreme court and appropriate funding despite the do nothing democrats best efforts to prevent this. Trump is facing unprecedented opposition and you are failing to take this into account, which is the major flaw in your entire line of thinking. Trump cannot simply wave a magic wand.

Only if he wins in November. Meanwhile the US has been part of the Paris Agreement for the last 3+ years and paying for it through the nose, thanks entirely to Trump.

So Trump is pulling out of the Paris climate accords after all? that's what I thought. Another promise kept.

Once again Trump didn't promise to "make an effort" or to "push for" the repeal of ObamaCare, he promised the repeal of ObamaCare. Once again failing his promise.

He promised to repeal and replace and he as done both of those things. Apparently your facts have not been updated in a number of years.

You keep changing what Trump actually promised to something he never promised. Why do you feel the need to deliberately lie?

Im not. He promised to replace Obamacare and that's exactly what he has done. Apparently Trump lives in a vacuum where his promises must come true in a heartbeat and if they don't it means Trump was just leading us on to get votes. No, your interpretation is just way off the mark.

You obviously don't remember correctly. Bush43 built 653 miles of wall along the 1,954-mile border for a cost of $7 billion as late as 2008.

Trump comes along and adds ~100 miles of new wall and repairs ~40 miles of existing wall while charging US taxpayers $1.375 billion. And here you are claiming Trump has kept his promise and built the remaining 1,301 miles at Mexico's expense. How long were you going to pretend that fantasy was true?

Right, so you admit Trump is building the border wall - thank you! Not sure why that had to be so difficult. USMCA will pay for the wall if you consider the new deal relative to the old deal (nafta)

Sycophants never hold their idols accountable for their failed promises. They just make excuses for them.

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Am I emotionally invested in Trump? Sure. But does he mean business? Yes he does. And he certainly didn't win on empty promises.

Again, I think you are forgetting how much opposition Trump is facing. For example, parts of the southern border has been scooped up by very powerful liberals aimed at delaying the building of the wall as much as possible.

Their tactics are paying off, but more importantly, know where to place the blame.

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Am I emotionally invested in Trump? Sure. But does he mean business? Yes he does. And he certainly didn't win on empty promises.

Again, I think you are forgetting how much opposition Trump is facing. For example, parts of the southern border has been scooped up by very powerful liberals aimed at delaying the building of the wall as much as possible.

Their tactics are paying off, but more importantly, know where to place the blame.

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I'm not forgetting a thing. I'm reminding you how utterly stupid it was for Trump to make promises that he could never keep. Like Bush41's "read my lips, no new taxes" promise, it was impossible to keep. If he had said "I will work with Congress to repeal ObamaCare" that would have been totally different from "I will repeal ObamaCare." Or if he had promised to "work with Congress to complete the wall along the Mexico border" that would have been totally different from "I will build a wall and make Mexico pay for it." One deals with reality, the other is complete fiction that could never happen.

Presidential candidates that make promises only Congress can keep only get votes from the civically illiterate. Those who actually comprehend how their government actually functions laugh at such moronic promises.

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I'm not forgetting a thing. I'm reminding you how utterly stupid it was for Trump to make promises that he could never keep. Like Bush41's "read my lips, no new taxes" promise, it was impossible to keep. If he had said "I will work with Congress to repeal ObamaCare" that would have been totally different from "I will repeal ObamaCare." Or if he had promised to "work with Congress to complete the wall along the Mexico border" that would have been totally different from "I will build a wall and make Mexico pay for it." One deals with reality, the other is complete fiction that could never happen.

Presidential candidates that make promises only Congress can keep only get votes from the civically illiterate. Those who actually comprehend how their government actually functions laugh at such moronic promises.

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I don't agree with your supposition at all. Especially in light of the evidence that Trump is in fact building a wall, is in fact pulling us out of the paris climate accords and is in fact fixing trade deals.

So all of your points are pretty much dead in the water at this point anyway.

In fact I am not happy to see a fellow conservative with such an aversion to Trump.

Especially since the evidence of his incredible delivery on promises is right under your nose.

Believe it or not I've heard this line of thinking before and most of the time it comes from uneducated liberals who think Trump is a republican in name only. Almost as bad as the pretzel shape you've put yourself in here.

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You mean like Clinton/Gore did with China? By the way a coup is treason, whether it succeeds or fails.

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It wasn’t a coup. No soldiers marching into the White House to remove the president. He was impeached, not convicted, end of story, except for his shameful performance at the prayer breakfast.

