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NY Times: 'Tidal Wave' of Mass Immigration Hands Virginia to Democrats

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Or perhaps this should be titled, 'Time for the GOP to get its head out of it's ass'.

A “tidal wave” of mass immigration has “tilt(ed) the field toward the Democrats” in the state of Virginia, the New York Times admits.


Ronald Brownstein, senior editor for the Atlantic, noted this year that nearly 90 percent of House congressional districts with a foreign-born population above the national average were won by Democrats. This means that every congressional district with a foreign-born population exceeding roughly 14 percent had a 90 percent chance of being controlled by Democrats and only a ten percent chance of electing a Republican.

Republicans’ electoral prospects are only expected to get worse because of historically high legal immigration levels, according to research by Axios and the Atlantic.

Under current legal immigration levels, the U.S. is on track to import about 15 million new foreign-born voters in the next two decades. Those 15 million new foreign-born voters include about eight million who will arrive in the country through chain migration, whereby newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country.

A 38-year-old immigrant from India interviewed by the New York Times explained that he voted for Democrats in the recent Virginia election because he supports gun control measures, calling it the “most pressing issue” for him.

Last week, Democrats took control of Virginia’s House of Delegates and the State Senate. Now, the Democrats hold power over the state’s legislature, the governor’s seat and the lieutenant governor’s seat — the first time since 1993 that this has occurred.

The New York Times now admits that four to five decades of mass immigration — where about 1.2 million legal immigrants are admitted to the United States every year — has shifted Virginia into a blue state:

Not long ago, this rolling green stretch of Northern Virginia was farmland. Most people who could vote had grown up here. And when they did, they usually chose Republicans. [Emphasis added]

The fields of Loudoun County are disappearing. In their place is row upon row of cookie-cutter townhouses, clipped lawns and cul-de-sacs — a suburban landscape for as far as the eye can see. Unlike three decades ago, the residents are often from other places, like India and Korea. And when they vote, it is often for Democrats.

“It’s a totally different world,” said Charles Poland, 85, a retired history professor whose family has lived in Loudoun County for four generations. His family farm is now dotted with subdivisions filled with four and five-bedroom homes that sell for $750,000. The family legacy is a road named Poland. “If my parents came back today, they wouldn’t recognize the place. The changes came like a tidal wave.”

Virginia’s foreign-born population has boomed over the last few decades. In 1990, Virginia was home to less than 312,000 foreign-born residents. Today, there are close to 1.1 million, almost four times what the population was three decades before.

NY Times: 'Tidal Wave' of Mass Immigration Hands Virginia to Democrats
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While many in the GOP, including Charlie Kirk, try their hardest to convince morally bankrupt liberals that they aren't racist, the DNC is walking away with the prize- turning states that were formerly competitive into one party blue states. If you're a moderate Republican who supports immigration, consider all the ways your life is going to change in the future-

- immigrants support gun control
- immigrants want you to pay for their healthcare, and their children's healthcare
- immigrants do not believe in strong borders
- immigrants do not care if your grandfather served in WW2
- immigrants do not generally support law enforcement
- immigrants want affirmative action programs
- 7/10 immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
 
truthatallcost said:
Or perhaps this should be titled, 'Time for the GOP to get its head out of it's ass'.



While many in the GOP, including Charlie Kirk, try their hardest to convince morally bankrupt liberals that they aren't racist, the DNC is walking away with the prize- turning states that were formerly competitive into one party blue states. If you're a moderate Republican who supports immigration, consider all the ways your life is going to change in the future-

- immigrants support gun control
- immigrants want you to pay for their healthcare, and their children's healthcare
- immigrants do not believe in strong borders
- immigrants do not care if your grandfather served in WW2
- immigrants do not generally support law enforcement
- immigrants want affirmative action programs
- 7/10 immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
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Sad story, bro.
 
truthatallcost said:
Or perhaps this should be titled, 'Time for the GOP to get its head out of it's ass'.



While many in the GOP, including Charlie Kirk, try their hardest to convince morally bankrupt liberals that they aren't racist, the DNC is walking away with the prize- turning states that were formerly competitive into one party blue states. If you're a moderate Republican who supports immigration, consider all the ways your life is going to change in the future-

- immigrants support gun control
- immigrants want you to pay for their healthcare, and their children's healthcare
- immigrants do not believe in strong borders
- immigrants do not care if your grandfather served in WW2
- immigrants do not generally support law enforcement
- immigrants want affirmative action programs
- 7/10 immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
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So to cut to the chase your OP is really about...brown people.
 
