• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

2nd Investigation into Genesis of Russia Probe Ending

T

theLiquidGuy

Member
Joined
Nov 10, 2019
Messages
227
Reaction score
80
The IG Report into the beginnings of the Russia probe will come out on Monday and say that there was no significant wrong doing. No FiSA abuse after all. It's still unsure whether Bill Barr is expected to object to it.

But wait! There is more bad news if you are a deep state conspiracy theorist. Bill Barr has his own separate investigation coming out soon. The problem is that he wasn't conducting it. It was run by John Durham a "straight shooting, modest" US Attorney. He was tasked with “exploring the extent to which a number of countries, including Ukraine, played a role in the counterintelligence investigation directed at the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.” and to determine “intelligence collection activities by the U.S. government related to the Trump 2016 Presidential Campaign were lawful and appropriate.” Durham is now saying that he cannot find any evidence of a conspiracy or of spying on the Trump campaign.

The lesson here is the Trump was always treated fairly by the justice system. His lack of co-operation and suspicious behavior (like firing Comey) was the real cause of the Mueller probe. Trump used his position just like you might expect a vindictive 10 year old to do and abused his position and power to smear, torment, and fire whoever he caught just doing their job:
Comey
Jeff Sessions
McCabe
Strzuk
Page


Its not really a victory for dems because it has turned the republicans base into a bunch of suspicious, conspiracy theorists. many of whom will still cling to it.
 
I didn't think that this thread was going to turn into another regressive circle-jerk.

Until I got a quarter way through the Op.. :roll:
 
theLiquidGuy said:
The IG Report into the beginnings of the Russia probe will come out on Monday and say that there was no significant wrong doing. No FiSA abuse after all. It's still unsure whether Bill Barr is expected to object to it.

But wait! There is more bad news if you are a deep state conspiracy theorist. Bill Barr has his own separate investigation coming out soon. The problem is that he wasn't conducting it. It was run by John Durham a "straight shooting, modest" US Attorney. He was tasked with “exploring the extent to which a number of countries, including Ukraine, played a role in the counterintelligence investigation directed at the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.” and to determine “intelligence collection activities by the U.S. government related to the Trump 2016 Presidential Campaign were lawful and appropriate.” Durham is now saying that he cannot find any evidence of a conspiracy or of spying on the Trump campaign.

The lesson here is the Trump was always treated fairly by the justice system. His lack of co-operation and suspicious behavior (like firing Comey) was the real cause of the Mueller probe. Trump used his position just like you might expect a vindictive 10 year old to do and abused his position and power to smear, torment, and fire whoever he caught just doing their job:
Comey
Jeff Sessions
McCabe
Strzuk
Page


Its not really a victory for dems because it has turned the republicans base into a bunch of suspicious, conspiracy theorists. many of whom will still cling to it.
Click to expand...

People who believe in the Deep State are not going to believe that they are not covering it up. Thus the nature of conspiracy theories. Look at how many democrats still believe those russian troll farm people with their facebook memes had a significant impact on the election despite nobody anywhere ever saying, "I was going to vote for Hillary, but then I saw this facebook meme...."
 
Oborosen said:
I didn't think that this thread was going to turn into another regressive circle-jerk.

Until I got a quarter way through the Op.. :roll:
Click to expand...
What's the matter, did the IG not tell you what you wanted to hear? Did he conclude your deep state theories are crap? That's what happens when a real investigator deals in facts.

Anybody who know anything about the facts isn't surprised the IG reached these conclusions.
 
MovingPictures said:
What's the matter, did the IG not tell you what you wanted to hear? Did he conclude your deep state theories are crap? That's what happens when a real investigator deals in facts.

Anybody who know anything about the facts isn't surprised the IG reached these conclusions.
Click to expand...

That would be an issue, if the thread had the inclination of dealing with facts, and not just attempt to fellate itself over the same tired "orange man bad" narrative.

I was hoping to find a thread in which someone could try to discuss what's going on intellectually. But it appears that I'm going to have to keep looking for a while longer.
 
Drawdown said:
People who believe in the Deep State are not going to believe that they are not covering it up. Thus the nature of conspiracy theories. Look at how many democrats still believe those russian troll farm people with their facebook memes had a significant impact on the election despite nobody anywhere ever saying, "I was going to vote for Hillary, but then I saw this facebook meme...."
Click to expand...

Sure are a lot of billions of dollars being spent on a technology that doesn't work.

And a whole lot of consumers of only conservative media that all believe exactly the same things that no one else in the world believes, too. A condition for which no organic explanation exists.

So, as happens far too often with modern conservatives, I have to believe the evidence of my senses over your manufactured narrative.

All any of y'all ever sound like when defending trump is "So what had happened was".

While trump sings "its wasn't me" (Shaggy version) day in and day out.
 
What if...? said:
Sure are a lot of billions of dollars being spent on a technology that doesn't work.

And a whole lot of consumers of only conservative media that all believe exactly the same things that no one else in the world believes, too. A condition for which no organic explanation exists.

So, as happens far too often with modern conservatives, I have to believe the evidence of my senses over your manufactured narrative.

All any of y'all ever sound like when defending trump is "So what had happened was".

While trump sings "its wasn't me" (Shaggy version) day in and day out.
Click to expand...

Yawms. When you find that democrat who said they switched votes because of a meme let me know. In the mean time "billions being spent" is laughable.
 
Drawdown said:
Yawms. When you find that democrat who said they switched votes because of a meme let me know. In the mean time "billions being spent" is laughable.
Click to expand...