Night_Ranger said:

I know, you bring up Trump and you hear inevitable echoes from the liberal left peanut gallery...
He's a grifter!
He's a demagogue
He's a sycophant
He's a serial liar and rapist
So on and so forth.

So my question is very simple, how do these same people view Pence? Do they see him as a stooge for going along with Trump? Do they see him as less of a threat than Trump because he is less vocal?

Essentially let's compare character to character.

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First, any conservative or Trump supporter who is willing to make a blanket statement that the left will see Pence in the same light as Trump is fairly naive. I'm sure there's a handful out there that might believe that, but no...most on the left see Pence as something completely different than Trump.

Politically speaking, Pence has far more experience than Trump has. Pence, to me, is a much, much lighter version of Dick Cheney. Pence, as President, would probably do a better job of picking people to work for him as opposed to all the losers Trump chooses. At least, in terms of navigating his agenda. He will be more polished, more respectable and we will most likely never see twitter tantrums from him.

What the left doesn't like about him is his homophobia (a small part of me wonders if he is actually gay). We believe he wants to install a Christian theocracy. Horrible record for the rights of America women (although, I would be shocked if he actually tried to grab anyone's crotch. While his racism is not public like Trump's is, it is there in his support of certain immigration policies. And honestly...I think he is VERY weak on foreign affairs and is not that strong on economics.

While better than Trump in many respects, I feel that Pence would also be a weak president...just not AS weak as Trump.

Nickyjo said:

It wasn’t a coup. No soldiers marching into the White House to remove the president. He was impeached, not convicted, end of story, except for his shameful performance at the prayer breakfast.

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A coup d'état (/ˌkuː deɪˈtɑː/ About this soundlisten (help·info); French: [ku deta], literally "blow of state"; plural: coups d'état, pronounced like the singular form), also known simply as a coup (/ˌkuː/), or an overthrow, is the overthrow of an existing government by non-democratic means; typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a dictator, the military, or a political faction.

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Since the Articles of Impeachment passed by the House were illegal, that makes it the second attempt by Democrats to illegally overthrow a lawfully elected President. The first failed coup attempt was orchestrated by Hillary, Obama, and Comey with the Russian collusion BS. Everyone who voted for those illegal Articles of Impeachment should be arrested, tried for treason, and then shot.

Any man or woman with an "R" after their name will get the same treatment!

Standard protocol for a very long time.

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I don't agree with your supposition at all. Especially in light of the evidence that Trump is in fact building a wall, is in fact pulling us out of the paris climate accords and is in fact fixing trade deals.

So all of your points are pretty much dead in the water at this point anyway.

In fact I am not happy to see a fellow conservative with such an aversion to Trump.

Especially since the evidence of his incredible delivery on promises is right under your nose.

Believe it or not I've heard this line of thinking before and most of the time it comes from uneducated liberals who think Trump is a republican in name only. Almost as bad as the pretzel shape you've put yourself in here.

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Please tell me you are not that stupid to believe Trump is even remotely conservative. The very first time Trump became a Republican was in 2012, specifically to run for President in 2016. He had been a registered Democrat and a huge Hillary supporter prior to 2012. He also praised and supported Obama, but in 2008 Trump supported and voted for Hillary over Obama. Trump has been a registered Democrat the overwhelming majority of his life. In 2000 he once again changed parties and registered with the Reform Party, again in order to run for President.

Trump is only interested in Trump. He has no ideology that doesn't involve his own self-interest. You clearly don't know as much about Trump as you think, or you have chosen to deliberately delude yourself. Trump is a POS draft-dodging leftist coward, and always has been. The ONLY reason he is President is because Hillary was even worse.

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Please tell me you are not that stupid to believe Trump is even remotely conservative. The very first time Trump became a Republican was in 2012, specifically to run for President in 2016. He had been a registered Democrat and a huge Hillary supporter prior to 2012. He also praised and supported Obama, but in 2008 Trump supported and voted for Hillary over Obama. Trump has been a registered Democrat the overwhelming majority of his life. In 2000 he once again changed parties and registered with the Reform Party, again in order to run for President.

Trump is only interested in Trump. He has no ideology that doesn't involve his own self-interest. You clearly don't know as much about Trump as you think, or you have chosen to deliberately delude yourself. Trump is a POS draft-dodging leftist coward, and always has been. The ONLY reason he is President is because Hillary was even worse.