JasperL said:
Sad story, bro.
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It is. Taxpayers are on the hook for the billions of $$ spent on welfare, food stamps, law enforcement, correctional facilities, healthcare, and education for immigrants and their children while big corporations pocket added profit from keeping wages low by hiring the immigrants who work. This is the trade off we're making.
 
truthatallcost said:
It is. Taxpayers are on the hook for the billions of $$ spent on welfare, food stamps, law enforcement, correctional facilities, healthcare, and education for immigrants and their children while big corporations pocket added profit from keeping wages low by hiring the immigrants who work. This is the trade off we're making.
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It's been the "trade-off" since the founding and with each group of immigrants, dumb people always make the same short sighted, bigoted arguments. Same as it ever was.
 
JasperL said:
It's been the "trade-off" since the founding and with each group of immigrants, dumb people always make the same short sighted, bigoted arguments. Same as it ever was.
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Dumb people can't tell the difference between Irish, Italian, and German immigrants who were eager to assimilate and contribute to the nation, and today's current crop which are not only not assimilating, they're actually encouraged to not assimilate by progressive loons. Oh well, let the Barbarians cross the Danube. What could go wrong? :lamo
 
truthatallcost said:
Or perhaps this should be titled, 'Time for the GOP to get its head out of it's ass'.



While many in the GOP, including Charlie Kirk, try their hardest to convince morally bankrupt liberals that they aren't racist, the DNC is walking away with the prize- turning states that were formerly competitive into one party blue states. If you're a moderate Republican who supports immigration, consider all the ways your life is going to change in the future-

- immigrants support gun control
- immigrants want you to pay for their healthcare, and their children's healthcare
- immigrants do not believe in strong borders
- immigrants do not care if your grandfather served in WW2
- immigrants do not generally support law enforcement
- immigrants want affirmative action programs
- 7/10 immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
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Part of the reason democrats won in Virginia is because a lot of swamp people (bureaucratic democrats) live in neighboring Virginia.
 
truthatallcost said:
Dumb people can't tell the difference between Irish, Italian, and German immigrants who were eager to assimilate and contribute to the nation, and today's current crop which are not only not assimilating, they're actually encouraged to not assimilate by progressive loons. Oh well, let the Barbarians cross the Danube. What could go wrong?
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Read some history... that is all. I've already wasted enough effort on this ignorant, white nationalist bull****.
 
Outlook said:
Part of the reason democrats won in Virginia is because a lot of swamp people (bureaucratic democrats) live in neighboring Virginia.
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I think you meant a lot of educated, successful people but otherwise that's correct. Bureaucrats working for what is a SHRINKING federal government aren't buying all those $million homes up in that area.
 
truthatallcost said:
Or perhaps this should be titled, 'Time for the GOP to get its head out of it's ass'.



While many in the GOP, including Charlie Kirk, try their hardest to convince morally bankrupt liberals that they aren't racist, the DNC is walking away with the prize- turning states that were formerly competitive into one party blue states. If you're a moderate Republican who supports immigration, consider all the ways your life is going to change in the future-

- immigrants support gun control
- immigrants want you to pay for their healthcare, and their children's healthcare
- immigrants do not believe in strong borders
- immigrants do not care if your grandfather served in WW2
- immigrants do not generally support law enforcement
- immigrants want affirmative action programs
- 7/10 immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
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Well, maybe if trump hadn't gone all in on anti immigration, the GOP wouldn't be having this kind of demographic problem. They have only themselves to blame for buying into the fear mongering.
 
I could have written that headline in my sleep.

Everyone knows why the Dems are freaked out about President Trump's (futile) attempts to enforce our immigration laws.

America's a-changing. Some think for the better; some respectfully disagree.

Our great-grandchildren will know who was right.
 
truthatallcost said:
Dumb people can't tell the difference between Irish, Italian, and German immigrants who were eager to assimilate and contribute to the nation, and today's current crop which are not only not assimilating, they're actually encouraged to not assimilate by progressive loons. Oh well, let the Barbarians cross the Danube. What could go wrong? :lamo
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This is a tired meme. Immigrant groups have often taken a generation or two to fully assimilate. The latter also depends on how welcomed each group happens to be, which in this country, means many were not welcomed at all. You go back even to the early days of immigration and you had prominent people like Benjamin Franklin complaining about the Germans and their adherence to their culture and language. It's often a mixed bag when it comes to immigrants because some are here for purely economic reasons and still love their culture, while others may be less attached to it. The sentiment you're expressing is the same one that has been heard throughout this country's history, and despite all of the fear mongering about "heathens" and "uncivilized masses", here we are some 200+ years later.
 
truthatallcost said:
Dumb people can't tell the difference between Irish, Italian, and German immigrants who were eager to assimilate and contribute to the nation, and today's current crop which are not only not assimilating, they're actually encouraged to not assimilate by progressive loons. Oh well, let the Barbarians cross the Danube. What could go wrong? :lamo
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Nail on the head here. The onus of assimilation simply isn't there for immigrants. Democrats don't have much use for people who make over the median income - those people vote republican.

