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Thank you for that absolutely classic demonstraation of Dunning Kruger in action.

Since your uninformed opinion trumps that of people universally recognized as experts in their field are so adamant it is pointless to continue.

Find where in the constitution yet that is says a president can be impeached for calling CNN "Fake News" and/or abuse of power? So much for being a "constitutional scholar" eh?
 
Find where in the constitution yet that is says a president can be impeached for calling CNN "Fake News" and/or abuse of power? So much for being a "constitutional scholar" eh?

Please. Stop with the picayune atomization of their comments. That isn't why he's going to be impeached. Its about abuse of power which is a high crime and misdemeanor. I presume you were educated on what that term actually means by those scholars who teach the lawyers who will be prosecuting and defending the case in the senate?

I do grant it is paradoxical that you know more than the people who know more than you. Very trumpian of you. He knows more than the generals and scientists and you know more than constitutional law professors.

So much for not being a constitutional lawyer, eh?
 
Please. Stop with the picayune atomization of their comments. That isn't why he's going to be impeached. Its about abuse of power which is a high crime and misdemeanor. I presume you were educated on what that term actually means by those scholars who teach the lawyers who will be prosecuting and defending the case in the senate?

I do grant it is paradoxical that you know more than the people who know more than you. Very trumpian of you. He knows more than the generals and scientists and you know more than constitutional law professors.

So much for not being a constitutional lawyer, eh?

What I do know is that when you are trying a case, you search for the attorney(s) and court jurisdiction that holds your own points of view. Then you search for the witnesses that will say what you want them to say. This happens all the time. They were roundly ridiculed by Turley and rightfully so. They are admitted far left/progressives and further to the left than mainstream America.

I can tell you one thing. An attorney that is presenting arguments doesn't interject snide comments that include the minor child of the one she wants to get rid of. That aloe destroys all credibility she may have had.

All that aside. you agree with them that this nebulous all encompassing new phrase "abuse of power" is an impeachable offense. That being the case, was Biden in a powerful position a few years back when he threatened Ukraine and their removal of the prosecutor benefitted his son and by extension iden himself? Was that an abuse of power?

When Hillary and Obama concocted the story that the Benghazi bombing was due to a film to hide the truth, was THAT an abuse of power?

When the AG and Obama sold guns to terrorists that led to deaths and then covered it up, was THAT an abuse of power?

I could go on and on and on. Presidents have power. They make deals. In this case, Trump laughs that he even considered for a second that he would have to face Biden. He doesn't need help from anyone. What no t a one of you has answered is that since Biden is innocent, any investigation by Ukraine would turn up nothing right? That being the case, Trump would help Biden clear the cloud and by virtue of being vindicated, would trounce Trump.

But.......you guys aren't afraid of that. You are afraid of the TRUTH.
 
What I do know is that when you are trying a case, you search for the attorney(s) and court jurisdiction that holds your own points of view. Then you search for the witnesses that will say what you want them to say. This happens all the time. They were roundly ridiculed by Turley and rightfully so. They are admitted far left/progressives and further to the left than mainstream America.

I can tell you one thing. An attorney that is presenting arguments doesn't interject snide comments that include the minor child of the one she wants to get rid of. That aloe destroys all credibility she may have had.

All that aside. you agree with them that this nebulous all encompassing new phrase "abuse of power" is an impeachable offense. That being the case, was Biden in a powerful position a few years back when he threatened Ukraine and their removal of the prosecutor benefitted his son and by extension iden himself? Was that an abuse of power?

When Hillary and Obama concocted the story that the Benghazi bombing was due to a film to hide the truth, was THAT an abuse of power?

When the AG and Obama sold guns to terrorists that led to deaths and then covered it up, was THAT an abuse of power?

I could go on and on and on. Presidents have power. They make deals. In this case, Trump laughs that he even considered for a second that he would have to face Biden. He doesn't need help from anyone. What no t a one of you has answered is that since Biden is innocent, any investigation by Ukraine would turn up nothing right? That being the case, Trump would help Biden clear the cloud and by virtue of being vindicated, would trounce Trump.

But.......you guys aren't afraid of that. You are afraid of the TRUTH.

Again your is amateur criticism based on your resentment of people having differing opinions than the ones you want hear. Especially when those opinions are formulated from applying the expertise they have been called to present to congress. ( A rather more august chamber than this forum. )

Rocket surgeons of the world unite!

Abuse of power is well defined and certainly not new. In fact its at the heart of impeachable offenses. Yet another example of dunning kruger for all to see.

