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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by theLiquidGuy View Post
    Joe Biden did nothing wrong by pressuring Ukraine to fire their prosecutor.

    The prosecutor was not investigating Burisma, or much else for that matter. And there was no indication that would change in the future. This is why the international community and the US wanted him gone. He was doing nothing to stop corruption.

    Since there was no connection between the prosecutor and Hunter, there was no conflict of interest when Joe pushed for the firing the prosecutor.

    So whats all the commotion about?
    Biden corruptly took $50k/month in the most corrupt country from the most corrupt company in that country and then laundered the money through his son! And Ukraine is apparently not the only country where the Bidens were operating. Imagine if Trump made similar arrangements with his son??

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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    Biden corruptly took $50k/month in the most corrupt country from the most corrupt company in that country and then laundered the money through his son! And Ukraine is apparently not the only country where the Bidens were operating. Imagine if Trump made similar arrangements with his son??
    You shouldn't state things like that unless you also have evidence to back it up.

    Can you substantiate your allegation that Hunter was giving the money to his dad?
    If not, then may I suggest that you prefix your allegations with "I suspect that..."

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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    That just means Trump knows a little bit about plausible deniability.
    No, that's not what it means.

    What it means is that you and the raving lunatics in the Democrat-Socialist Party engineering the impeachment are making crap up and hoping nobody notices that all of the charges are exaggerated lies.

    You must think the entire US population is as stupidly gullible as Brian Stelter and Chuck Todd.
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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    No, that's not what it means.

    What it means is that you and the raving lunatics in the Democrat-Socialist Party engineering the impeachment are making crap up and hoping nobody notices that all of the charges are exaggerated lies.

    You must think the entire US population is as stupidly gullible as Brian Stelter and Chuck Todd.
    uh huh.

    So in that case Trump is stupid enough to not really know this is a conspiracy theory then.
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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by ElChupacabra View Post
    how was it you eloquently stated it....ah, right: "blah blah blah".

    My response can be blah, blah, blah.

    Your unsupported and irrational ideas are supposed to be proving guilt in some way. I am only observing that you have proven NOTHING.
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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    My response can be blah, blah, blah.

    Your unsupported and irrational ideas are supposed to be proving guilt in some way. I am only observing that you have proven NOTHING.

    Nor have you addressed the main point I've been making regarding this whole mess: the administration could have provided all of the information to the House committees and let its officials testify to clear everything up. It hasn't, and that's why I think they have more to hide. You've proven nothing either since you premise is based on allowing the administration to obstruct.

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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by theLiquidGuy View Post
    I canít understand why Trumpís defenders keep using this deeply flawed defense. Here we go again. The President had no legal standing to freeze the aid. But he held it back for 55 days. So he did take action (and incidentally broke the law in so doing). Furthermore, if you try to bribe a police officer and the officer doesnít accept it, you are still guilty of bribery. Attempting to commit a crime is still a crime. But even if I am wrong about all of that (Iím not) it wouldnít matter because as you ought to know by now: Quid pro quo is not even necessary. The malfeasance was in his solicitation of foreign interference, not in the execution of it.



    The loan guarantees were not delayed. Not even for one second.


    Iíll copy/paste from above: you ought to know by now: Quid pro quo is not even necessary. The malfeasance was in his solicitation of foreign interference, not in the execution of it..


    quid pro quo is not wrong by itself, only if there is an underlying crime. Until recently there has been ample evidence that Joeís motivations for QPQ were consistent with those of the United States (as well as the IMF, the EU, and Ukrainian anti-corruption groups). If that is indeed the case, then there is no wrongdoing on Joe Bidenís part.


    As I pointed out above, Trump illegally delayed the Ukraine aid package. Obama/Biden did not exercise any illegal method as I explained above.



    As I have shown above, you have it exactly backwards. But weíll need to wait and see how this latest memo, if accurate, shakes out.



    I like to think I am consistent. Have I been?
    The threat to eliminate the aid to Ukraine entirely was leveled by Obama when Biden made the threat. The compliance with the demand was the favor purchased. Why do you say there was no connection?

    The aid delivered to Ukraine prior to the deadline by the Trump Administration was never connected to any favor at all at any time for any reason. Why do you say it was?
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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by theLiquidGuy View Post
    where did you get this from? If its from 4chan or some right wing conspiracy site dont bother with a reference. If its from a credible site lets see a link please.
    I spent hours researching this and have dozens of references. Let's start with this:

    Court seizes property of ex-minister Zlochevsky in Ukraine

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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The threat to eliminate the aid to Ukraine entirely was leveled by Obama when Biden made the threat. The compliance with the demand was the favor purchased. Why do you say there was no connection?
    I didn't say there was no connection. I said:

    "Until recently there has been ample evidence that Joe’s motivations for QPQ were consistent with those of the United States (as well as the IMF, the EU, and Ukrainian anti-corruption groups). If that is indeed the case, then there is no wrongdoing on Joe Biden’s part."


    I would also say that no actual action was taken on Joe Biden's part. No load guarantees were ever delayed. Not for one second. But even if he did take action once again I say:

    "Until recently there has been ample evidence that Joe’s motivations for QPQ were consistent with those of the United States (as well as the IMF, the EU, and Ukrainian anti-corruption groups). If that is indeed the case, then there is no wrongdoing on Joe Biden’s part."


    The aid delivered to Ukraine prior to the deadline by the Trump Administration was never connected to any favor at all at any time for any reason. Why do you say it was?
    First of all, quid pro quo is not necessary. But if you insist it is...


    See point #1 and #2 here

    What about Mulvaney's comment "and that's why we did it"?

    What about Sondland's testimony that there absolutely was quid pro quo?

    Still not enough? Listen to The President...

    Watch this clip from 6:20 - 6:40 where he basically says they withheld the aid because of "corruption" (which is code for biden investigation according to the July 25 call transcript):

    Trump on Fox n Friends

    I am sure there is more that I missed, but you can chew on that for now
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    Re: Biden had no conflict of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    I spent hours researching this and have dozens of references. Let's start with this:

    Court seizes property of ex-minister Zlochevsky in Ukraine
    Hmm...

    Well I am a little concerned that you are referencing a Ukranian source when Ukrainian corruption is the issue at heart. But ok.
    What's next?

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