What causes someone to make over the median income? Well-spoken English for one. Other factors include a lack of crime and a sense of personal responsibility.
 
Does the immigration piss off nazis? If so, I'm for it.

I didn't choose tribalism as the primary rule of politics, but it sure is easy.
 
truthatallcost said:
It is. Taxpayers are on the hook for the billions of $$ spent on welfare, food stamps, law enforcement, correctional facilities, healthcare, and education for immigrants and their children while big corporations pocket added profit from keeping wages low by hiring the immigrants who work. This is the trade off we're making.
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Democrats are twice as likely to be on welfare than Republicans.
 
Rickeroo said:
Nail on the head here. The onus of assimilation simply isn't there for immigrants.
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The immigration dynamic has changed significantly in part due to transportation. When we look back to the days of immigrants coming by ship, it was expensive and took a fair amount of time to go to and from their homelands; for many it was a one way trip. The ease and affordability of travel nowadays has changed that sense of permanence and need to assimilate culturally. Telecommunications has changed this as well since people can keep in touch with their culture much easier than in the past. In the end assimilation is a choice and a matter of degrees; some people end up loving American culture and adopt it entirely, while others stick to what they know. I remember meeting more than a few Italian grandmothers who spoke very little English despite having been here for most of their lives.

Democrats don't have much use for people who make over the median income - those people vote republican.

What causes someone to make over the median income? Well-spoken English for one. Other factors include a lack of crime and a sense of personal responsibility.
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That's quite the reach since there are many variables. People in urban centers who are over the median income will not necessarily vote Republican.
 
ElChupacabra said:
The immigration dynamic has changed significantly in part due to transportation. When we look back to the days of immigrants coming by ship, it was expensive and took a fair amount of time to go to and from their homelands; for many it was a one way trip. The ease and affordability of travel nowadays has changed that sense of permanence and need to assimilate culturally. Telecommunications has changed this as well since people can keep in touch with their culture much easier than in the past. In the end assimilation is a choice and a matter of degrees; some people end up loving American culture and adopt it entirely, while others stick to what they know. I remember meeting more than a few Italian grandmothers who spoke very little English despite having been here for most of their lives.



That's quite the reach since there are many variables. People in urban centers who are over the median income will not necessarily vote Republican.
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Voting by income:

How Groups Voted in 2016 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

Under $50k: Clinton 53/41
$50k to $100k: Trump 49/46
$100k+: Tied

I was initially surprised by these numbers, as I thought that $50k was around the median income. If this is true, Trump was blown away here and there is no way he could have won even by the electoral college.

However, the median individual income is a bit more pathetic at $31,000 in 2016:

Personal income in the United States - Wikipedia

This allows Trump to take some of Hillary's massive advantage in the under $50k segment, which includes a large portion of people making over the median income.
 
Rickeroo said:
Voting by income:

How Groups Voted in 2016 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

Under $50k: Clinton 53/41
$50k to $100k: Trump 49/46
$100k+: Tied

I was initially surprised by these numbers, as I thought that $50k was around the median income. If this is true, Trump was blown away here and there is no way he could have won even by the electoral college.

However, the median individual income is a bit more pathetic at $31,000 in 2016:

Personal income in the United States - Wikipedia

This allows Trump to take some of Hillary's massive advantage in the under $50k segment, which includes a large portion of people making over the median income.
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Even looking a bit further back makes it hard to draw hard conclusions just based on income:

2008 Election

<$15,000: Obama 73/25
$15-29,999: Obama 60/37
$30-49,999: Obama 55/43
$50-74,999: Obama 48/49
$75-99,999: Obama 51/48
$100,000 & over: Tied

It will be interesting to see what the 2020 split will be, because I think what will be different for Trump this go around is people now know what his governance style is like, so it's no longer a matter of "trying something new". I really think 2020 is the Democrats' race to lose.
 
truthatallcost said:
Or perhaps this should be titled, 'Time for the GOP to get its head out of it's ass'.



While many in the GOP, including Charlie Kirk, try their hardest to convince morally bankrupt liberals that they aren't racist, the DNC is walking away with the prize- turning states that were formerly competitive into one party blue states. If you're a moderate Republican who supports immigration, consider all the ways your life is going to change in the future-

- immigrants support gun control
- immigrants want you to pay for their healthcare, and their children's healthcare
- immigrants do not believe in strong borders
- immigrants do not care if your grandfather served in WW2
- immigrants do not generally support law enforcement
- immigrants want affirmative action programs
- 7/10 immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
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Who's fault is it, the right has no solutions and nothing but repeal? "Newcomers don't feel the need to go along with that in modern times."
 
truthatallcost said:
Or perhaps this should be titled, 'Time for the GOP to get its head out of it's ass'.
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1) Well, too late for that. Republicans have hitched themselves to the anti-immigrant and white supremacist bandwagon. It's going to take decades to live that down.