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That must be why the democrats tried to impeach him, right? Because he was one of them? lol

I am going to make this short and sweet. You are a disgrace to the conservative nameplate and a disgrace to the fight for freedom that Trump is actively waging against the liberal left on a daily basis. For this gross betrayal of republican and conservative values, I consider your political standing in the nation as far lower than liberal democrats and progressives alike. Im not wasting anymore time on you. I've learned over the past few years that people who espouse the view that Trump is a RINO are beyond reasoning, beyond rational debate and beyond redemption. Good luck with your crackpot theory, I'm sure you'll get a lot of love from both sides of the isle if you sing it from the mountain tops.

In fact the only person lower than people like you in my book is Barack Obama himself. Congrats on your 2nd place finish!

The Regressive Left see Pence someone who might be one day in the way of their holding power, in which case as is with all people who get in the way of their power he will need to be neutralized.

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That must be why the democrats tried to impeach him, right? Because he was one of them? lol

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Democrats are morons, you know this. All they see is the "R" at the end of his name. It doesn't matter that he was a registered Democrat for 50 years, or a registered Reform Party member for 4 years. It doesn't matter that Hillary attended Trump's wedding and they were great friends for 20 years, right up until 2012. Publicly praising her criminal acts as Secretary of State.

Trump is currently a registered Republican now, and that is enough in the deranged and diseased minds of Democrats. It is also enough to make you mistakenly think Trump is somehow a conservative. Apparently Democrats aren't the only ones who are simple minded.

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Democrats are morons, you know this. All they see is the "R" at the end of his name. It doesn't matter that he was a registered Democrat for 50 years, or a registered Reform Party member for 4 years. It doesn't matter that Hillary attended Trump's wedding and they were great friends for 20 years, right up until 2012. Publicly praising her criminal acts as Secretary of State.

Trump is currently a registered Republican now, and that is enough in the deranged and diseased minds of Democrats. It is also enough to make you mistakenly think Trump is somehow a conservative. Apparently Democrats aren't the only ones who are simple minded.

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Dude, like I said. I'm not wasting anymore time on this. The party you claim Trump belongs to just tried to have him removed from office using underhanded tactics. There is a reason they want him out of there, only you don't get it because you are working with an incomplete picture. Besides, if Trump was a democrat he would have ran WITH Hillary and NOT against her, right? lol

It's like you are on the moon or something. I've been through this so many times I've even created a meme for people like you... enjoy living in your alternative reality because I am nearly 100% certain your condition is terminal. Unless you have a spiritual awakening or something.

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Dude, like I said. I'm not wasting anymore time on this. The party you claim Trump belongs to just tried to have him removed from office using underhanded tactics. There is a reason they want him out of there, only you don't get it because you are working with an incomplete picture. Besides, if Trump was a democrat he would have ran WITH Hillary and NOT against her, right? lol

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Right, because Democrats never campaign against each other. ROFL! I guess I can stop asking whether or not you are truly that stupid. With five Democrat candidates currently running against each other you have more than amply demonstrated your stupidity.

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It's like you are on the moon or something. I've been through this so many times I've even created a meme for people like you...

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Further demonstrating that you are wrong. How many thousands of others have told you Trump was a flaming socialist leftist that you chose to ignore? I'm obviously not the only one.

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So Pence hasn't been caught on video bragging about leveraging a 1.2B loan in getting the prosecutor general of another nation fired or anything like that?

Have pence' children tested positive for cocaine?

And I know exactly what the term means. MY favorite term is probably grifter.

Seems strange that such a straight a shooter like pence would associate with a scum of the earth slime ball like Donald Trump.

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Probably because Trump is not a “scum of the Earth slime ball”. However those who continue to spout such nonsense,probably are.


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[/QUOTE]Pence knows how politics works. He know how to get a deal done and how to get a bill passed. He's not an idiot, he's not a narcissist, he's not without any moral compass. We won't like him.[/QUOTE]

That is a PERFECT characterization of why the Dems will be on the outside looking in. Trump knows how to unshackle business and get the economy rolling again, Pence is taking notes. He will be ready, and you still won’t like him.


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Probably because Trump is not a “scum of the Earth slime ball”. However those who continue to spout such nonsense,probably are.


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Yes, I'm on your side I was just adding that for effect because it's the standard language the liberal left use to describe Trump.

In reality, they are the pot calling the kettle black.

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Right, because Democrats never campaign against each other. ROFL! I guess I can stop asking whether or not you are truly that stupid. With five Democrat candidates currently running against each other you have more than amply demonstrated your stupidity.

Further demonstrating that you are wrong. How many thousands of others have told you Trump was a flaming socialist leftist that you chose to ignore? I'm obviously not the only one.

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When you debunk all of the following accomplishments and promises kept, perhaps then we can talk.

Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.