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    Abuse of power, obstruction of congress

    So this is the "crimes" upon which that democrats want to impeach and remove. Where is a "crime" under judicial statute in U.S. law? Why did democrats not cry out when Obama did a prisoner swap for Beau Berkdall. That was clearly without congressional approval and illegal. When Obama gave pseudo citizenship to Dreamers without Congressional approval? When Obama ordered his administration and the A.G. not to hand over documents regarding Fast and Furious?
    Sure is a one way street.
    Where are the crimes. If trump is actually convinced that the Bidens were participating to corrupt monetary gain by selling the position of the VP, is that a crime to seek out the answers? I'd say no way. Joe Biden, "I told them they didn't get the Billion dollars if they didn't fire the prosecutor. I'll be a son of a bitch, they fired him."

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    There is no crime.

    It's a circus. The senate will cast their vote, Trump will be found innocent, and that will be it. The impeachment is a huge waste of time and taxpayer dollars.

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    Re: Abuse of power, obstruction of congress

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    There is no crime.
    Someone didn't get the memo.

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    Re: Abuse of power, obstruction of congress

    Integrityrespec is talking about 'judicial' crimes not impeachment.

    swing_voter understands the GOP circus in the Senate will find Trump but does not understand that the Senate cannot find him innocent only Not Guilty The info coming out however will add to the growing indictments of Trump in the various states when he leaves office.
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    Re: Abuse of power, obstruction of congress

    Even Trump's closest defenders in the Senate said that ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lindsey Graham
    you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role." He also argued that "impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.
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    Re: Abuse of power, obstruction of congress

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    There is no crime.

    It's a circus. The senate will cast their vote, Trump will be found innocent, and that will be it. The impeachment is a huge waste of time and taxpayer dollars.
    I am looking forward to Trump finally being afforded the opportunity to respond to the democrats accusations.
    Imo any and all witnesses that he wants to offer as part of his defense should be allowed. I would not allow the Democrats any new witnesses outside of sny that can offer direct testimony to whatever defense Trump presents.
    Democrats up to this point have been moving the goal posts with their accusations constantly changing. Now that the articles of impeachment have been sent to the Senate, that game needs to be put a stop to. If they allow new witnesses the democrats will continue to play the same game of making it like trying to nail slime to a wall. Let them howl about it being unfair all they want. They have slready made it abundandtly clear they have no intention of operating in good faith.
    In my mind theres two big questions that need to be answered.
    1. How each senator votes
    2. How voters will react to it in November.
    This trial is going to happen and everyone in congress will be on record. Theres no equivocating.

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    Re: Abuse of power, obstruction of congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Integrityrespec View Post
    So this is the "crimes" upon which that democrats want to impeach and remove. Where is a "crime" under judicial statute in U.S. law? Why did democrats not cry out when Obama did a prisoner swap for Beau Berkdall. That was clearly without congressional approval and illegal. When Obama gave pseudo citizenship to Dreamers without Congressional approval? When Obama ordered his administration and the A.G. not to hand over documents regarding Fast and Furious?
    Sure is a one way street.
    Where are the crimes. If trump is actually convinced that the Bidens were participating to corrupt monetary gain by selling the position of the VP, is that a crime to seek out the answers? I'd say no way. Joe Biden, "I told them they didn't get the Billion dollars if they didn't fire the prosecutor. I'll be a son of a bitch, they fired him."
    How many hundreds of times will it take to understand no 'crime' needs to be committed for an impeachment. Impeachment is not the judicial system and has nothing to do with a court of law, laws.

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    Re: Abuse of power, obstruction of congress

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    I am looking forward to Trump finally being afforded the opportunity to respond to the democrats accusations.
    Imo any and all witnesses that he wants to offer as part of his defense should be allowed. I would not allow the Democrats any new witnesses outside of sny that can offer direct testimony to whatever defense Trump presents.
    Democrats up to this point have been moving the goal posts with their accusations constantly changing. Now that the articles of impeachment have been sent to the Senate, that game needs to be put a stop to. If they allow new witnesses the democrats will continue to play the same game of making it like trying to nail slime to a wall. Let them howl about it being unfair all they want. They have slready made it abundandtly clear they have no intention of operating in good faith.
    In my mind theres two big questions that need to be answered.
    1. How each senator votes
    2. How voters will react to it in November.
    This trial is going to happen and everyone in congress will be on record. Theres no equivocating.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the president who is blocking people from testifying and refusing to turn over any documents?

    I would double-check my opinion of who isn't operating in good faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the president who is blocking people from testifying and refusing to turn over any documents?

    I would double-check my opinion of who isn't operating in good faith.
    You are correct he has raised objections to releasing information requested by congress. Correct me if im wrong now, but congress have choosen not to challenge his objections in a court of law. If they feel they have a legitimate complaint (which i believe they do) they should make their argument in front of a judge.
    I have a theory why they are avoiding the courts. As i said above i believe they would win in court about having people show up, depending on which documents they want, they would win some of those as well. The problem they have is that each question and document they want is also subject to being challenged and scrutinized by the court. I think they will lose many of those challenges and they would. The court is going to grant them things that do not pertain to evidence of a crime when no crime is being alleged.

    I keep hearing about how Bolton is a key witness that has needed testimony. If they feel that way, theres nothing stopping the house from calling him in front of one of their committees and extracting this supposed essential testimony and giving it to the managers to present as part of their case against Trump. Can you explain why they have subpoenaed him?

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    Re: Abuse of power, obstruction of congress

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    You are correct he has raised objections to releasing information requested by congress. Correct me if im wrong now, but congress have choosen not to challenge his objections in a court of law. If they feel they have a legitimate complaint (which i believe they do) they should make their argument in front of a judge.
    I have a theory why they are avoiding the courts. As i said above i believe they would win in court about having people show up, depending on which documents they want, they would win some of those as well. The problem they have is that each question and document they want is also subject to being challenged and scrutinized by the court. I think they will lose many of those challenges and they would. The court is going to grant them things that do not pertain to evidence of a crime when no crime is being alleged.

    I keep hearing about how Bolton is a key witness that has needed testimony. If they feel that way, theres nothing stopping the house from calling him in front of one of their committees and extracting this supposed essential testimony and giving it to the managers to present as part of their case against Trump. Can you explain why they have subpoenaed him?

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    Is that what you call what the president is doing, raising objections?

    It should be apparent if this went through the court system we would still be in the court system five years from now.

    Trump has been impeached and that will never go away. What the senate does is on the senate.
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