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Why Impeach? the extortion timeline - a visual aid.

Mycroft said:
Not good enough. I've already shot that nonsense all to hell.
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I have always believed that an effective gauge of unmerited intellectual arrogance is when one believes that one's mere expression of denial is a sufficient defense of their opinion.
 
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Jonsa said:
I have always believed that an effective gauge of unmerited intellectual arrogance is when one believes that one's mere expression of denial is a sufficient defense of their opinion.
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You should read the posts in your own thread.
 
Jonsa said:
Oh please. in a world full of self righteous excoriation of all things democrat as a matter of principle a strong sense for self examination seem scarce if not extinct.

Dear Leader is over 14,000 false or misleading claims since his ascendancy. Your perception of where the truth lies is obviously distorted.

Hypocrisy truly is the tribute vice pays to virtue. - La Rochefoucauld
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Why dont you actually address his point? Or are you waiting for another cartoon to stand in for an argument. What witness has testified that they heard Trump insist on linking aid with anything from Ukraine?
 
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Fletch said:
Why dont you actually address his point? Or are you waiting for another cartoon to stand in for an argument. What witness has testified that they heard Trump insist on linking link with anything from Ukraine?
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Trump himself linked the funding to investigating the Bidens and the server conspiracy.
 
Mycroft said:
btw, Schiffty knew about Ciaramella before the IG did and both Schiffty and Nancy knew about the phone call before the public did.
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Ooh breaking news trump knew about ALL the corruption be was committing before the public k ew...
 
GDViking said:
Ooh breaking news trump knew about ALL the corruption be was committing before the public k ew...
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There is no corruption.
 
Mycroft said:
There is no corruption.
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See? This is why twump sycophants are universally laughed at and never taken seriously. They reject objective reality.

His administration is the most corrupt in our nation's history.

He is corrupt to his clinically obese, blackened core.
 
joko104 said:
You don't understand the Democratic Party's complaint. President Obama was giving Ukraine to Putin. Obama gave Russia all of Ukraine's Crimea and then gave Putin much of Eastern Ukraine. However, when Trump became president he stopped any more of Ukraine being given to Russia.

Their claiming that Trump is responsible for the deaths of Ukrainian soldiers because if he had followed Obama and given all of the rest of Ukraine to Russia then there would be no killing of soldiers, figuring the total conquest of Ukraine by Russia with Obama/Clinton as Putin's ally would have been a non-violent re-subjugation of all Ukrainians. Simply, the Democratic Party and most Democrats on this forum are FURIOUS that Trump did not give Russia the rest of Ukraine not already given to Russia by Democrat President Obama.
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We have Russian flags flying over American facilities.

Please tell me what other president in history has allowed that???

And then after abandoning our allies, and allowing mass genocide, he still has the audacity to appear before troops, vets, and Americans on veterans day.

He should have been hiding in a cave ...
 
theLiquidGuy said:
The picture is not false.
Nothing described by the cartoon in that picture is false.
You’re the one who is false!
You are!
You are!
So there!



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One thing is false. It wasn't Trump who released the money, but the State Dept, after lawyers advised that holding it was illegal. So he didn't even do that, but lied about it anyway.
 
Fletch said:
Why dont you actually address his point? Or are you waiting for another cartoon to stand in for an argument. What witness has testified that they heard Trump insist on linking aid with anything from Ukraine?
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I wil; tell you exactly what witness, but first I need a favor.
 
Mycroft said:
There is no corruption.
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Is that your imperial decree or is that from your extensive background in jurisprudence or is it yet another kneejerk dismissal 'cause you got zip, nada, riente?
 
Jonsa said:
I suppose fatuous denial is an adequate substitute for substance in some corners of the world.
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and as soon as you put something of substance up, we'll talk about it.
 
GDViking said:
We have Russian flags flying over American facilities.

Please tell me what other president in history has allowed that???

And then after abandoning our allies, and allowing mass genocide, he still has the audacity to appear before troops, vets, and Americans on veterans day.

He should have been hiding in a cave ...
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Who knew making america great again was to run away and bomb the equipment and facilities so the enemy couldn't use them? Guess when push really comes to shove Trump CAVES every time.

Who knew making america great again was getting fined $2 million for using the money raise for veteran donation by his sham charitable foundation as a campaign slush fund?
Guess as long as its the Dear Leader ripping everyone off, its okay. He is CinC after all.
 
smallvoice said:
and as soon as you put something of substance up, we'll talk about it.
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I see substance is something you have trouble identifying. For some strange reason, a time line has no significance or substance in trumpland. I guess because if it is examined in its normal sequence the usual fantasy conspiratorial whataboutery defenses of the Dear Leader are rendered nonsense.
 
dairyair said:
Today it's he did withhold aid. But that's not impeachable. They admit he was extorting.
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apparently extortion isn't a crime in trumpland, its SOP so get used to it!
 
Fletch said:
No he didnt. Thats just a (nother) lie
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The President: I would like you to do us a favor though
because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a
lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with
this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess
you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say
Ukraine has it.
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The President: The other thing,
There's a lot of talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the
prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if
you can look into it ...
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Where the ellipses are in the snippet above is where the White House removed Trumps mention of Burisma.
 
Mycroft said:
I deny spin...not facts.
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sometimes the conservative inability to process reality is not so obvious. this is an easy one. MC, here's your post

Mycroft said:
That's false.

And those R.I.P.'s are irrelevant.

But hey...you gotta spin to impeach, don't you?
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You can say the deaths are "irrelevant" (and of course you will) but it is not "false". What you have posted is your opinion that the deaths are irrelevant. Please explain why you have this opinion. Your "nuh uh" is not as convincing as you think it is. and if you feel up to it, can you think of any reason why Trump wouldn't release the aid right away as he promised.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Where the ellipses are in the snippet above is where the White House removed Trumps mention of Burisma.
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First of all, how do you know that? And second, there is nowhere in there that shows Trump linking the funding to investigating the Bidens and the server conspiracy.
 
Fletch said:
First of all, how do you know that? And second, there is nowhere in there that shows Trump linking the funding to investigating the Bidens and the server conspiracy.
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I guess you can't connect the dots.

The big boss has had his henchmen clearly define the terms of the deal to get the cash PRIOR to the phone call - in fact it is a necessary condition for the call to take place in the first place - so when he says "we've been very good to you and I'd like you to do us a favor though" its pretty damn clear that without that favor, there was no aid forthcoming.

I get how it seems perfectly reasonable to trumpian minds that the "memo" of the conversation is the sole piece of evidence upon which to evaluate and adjudicate the actions of the President. I mean putting it in the context of the orders he gave his minions both in and out of the administration produces way too many nails to seal the deal.
 
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