I suppose one can become addicted to whataboutery. It seems to be a rather virulent disease of the right these days, with their obsessive comparisons to justify even greater perversions in those they defend. All the while completely oblivious to its ravages.
 
Again your is amateur criticism based on your resentment of people having differing opinions than the ones you want hear. Especially when those opinions are formulated from applying the expertise they have been called to present to congress. ( A rather more august chamber than this forum. )

Rocket surgeons of the world unite!

Abuse of power is well defined and certainly not new. In fact its at the heart of impeachable offenses. Yet another example of dunning kruger for all to see.

I suppose one can become addicted to whataboutery. It seems to be a rather virulent disease of the right these days, with their obsessive comparisons to justify even greater perversions in those they defend. All the while completely oblivious to its ravages.

Let me ask you this. Do you concur with all those in authority, or just those of your same political stripe? Is there no authority figure that is ever wrong, or just those you don't agree with?

Abuse of Power is NOT an impeachable offense. It is a fabricated claim. Show me where it says it is in the constitution or shut up.
 
Let me ask you this. Do you concur with all those in authority, or just those of your same political stripe? Is there no authority figure that is ever wrong, or just those you don't agree with?

Abuse of Power is NOT an impeachable offense. It is a fabricated claim. Show me where it says it is in the constitution or shut up.

Article 2.
Section 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
 
Article 2.
Section 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Very good You quoted it right. Thank you. You were brave. NOTHING in there about this made up vague phrase called "abuse of power" is there?
 
Let me ask you this. Do you concur with all those in authority, or just those of your same political stripe? Is there no authority figure that is ever wrong, or just those you don't agree with?

Of course I sometimes disagree with those in authority. OTOH, I never disagree with facts, only the invariable opinions/decisions based upon them.

OTOH, I am capable of separating an expert's expression of facts/knowledge and their subjective conclusions and/or prognostications.


Abuse of Power is NOT an impeachable offense. It is a fabricated claim. Show me where it says it is in the constitution or shut up.

Actually you are talking out of your hat. Abuse of power/authority sure as hell is an impeachable offense. Its goes to the very heart of why impeachment is in the constitution and is extensively debated in the federalist papers.

Oh wait I know you know better than Hamilton what its all about.

The Avalon Project : Federalist No 65


Show me in the constitution where it says murder is an impeachable offense or even a crime. Until you can, shut up using such a stupid objection.
 
Of course I sometimes disagree with those in authority. OTOH, I never disagree with facts, only the invariable opinions/decisions based upon them.

OTOH, I am capable of separating an expert's expression of facts/knowledge and their subjective conclusions and/or prognostications.




Actually you are talking out of your hat. Abuse of power/authority sure as hell is an impeachable offense. Its goes to the very heart of why impeachment is in the constitution and is extensively debated in the federalist papers.

Oh wait I know you know better than Hamilton what its all about.

The Avalon Project : Federalist No 65


Show me in the constitution where it says murder is an impeachable offense or even a crime. Until you can, shut up using such a stupid objection.

Show "abuse of power" to me in the constitution.

It is not there because it can be claimed for almost anything, and as we see here, the evil Democrats are doing that for no reason other than they hate this president.
 
Show "abuse of power" to me in the constitution.

It is not there because it can be claimed for almost anything, and as we see here, the evil Democrats are doing that for no reason other than they hate this president.

The U.S. has a national security interest in Ukraine but what Trump was doing was putting that national security interest at risk in exchange for political benefits. Under the U.S. Constitution, the president can be impeached for “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" and abuse of power most certainly qualifies as a high crime or misdemeanor. Whether 'abuse of power' is a stated crime in the Constitution or not makes no difference for purposes of impeachment. Asking a foreign country to provide campaign dirt in exchange for weapons is an abuse of power and precisely what the Framers of the U.S. Constitution believed would justify impeachment.
 
Show "abuse of power" to me in the constitution.

It is not there because it can be claimed for almost anything, and as we see here, the evil Democrats are doing that for no reason other than they hate this president.

Amazing.

rinse and repeat. Allow facts to bounce off the forehead.

I see willful ignorance reigns supreme in trumpland.
 
The U.S. has a national security interest in Ukraine but what Trump was doing was putting that national security interest at risk in exchange for political benefits. Under the U.S. Constitution, the president can be impeached for “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" and abuse of power most certainly qualifies as a high crime or misdemeanor. Whether 'abuse of power' is a stated crime in the Constitution or not makes no difference for purposes of impeachment. Asking a foreign country to provide campaign dirt in exchange for weapons is an abuse of power and precisely what the Framers of the U.S. Constitution believed would justify impeachment.