There was definitely a lot of fake news being shared on Facebook in 2016 that influenced people to abstain from voting for HRC. I had a seething distaste for her by the time Nov. rolled around and I voted Green instead.

Tbf, there was a lot of bad stuff about her and the DNC that was true too.
 
Putin-Trump Rowers have lost another couple of rounds here in what's already been a bad year for 'em. An awful year for 'em in fact.

The Rowers haven't been able to defend Trump all year having to focus instead against critics. Rowers have had to spend the year screaming at "liberals" and against "your ilk" and "progressives" and the left and a "totalitarian" mindset the Rowers have arbitrarily assigned to the so-called "left." Rowers have had to focus on opponents because there's no defending Trump and the Rowers know it.

Devin Nunes has had to go into Deep Putin-Trump Cover while Giuliani got taken out of his crazy circulation by a US attorney investigation. The two are high profile instances of how high profile Putin-Trump Rowers got their oars snatched away.

Whistleblowers have come forward as has LTC Vindman as Trump's treason has come up to bite him in his dictator's big arse. And now we see that the Buffalo Head Bill Barr is not the King Kong of DoJ that he and Trump were cocksure he was going to be.

So as we're witnessing it will be a Happy New Year for the good guys only because the year 2020 is shaping up as the year of America's clear vision forward under the Constitution. That is, the final gasp of the Putin-Trump Rowers in one way or the other.
 
Drawdown said:
Yawms. When you find that democrat who said they switched votes because of a meme let me know. In the mean time "billions being spent" is laughable.
Click to expand...

How do i know that russia had an effect on votes?
Because advertising works.

Of course it had an effect. How could it not?

The only reason that anyone claims it had no effect is because Trumps team worked fast to propagate that myth. Trump was desperate to make certain that no one could question his “biggest electoral win in the history of...blah blah blah”. Trump’s clinical narcissism would not allow such blasphemy. His ego had to win the debate.
 
Oborosen said:
That would be an issue, if the thread had the inclination of dealing with facts, and not just attempt to fellate itself over the same tired "orange man bad" narrative.

I was hoping to find a thread in which someone could try to discuss what's going on intellectually. But it appears that I'm going to have to keep looking for a while longer.
Click to expand...

Since you seem to yearn for such a discussion, why don't you initiate it yourself?
 
Airyaman said:
Since you seem to yearn for such a discussion, why don't you initiate it yourself?
Click to expand...

I've tried, which usually starts up with a personal attack being lobbed my way and the other party not wishing to actually continue with the discussion.
 
Oborosen said:
I didn't think that this thread was going to turn into another regressive circle-jerk.

Until I got a quarter way through the Op.. :roll:
Click to expand...

So that's why you're down there.

Because there's just no defending Trump.

The Putin-Trump Rowers have leaks in your boats that you're ignoring. You're going to keep rowing until your MAGA hats float.

Making America Russia Instead.

You'd rather be Russian than a Democrat or a democrat.

Because we have an IG here who takes seriously his oath to the Constitution. Which means Buffalo Head Barr got outsmarted.
 
Tangmo said:
So that's why you're down there.

Because there's just no defending Trump.

The Putin-Trump Rowers have leaks in your boats that you're ignoring. You're going to keep rowing until your MAGA hats float.

Making America Russia Instead.

You'd rather be Russian than a Democrat or a democrat.

Because we have an IG here who takes seriously his oath to the Constitution. Which means Buffalo Head Barr got outsmarted.
Click to expand...

Oh look, the Epstein-Goldberg loyalist is back.

Still spewing your same nonsense I see.

Keep up the good work, you'll get that promotion someday.
 
Oborosen said:
Oh look, the Epstein-Goldberg loyalist is back.

Still spewing your same nonsense I see.

Keep up the good work, you'll get that promotion someday.
Click to expand...

You sound tired.

And beaten. Not to mention cheap. Get some rest maybe instead of staring at that big Trump photo on the ceiling.

Each post you make confirms Trump hasn't any defense so the focus of the Putin-Trump Rowers has to be on the opponent poster. Say anything is the rule over there no matter how cheap.

And you know Trump's put out over the IG report because all he knows about any of it is that it didn't deliver the goods to him. The Buffalo Head Barr failed him. That's all there is to it by Trump's eccentric and egomaniac expectations.

Making America Russia Instead.
 
Well I think we all know what this means. An investigation needs to be opened into Horowitz and Durham.
 
Cardinal said:
Well I think we all know what this means. An investigation needs to be opened into Horowitz and Durham.
Click to expand...

Someone needs to look at those oranges.. the oranges of the Durham and Horowitz investigation.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
MovingPictures said:
What's the matter, did the IG not tell you what you wanted to hear? Did he conclude your deep state theories are crap? That's what happens when a real investigator deals in facts.

Anybody who know anything about the facts isn't surprised the IG reached these conclusions.
Click to expand...

What conclusions? The report hasn’t been released yet?
 
Moon said:
What conclusions? The report hasn’t been released yet?
Click to expand...

The Buffalo Head Barr will very likely do what he did against the Mueller Report.

Prior to release he'll say the opposite of what the IG says and what Durham says. The Buffalo Head will hold release of the reports while he lies through his buffalo breath about 'em. Or he'll lie about 'em before their scheduled release. Buffalo Head has known these findings were coming so he's no doubt fully prepared to trash 'em.

Barr will get the headlines lying about the findings in the same way he got the headlines lying about the Mueller Report. It seems reminiscent of Franz Gürtner who was Justice Minister in Germany during the 1930s.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom