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Does anyone really believe Iran’s top general personally orchestrated a terrorist attack?!?!

I didn't mean Trump got Soleimani blood all over his tuxedo I just meant he approved the hit. Mkay?

You also claimed Obama bragged about his order to hit Bin Laden. Got a link to support that positive claim ?
 
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That word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Trump personally approved the hit on Soleimani what the hell's your problem?
 
You asked here you go.



'Specifically', at what point in that one minute, 58 second video, does the 'bragging' take place ( per you positive claim ) ? Post the time stamp and/or the words. thanks
 
'Specifically', at what point in that one minute, 58 second video, does the 'bragging' take place ( per you positive claim ) ? Post the time stamp and/or the words. thanks

The whole video was bragging. He put on make up and everything for it and you know it's playing in his presidential library. He got bin Laden when neither of the Bush's could.
 
The whole video was bragging. He put on make up and everything for it and you know it's playing in his presidential library. He got bin Laden when neither of the Bush's could.

define 'bragging'. Then tell us how that definition applies to 'anything' stated in that video. Furthermore, if 'putting on make-up' in anyway makes one as a 'bragger', then your other positive claim 'Trump didn't brag' goes straight into the crapper. Correct ?
 
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In all of human history, has any nation ever sent their top general to orchestrate a terrorist attack?!!

A general who is the PUBLIC face of your official military?!?!

That is not in a top general’s job description.. I mean sure he could order a terrorist attack, but would they personally over see one?!?!

That just seems ridiculous imho.. that is the kinda job you put a black ops champ on.. Not your militaries head official!

Hell, plausible deniability is like your secondary goal.. primary being the terrorist attack...


That would be the equivalent of finding out that Colin Powell personally oversaw a terrorist attack while he was Secretary of State?!!

Is it just me or does that sound just insanely illogical..




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It may sound iinsanely illogical to you, but the activities of the Iranian Quds forces have been periodically reported on for years.

They played a role in the chaos on Iraq after the US invasion, when the Americans were stupid enough to invade a country without understanding the country they’ve invaded, or have a plan for what comes next.

Iran was involved before the US invasion even started.

They had established a long relationship with Ahmed Chalabi, the Shia Iraqi refugee and international con man who was behind most of the fictional claims about Sadaam Hussein and non existent WMD’s.

Iran saw a real opportunity in the Bush administration’s incompetence, and sought to make Iraq a Shia controlled state.

Cheney and Rumsfeld helped them. Shia have run every government in Iraq since Paul Bremer’s ignominious departure. And Shia clerics and militia still stir the pot in what is still a very unstable country.

Did Suleimani call the shots and make the plans? I don’t know. But I do believe that he is one of the architects of Iranian asymetrical warfare.

But only a true Trumpster would believe that his death put an end to any of that.

Right now, I doubt that anyone believes that, which makes his assasination all the more pointless.
 
I take back everything I said about bragging. I don't care if Trump brags about killing a terrorist or if Iran brags about shooting down a civilian Boeing 737.
 
And, yeah, I firmly believe that dude was involved in lots of attacks.

He was a SOCOM-type nerd. That's what they DO.
 
Wait. What?

I've been through this already Trump approved it personally he wasn't flying the drone. He could have but he has people to do that for him.
 
WHAT?!?!

Was the terrorist attack an entire war?!?!

No it would be like swartzkopf entering a foreign nation under false pretenses. Then orchestrating the bombing of a building..

That is in no way a job the head of a national military would personally do..

He would order his black ops team to do it and make sure every Iranian military official has an alibi.


Hell, the fact the top general was even in the same country imho points to the fact the Iranian government was not involved.

If the Iranian government were planning a terrorist attack, wouldn’t you make sure your military bigwigs had alibis?!?!
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So you are saying that the commander of Quds, indisputably in Syria as well as Iraq on prior occasions, couldn't have been in Iraq approving a new round of attacks on Americans and the embassy, while also arranging for the delivery of man portable ground to air missiles and Katushka (sp?) rockets.