This is just the BS drivel that he DNC promotes and you guys lap it up like ice cream. Firstly, it is laughable that he was doing it because he was afraid of Biden. There is not one ounce of proof of that. It is pure conjecture and speculation. Biden is no match for him as we have seen recently with his slurred speech and threatening 84 year old men and not knowing where he is at. What no one has address is what Biden should be worried about since any investigation would "clear" him.

For there to be bribery the other person has to know it.

This is a complete charade manufactured by a party that wanted to impeach him from Day ONE!

Abuse of Power is NOT in the constitution precisely for the reasons we are witnessing today, which will go down in history as a black stain on the Democrats for decades to come. Already I sense a public who is fed up with the Gestapo tactics of Schiff, Nadler and Pelosi. Abuse of power is such a vague term that the opposing party can claim it for nearly anything and bring charges to harass a sitting president which is the gambit here. They know the Senate won't impeach. I think they may refuse to even hear the case.

A "whistleblower" who talked to Trump hater Vidman who works for the NSA who goes to Schiff who refers him to an attorney that vowed to impeach Trump who then concoct a scheme to call him a whistleblower so that no one could question him.
 
Amazing.

rinse and repeat. Allow facts to bounce off the forehead.

I see willful ignorance reigns supreme in trumpland.

Can't find it? Keep looking. The "scholars" said it was there. It must be there somewhere. Remember to always believe what someone else tells you though if you can't find it in the constitution. Since they went to law skool, they mus'n be rite.
 
Can't find it? Keep looking. The "scholars" said it was there. It must be there somewhere. Remember to always believe what someone else tells you though if you can't find it in the constitution. Since they went to law skool, they mus'n be rite.


Amazing nonsensical persistence.

I suppose the moronic "the constitution doesn't say "abuse of power"" anywhere plays well with those who lack critical thinking skills and are ignorant of the Mountain ranges of legal and academic analyses of the most important and well known document in human history.

Why is any of that needed when its either expressly written in the constitution or it doesn't exist?

who knew all those skolars have been wasting their entire careers, not to mention all those lawyers and such. Another democratic boondoggle, because the republicans protect and defend the constitution from everyone, except of course their dear leader.
 
Amazing nonsensical persistence.

I suppose the moronic "the constitution doesn't say "abuse of power"" anywhere plays well with those who lack critical thinking skills and are ignorant of the Mountain ranges of legal and academic analyses of the most important and well known document in human history.

Why is any of that needed when its either expressly written in the constitution or it doesn't exist?

who knew all those skolars have been wasting their entire careers, not to mention all those lawyers and such. Another democratic boondoggle, because the republicans protect and defend the constitution from everyone, except of course their dear leader.

Look, these alleged scholars re far left radicals. One opined that he should have been impeached 3 years ago. Another suggested that the term "Fake News" is impeachable. The lady said previously that we are ruled by the sons of white billionaires years ago and then used a line in the hearings criticizing the son of the president for being named Baron. We KNOW that the prosecution uses witnesses that favor their side but these three are socialist progressives (who you probably admire) intent on bringing this president down. It is very easy to read something into what you read. Christians do this all the time when you challenge them. They say "I know verse such and such says that, BUT........in chapter such and such, verse so and so it says BLAH BLAH BLAH and that means this"

Like an evangelical believing someone just because that person is a biblical scholar, you believe those three for NO reason other than your WANT to. You dismiss Turley out of hand even though he doesn't like Trump and didn't vote for him because he just isn't partisan enough for you. Given enough time, the Republicans could have stacked the deck with their own scholars and it would have been 10 to 10 with 10 saying yes and 10 saying no. Why do you think that both sides have their own doctors in accident and/or medical cases? Each one of them is highly educated in their field and each one concludes the opposite of the other.

So, yes. I think those three "scholars" had an even worse animus for Trump than Strzok and Paige and yet you want me to believe them?
 
Look, these alleged scholars re far left radicals. One opined that he should have been impeached 3 years ago. Another suggested that the term "Fake News" is impeachable. The lady said previously that we are ruled by the sons of white billionaires years ago and then used a line in the hearings criticizing the son of the president for being named Baron. We KNOW that the prosecution uses witnesses that favor their side but these three are socialist progressives (who you probably admire) intent on bringing this president down. It is very easy to read something into what you read. Christians do this all the time when you challenge them. They say "I know verse such and such says that, BUT........in chapter such and such, verse so and so it says BLAH BLAH BLAH and that means this"

Like an evangelical believing someone just because that person is a biblical scholar, you believe those three for NO reason other than your WANT to. You dismiss Turley out of hand even though he doesn't like Trump and didn't vote for him because he just isn't partisan enough for you. Given enough time, the Republicans could have stacked the deck with their own scholars and it would have been 10 to 10 with 10 saying yes and 10 saying no. Why do you think that both sides have their own doctors in accident and/or medical cases? Each one of them is highly educated in their field and each one concludes the opposite of the other.