2) You linked to Breitbart. Epic Fail.

3) The article did focus on immigrants. But if you actually bothered to read it, you'd see that immigration is only part of the reason VA is turning blue. "The influx of immigrants and their U.S.-born children, the spread of high-density suburbia and the growth of higher education all tilt the field toward the Democrats."

4) Those of us who actually read the NYT (and not hate-read it) noticed another article, where a Democratic activist points out that it isn't just a result of brown people moving into north and eastern VA. It's also the result of boots on the ground, encouraging people to vote. (Opinion | Democrats Could Learn a Lot From What Happened In Virginia - The New York Times)


While many in the GOP, including Charlie Kirk, try their hardest to convince morally bankrupt liberals that they aren't racist, the DNC is walking away with the prize- turning states that were formerly competitive into one party blue states. If you're a moderate Republican who supports immigration, consider all the ways your life is going to change in the future....
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You're learning the wrong lesson here.

The US and its demographics are changing. There is no way to turn back the clock to 1955. There is no way to Make America White Again. That ship has sailed.

You also fail to understand that the political choices of immigrants and minorities are not monolithic and are not set in stone. These are complex communities with diverse political views. However, the type of rhetoric that people like you employ, to demonize or vilify immigrants and minorities, is driving them away from Republicans. You should be telling conservative leaders and Republican elected officials to reach out to those communities in a meaningful way, to find common ground, to try and work with and represent those communities.

Instead, by vilifying immigrants, you're turning them against Republicans, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So, keep up the good work. Go ahead, tell us all how you really feel about immigrants. It's not like they are listening, amirite? :mrgreen:
 
truthatallcost said:
Or perhaps this should be titled, 'Time for the GOP to get its head out of it's ass'.



While many in the GOP, including Charlie Kirk, try their hardest to convince morally bankrupt liberals that they aren't racist, the DNC is walking away with the prize- turning states that were formerly competitive into one party blue states. If you're a moderate Republican who supports immigration, consider all the ways your life is going to change in the future-

- immigrants support gun control
- immigrants want you to pay for their healthcare, and their children's healthcare
- immigrants do not believe in strong borders
- immigrants do not care if your grandfather served in WW2
- immigrants do not generally support law enforcement
- immigrants want affirmative action programs
- 7/10 immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
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I like many, have long said this is the plan of democrats. Bring as many immigrants into the country as they possibly can, legally or illegally in order to change the voting patterns in some areas. This being based on democrat ideas that they tend to receive a large portion of minority votes. It is why they want open borders, it is why they advocated for DACA, it is why they advocate for Sanctuary Cities. Their concern is political and not at all humanitarian.
 
truthatallcost said:
Or perhaps this should be titled, 'Time for the GOP to get its head out of it's ass'.



While many in the GOP, including Charlie Kirk, try their hardest to convince morally bankrupt liberals that they aren't racist, the DNC is walking away with the prize- turning states that were formerly competitive into one party blue states. If you're a moderate Republican who supports immigration, consider all the ways your life is going to change in the future-

- immigrants support gun control
- immigrants want you to pay for their healthcare, and their children's healthcare
- immigrants do not believe in strong borders
- immigrants do not care if your grandfather served in WW2
- immigrants do not generally support law enforcement
- immigrants want affirmative action programs
- 7/10 immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
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You guys would rather attack legal immigration than reach out to minorities and immigrants
 
ElChupacabra said:
Even looking a bit further back makes it hard to draw hard conclusions just based on income:

2008 Election

<$15,000: Obama 73/25
$15-29,999: Obama 60/37
$30-49,999: Obama 55/43
$50-74,999: Obama 48/49
$75-99,999: Obama 51/48
$100,000 & over: Tied

It will be interesting to see what the 2020 split will be, because I think what will be different for Trump this go around is people now know what his governance style is like, so it's no longer a matter of "trying something new". I really think 2020 is the Democrats' race to lose.
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I think Obama's income numbers are even more demonstrative. Complete ownage of the under $15,000 crowd, a solid housing under 30k, and a strong showing under 50k. Post 50k, the numbers are decidedly more tepid.

I would expect the same income dynamics, roughly, for any presidential election since the 1970's. Without the poor, democrats don't win.
 
SheWolf said:
You guys would rather attack legal immigration than reach out to minorities and immigrants
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The GOP tried reaching out to minorities over the course of several decades. What we learned is that most minorities will vote for Democrats regardless of how much we try to include them.
 
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