And how do you know this? Why, you say, because proper generals don't do such tawdry things. The very idea that a military leader of a covert military group might meet with subordinates and allied terrorists to plot wrong-doing is just unthinkable, its not what a gentlemanly General does (I guess he is supposed to be golfing). To even meet with his own men means he is a Nick Fury, right?

Frankly, if your post was intended as satirizing the whack-a-doodle excuse making and laughable rationalizations of the anti-war crowd you've done a bang up job. If not, no one here has the medical credentials to help you.
 
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Erm, you understanding Soleimani was not the head of the military, correct? He was the commanding officer of the Quds force, which was a part of the IRGC, which is a part of the overall Iranian military. He was several notches down from the head of the military. He was popular and well known, but he was not the equivalent of Colin Powell in 91.

Go read about the Iranian order of battle.

If that is the case I apologize . The stories I have seen have sold him as if he were the head of the military.


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If that is the case I apologize . The stories I have seen have sold him as if he were the head of the military.


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Fair enough, most people don't follow military hierarchies around the world. He was the head of Quds, a relatively small (20,000 personnel) portion of the overall Iranian military. It is just that this Quds force is responsible for most of their covert international operations (read: terrorism) and causes the most problems for everyone else. It is also relatively high profile.

It is sort of like the head of JSOC. Not at the top of the US military food chain, but gets a lot of press for major operations that come off as pretty cool. To your analogy killing Soleimani would be much more equivalent with killing a General McCrystal when he was the of JSOC. We would have gone absolutely bonkers if they did that, yes.
 
Classic. Beyond classic actually.

 
I've been through this already Trump approved it personally he wasn't flying the drone. He could have but he has people to do that for him.

When you say that someone personally killed someone, that is taken to mean that they themselves personally killed someone.
 
When you say that someone personally killed someone, that is taken to mean that they themselves personally killed someone.

I guess we have different definitions. If I say I personally mailed you a letter I don't mean I flew the plane to your city and drove the mail truck down your street and put it in your mailbox.
 
In all of human history, has any nation ever sent their top general to orchestrate a terrorist attack?!!

A general who is the PUBLIC face of your official military?!?!

That is not in a top general’s job description.. I mean sure he could order a terrorist attack, but would they personally over see one?!?!

That just seems ridiculous imho.. that is the kinda job you put a black ops champ on.. Not your militaries head official!

Hell, plausible deniability is like your secondary goal.. primary being the terrorist attack...


That would be the equivalent of finding out that Colin Powell personally oversaw a terrorist attack while he was Secretary of State?!!

Is it just me or does that sound just insanely illogical..




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Oh Jesus. Most Democrats don't even deny this. Goes to show how you left reality a long time ago.
 
Fair enough, most people don't follow military hierarchies around the world. He was the head of Quds, a relatively small (20,000 personnel) portion of the overall Iranian military. It is just that this Quds force is responsible for most of their covert international operations (read: terrorism) and causes the most problems for everyone else. It is also relatively high profile.

It is sort of like the head of JSOC. Not at the top of the US military food chain, but gets a lot of press for major operations that come off as pretty cool. To your analogy killing Soleimani would be much more equivalent with killing a General McCrystal when he was the of JSOC. We would have gone absolutely bonkers if they did that, yes.

1) That’s fair.. but it is still far fetched to have any publicity known official too high up for Iran to claim plausible deniability, in person over seeing a terrorist attack...

So I’m not sure that 100% invalidates my point... I mean the whole point of a black op is plausible deniability. So your not letting anyone that high up near it imho...

It isn’t just off the walls ludicrous like it would be if it were the head of all branches of the Iranian military... but it is still crazy..



2) My personal opinion on such things is that if I personally can think up a better way to do whatever conspiracy theory, then I have to assume the room full of experts and Ivy League diplomas making these kinda calls could too..


For example 911 would be about the most expensive, risky and chaotic false flag operation in history if it was orchestrated by the US to start a war...