So, yes. I think those three "scholars" had an even worse animus for Trump than Strzok and Paige and yet you want me to believe them?

No I don't care if you don't want to believe them. I frankly don't give a damn what you believe because it is entirely obvious your confirmation bias trumps your critical thinking skills.

You whine about their bias so you don't have to address the content they delivered. The reasons why they think Trump should be impeached. The rationale behind the founders drafting of the constitution. the legal history of impeachment in America. On and On and On that built a COMPELLING case for issuing articles of impeachment (Indictment of the President) and move forward to senate trial.

Nah, way better invoke the whiny little bitch defense by attempting to murder the messengers while crying about the unfairness of all these LEGALLY and CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED proceedings, while consistently offering up demonstrable lie after lie.
 
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This is just the BS drivel that he DNC promotes and you guys lap it up like ice cream. Firstly, it is laughable that he was doing it because he was afraid of Biden. There is not one ounce of proof of that. It is pure conjecture and speculation. Biden is no match for him as we have seen recently with his slurred speech and threatening 84 year old men and not knowing where he is at. What no one has address is what Biden should be worried about since any investigation would "clear" him.

For there to be bribery the other person has to know it.

This is a complete charade manufactured by a party that wanted to impeach him from Day ONE!

Abuse of Power is NOT in the constitution precisely for the reasons we are witnessing today, which will go down in history as a black stain on the Democrats for decades to come. Already I sense a public who is fed up with the Gestapo tactics of Schiff, Nadler and Pelosi. Abuse of power is such a vague term that the opposing party can claim it for nearly anything and bring charges to harass a sitting president which is the gambit here. They know the Senate won't impeach. I think they may refuse to even hear the case.

A "whistleblower" who talked to Trump hater Vidman who works for the NSA who goes to Schiff who refers him to an attorney that vowed to impeach Trump who then concoct a scheme to call him a whistleblower so that no one could question him.
Impeachment should be for a very serious cause and you're right, the opposing can draft articles if impeachments for any reason even if they don't like the president. Their needs to be revisions in the constitution about the impeachment question.
 
Impeachment should be for a very serious cause and you're right, the opposing can draft articles if impeachments for any reason even if they don't like the president. Their needs to be revisions in the constitution about the impeachment question.

Yes. That is the point that the only one who knew what he was talking about (Turley) made. It was the Democrats who just made up out of thin air "abuse of power". Nowhere does this phrase appear in the impeachment clause. You don't just get to have three people who hate the man give an opinion just because they've studied the constitution and then say "Ok, these people are the experts and that's that".

It may work for uneducated people and those who just want to believe like some religious zealot. YOU can read. I can read. The constitution just doesn't say what they claim it says or means. Turley was right once again when he spanked them and said the only ones abusing their power is Congress.

Typical of today's left wingers they threatened Turley and called for his firing. The new radical left is an evil group.
 
No I don't care if you don't want to believe them. I frankly don't give a damn what you believe because it is entirely obvious your confirmation bias trumps your critical thinking skills.

You whine about their bias so you don't have to address the content they delivered. The reasons why they think Trump should be impeached. The rationale behind the founders drafting of the constitution. the legal history of impeachment in America. On and On and On that built a COMPELLING case for issuing articles of impeachment (Indictment of the President) and move forward to senate trial.

Nah, way better invoke the whiny little bitch defense by attempting to murder the messengers while crying about the unfairness of all these LEGALLY and CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED proceedings, while consistently offering up demonstrable lie after lie.

Read for yourself. Stop believing just because someone tells you that black is white and then you criticize others for not believing because the guy that told you black is white is an expert on colors.
 
Very good You quoted it right. Thank you. You were brave. NOTHING in there about this made up vague phrase called "abuse of power" is there?

You must’ve missed the portion regarding “high crimes and misdemeanors”
 
Read for yourself. Stop believing just because someone tells you that black is white and then you criticize others for not believing because the guy that told you black is white is an expert on colors.

Tell ya what sport.

At this point either educate yourself or declare your comfort with willful ignorance.


https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/HCM%20FINAL%20v.3.pdf

From the summary of conclusions.

<snip>
Fallacies about impeachment. In the final section of this Report, we briefly address
six falsehoods about impeachment that have recently drawn public notice.

First, contrary to mistaken claims otherwise, we demonstrate that the current
impeachment inquiry has complied in every respect with the Constitution, the Rules of the
House, and historic practice and precedent of the House.

Second, we address several evidentiary matters. The House impeachment inquiry
has compiled substantial direct and circumstantial evidence bearing on the issues at hand.
Nonetheless, President Trump has objected that some of the evidence gathered by the
House comes from witnesses lacking first-hand knowledge of his conduct. But in the same
breath, he has unlawfully ordered many witnesses with first-hand knowledge to defy House subpoenas.
As we show, President Trump’s assertions regarding the evidence before the
House are misplaced as a matter of constitutional law and common sense.

Third, we consider President Trump’s claim that his actions are protected because
of his right under Article II of the Constitution “to do whatever I want as president.”21 This
claim is wrong, and profoundly so, because our Constitution rejects pretensions to
monarchy and binds Presidents with law. That is true even of powers vested exclusively in
the chief executive. If those powers are invoked for corrupt reasons, or wielded in an
abusive manner harming the constitutional system, the President is subject to impeachment
for “high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” This is a core premise of the impeachment power.

Fourth, we address whether the House must accept at face value President Trump’s
claim that his motives were not corrupt. In short, no. When the House probes a President’s
state of mind, its mandate is to find the facts. That means evaluating the President’s account
of his motives to see if it rings true. The question is not whether the President’s conduct
could have resulted from permissible motives. It is whether the President’s real reasons,
the ones in his mind at the time, were legitimate. Where the House discovers persuasive
evidence of corrupt wrongdoing, it is entitled to rely upon that evidence to impeach.

Fifth, we explain that attempted Presidential wrongdoing is impeachable. Mason
himself said so at the Constitutional Convention, where he described “attempts to subvert
the Constitution” as a core example of “great and dangerous offenses.”22 Moreover, the
Judiciary Committee reached the same conclusion in President Nixon’s case. Historical
precedent thus confirms that ineptitude and insubordination do not afford the President a
defense to impeachment. A President cannot escape impeachment just because his scheme
to abuse power, betray the nation, or corrupt elections was discovered and abandoned.

Finally, we consider whether impeachment “nullifies” the last election or denies
voters their voice in the next one. The Framers themselves weighed this question. They
considered relying solely on elections—rather than impeachment—to remove wayward
Presidents. That position was firmly rejected. No President is entitled to persist in office
after committing “high Crimes and Misdemeanors,” and no one who voted for him in the
last election is entitled to expect he will do so. Where the President’s misconduct is aimed
at corrupting elections, relying on elections to solve the problem is no safeguard at all.
 
You must’ve missed the portion regarding “high crimes and misdemeanors”

Let's see
High crimes and misdemeanors.
Abuse of power.

They both have at least three words. Check
They both have at least one "s". Check
They both have only one "r". Wow! Two checks


I changed my mind here after carefully examining the evidence above and re-evaluating those eminent scholars who would never interpret things in a way that they want to. You win.

The comparisons are just two stunning and obvious. High crimes and misdemeanors MUST mean abuse of power.
 
Tell ya what sport.

At this point either educate yourself or declare your comfort with willful ignorance.


https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/HCM%20FINAL%20v.3.pdf

From the summary of conclusions.

This is supposed to mean what? That three idiot progressive/socialist professors are right? LOL

WHY do you think Fat Boy called them in? He interviewed and vetted them first to be sure what they would say so Fat Boy and the tyrant Schiff and "I don't hate" Pelosi could have cover.
 
Yes. That is the point that the only one who knew what he was talking about (Turley) made. It was the Democrats who just made up out of thin air "abuse of power". Nowhere does this phrase appear in the impeachment clause. You don't just get to have three people who hate the man give an opinion just because they've studied the constitution and then say "Ok, these people are the experts and that's that".

It may work for uneducated people and those who just want to believe like some religious zealot. YOU can read. I can read. The constitution just doesn't say what they claim it says or means. Turley was right once again when he spanked them and said the only ones abusing their power is Congress.

Typical of today's left wingers they threatened Turley and called for his firing. The new radical left is an evil group.
Well, the radical leftists know what will happen when this impeachment sham fails. It will lead them to severe losses in 2020 and it seems like they don't care.
 
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