There are more than a 1,000 easier false flags one could perpetuate if you wanted an excuse for an invasion...

If I can think up dozens of easier ways to do it, then so could the people who supposedly orchestrated it.. hence I do not buy that particular conspiracy theory...

3) so I have to assume Iran didn’t orchestrate the terrorist attack , if even I am smart enough to know not to have known military officials on the ground where your pulling off a black ops terrorist attack.



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Oh Jesus. Most Democrats don't even deny this. Goes to show how you left reality a long time ago.

Here is the difference.....


Me , and I think most libral just call it like they see it rather than the prep-planned script most conservatives adhere too..

See I think most liberals don’t think very highly of politicians, so in turn the politicians and media know that liberals will not just believe whatever BS they choose to spoon feed people...

I assume that is why liberal propaganda is not as obvious as conservative propaganda.. your average liberal can probably spot a logical fallacy when it is sold to them.


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Here is the difference.....


Me , and I think most libral just call it like they see it rather than the prep-planned script most conservatives adhere too..

See I think most liberals don’t think very highly of politicians, so in turn the politicians and media know that liberals will not just believe whatever BS they choose to spoon feed people...

I assume that is why liberal propaganda is not as obvious as conservative propaganda.. your average liberal can probably spot a logical fallacy when it is sold to them.


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Jesus all over again. Now you're trying to say that liberals aren't politicians. Have a nice time in your very alternate universe.
 
1) That’s fair.. but it is still far fetched to have any publicity known official too high up for Iran to claim plausible deniability, in person over seeing a terrorist attack...

So I’m not sure that 100% invalidates my point... I mean the whole point of a black op is plausible deniability. So your not letting anyone that high up near it imho...

It isn’t just off the walls ludicrous like it would be if it were the head of all branches of the Iranian military... but it is still crazy..

His job is what we would call "asymmetrical warfare", which is code for covert/black ops. This is the entire guys job description honestly. I have zero doubt that Soleimani was personally aware of the attacks, approved them, and likely had a hand in directing them.


2) My personal opinion on such things is that if I personally can think up a better way to do whatever conspiracy theory, then I have to assume the room full of experts and Ivy League diplomas making these kinda calls could too..

Who cares what an Ivy league kid thinks. I am telling you what think tanks full of former intelligence and military specialists think. Go look up Stratfor, they are uniformly in agreement with my above.

3) so I have to assume Iran didn’t orchestrate the terrorist attack , if even I am smart enough to know not to have known military officials on the ground where your pulling off a black ops terrorist attack.

You would be wrong. Iran, specifically Quds and Soleimani have a very long history of being involved in these exact sorts of operations in the region for a very long time. Iran, via the Quds/Soleimani, were well known to be behind the Shia uprising, specifically via the Mehdi Militia and Moqtada Al-Sadr. They were well known to be behind the training and supply of IEDs specifically used to target US troops. They have been directly tied to equipping and funding terrorist forces (ie: Hezbollah specifically) for decades, again, through Quds/Soleimani and his predecessors. Iran is the penultimate terror sponsoring state. That is their entire modus operandi for the last three decades. They damned well know they can't launch any sort of flagged attack on Saudi, Israel, or the US or they would get pummeled, so instead they have long relied on asymmetrical ops.

For example, a few months ago oil tankers in the Persian Gulf had some "accidents". Rumor was they were struck with missiles, which later became known to be caused by limpet mines. In fact, one of these limpet mines failed to detonate and there were a ton of photos of Iranian (via the IRGC/Quds) caught removing the unexploded mine post haste. Then you had the attack on the SA crude processing facility, which was intended to look like Yemen. The problem is the attacks originated from the north of the facility, not the south, and the attacks were done with Iranian made/sourced drones. Do you really think that the commanding officer of the force responsible for these things didn't know about it? That's like saying Admiral McRaven, acting as CO of JSOC, was unaware of the infiltration into Pakistan for Neptune Spear. It's insanity.
 
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