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Joe Biden said Teachers and Fireman make $100,000 a year

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In what reality is Joe Biden living? He said in response to a question on health care cost and tax increases in Tuesday's debate that School Teachers and Firemen make $100,000 annually and would raise taxes to do so. Where in American does that salary represent the average pay for those folks. More lies from Joe and more misrepresentations.

He also said George Washington said having foreign governments meddle in our elections was the biggest threat to U.S. No he named two cautionary steps the U.S. needed to follow, he said all foreign entanglements and political parties were the biggest dangers to the U.S. He advocated America staying isolated from foreign countries and warned against the divisive nature of political parties.
I think we take his advice.
George Washington's Farewell Address - Wikipedia
 
Integrityrespec said:
In what reality is Joe Biden living? He said in response to a question on health care cost and tax increases in Tuesday's debate that School Teachers and Firemen make $100,000 annually and would raise taxes to do so. Where in American does that salary represent the average pay for those folks. More lies from Joe and more misrepresentations.

He also said George Washington said having foreign governments meddle in our elections was the biggest threat to U.S. No he named two cautionary steps the U.S. needed to follow, he said all foreign entanglements and political parties were the biggest dangers to the U.S. He advocated America staying isolated from foreign countries and warned against the divisive nature of political parties.
I think we take his advice.
George Washington's Farewell Address - Wikipedia
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Biden has proven himself to be an old doddering fool. All PA. subway, no trains.
 
Well...in his disillusioned reality they do. Codger probably believes in the Easter Bunny too, at this point.
 
In New York a teacher's salary of $100,000 is not unusual. After 5 years city firemen can make $100,000 with overtime. Police make the same or more.
 
Integrityrespec said:
In what reality is Joe Biden living? He said in response to a question on health care cost and tax increases in Tuesday's debate that School Teachers and Firemen make $100,000 annually and would raise taxes to do so. Where in American does that salary represent the average pay for those folks. More lies from Joe and more misrepresentations.

He also said George Washington said having foreign governments meddle in our elections was the biggest threat to U.S. No he named two cautionary steps the U.S. needed to follow, he said all foreign entanglements and political parties were the biggest dangers to the U.S. He advocated America staying isolated from foreign countries and warned against the divisive nature of political parties.
I think we take his advice.
George Washington's Farewell Address - Wikipedia
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Firemen accumulate a lot of overtime so it is possible they earn $100k; teachers not so much.
 
JMR said:
In New York a teacher's salary of $100,000 is not unusual. After 5 years city firemen can make $100,000 with overtime. Police make the same or more.
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Cherry picking the utmost ceiling does not a point make; Biden was being absurd.
 
Integrityrespec said:
In what reality is Joe Biden living? He said in response to a question on health care cost and tax increases in Tuesday's debate that School Teachers and Firemen make $100,000 annually and would raise taxes to do so. Where in American does that salary represent the average pay for those folks. More lies from Joe and more misrepresentations.

He also said George Washington said having foreign governments meddle in our elections was the biggest threat to U.S. No he named two cautionary steps the U.S. needed to follow, he said all foreign entanglements and political parties were the biggest dangers to the U.S. He advocated America staying isolated from foreign countries and warned against the divisive nature of political parties.
I think we take his advice.
George Washington's Farewell Address - Wikipedia
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Firemen accumulate a lot of overtime so it is possible they earn $100k; teachers not so much.
 
Surrealistik said:
Cherry picking the utmost ceiling does not a point make; Biden was being absurd.
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The OP question was "in what reality does Biden live" East coast salaries for teachers and firemen are very high. California is not so far behind. In addition these jobs always have very good employer paid benefits. The point being made is that it is not possible to live in New York on the average Oklahoma salary. So it is important for everyone to realize that their own particular reality is not shared coast to coast. Glad Biden woke a few folks up.
 
JMR said:
The OP question was "in what reality does Biden live" East coast salaries for teachers and firemen are very high. California is not so far behind. In addition these jobs always have very good employer paid benefits. The point being made is that it is not possible to live in New York on the average Oklahoma salary. So it is important for everyone to realize that their own particular reality is not shared coast to coast. Glad Biden woke a few folks up.
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Even on the east coast, the average and median salary is obviously and concretely not what the top earners in the most expensive city make.

It just doesn't jive; one of Biden's many ****s ups. Biden didn't wake anyone up so much as made himself look like a fool; it was an embarrassing line.
 
Bullseye said:
Firemen accumulate a lot of overtime so it is possible they earn $100k; teachers not so much.
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Most teachers continue their schooling and are paid for graduate degrees and more. They also have many ways of earning more than their salary, with extra curricular activities, supervision, writing curriculum, covering classes for absent teachers, etc.
 
Integrityrespec said:
In what reality is Joe Biden living? He said in response to a question on health care cost and tax increases in Tuesday's debate that School Teachers and Firemen make $100,000 annually and would raise taxes to do so. Where in American does that salary represent the average pay for those folks. More lies from Joe and more misrepresentations.

He also said George Washington said having foreign governments meddle in our elections was the biggest threat to U.S. No he named two cautionary steps the U.S. needed to follow, he said all foreign entanglements and political parties were the biggest dangers to the U.S. He advocated America staying isolated from foreign countries and warned against the divisive nature of political parties.
I think we take his advice.
George Washington's Farewell Address - Wikipedia
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in very few counties.

he is wrong, especially in regards to most red states.
 
Surrealistik said:
Even on the east coast, the average and median salary is obviously and concretely not what the top earners in the most expensive city make.

It just doesn't jive; one of Biden's many ****s ups. Biden didn't wake anyone up so much as made himself look like a fool; it was an embarrassing line.
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Where did he say the median salary? He said they make that, and they do....
 
Surrealistik said:
Even on the east coast, the average and median salary is obviously and concretely not what the top earners in the most expensive city make.

It just doesn't jive; one of Biden's many ****s ups. Biden didn't wake anyone up so much as made himself look like a fool; it was an embarrassing line.
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Would you rank it right up there with a Trump ****up? Just curious where this falls on the scale.
 
JMR said:
Where did he say the median salary? He said they make that, and they do....
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It should be obvious that cherry picking the very ceiling is absurdly disingenuous at best and merely absurd at worst.

JMR said:
Would you rank it right up there with a Trump ****up? Just curious where this falls on the scale.
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Depends on the Trump **** up; they range all over the place in terms of magnitude.
 
Surrealistik said:
It should be obvious that cherry picking the very ceiling is absurdly disingenuous at best and merely absurd at worst.



Depends on the Trump **** up; they range all over the place in terms of magnitude.
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I don't see how a truthful statement is absurdly disingenuous. Many teachers in New York, New Jersey, Alaska, Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, California and Rhode Island make 100,000 or damn close to it. Oregon and Washington are a bit behind. It might also be interesting to compare this list to ratings of public education by state.
 
JMR said:
I don't see how a truthful statement is absurdly disingenuous. Many teachers in New York, New Jersey, Alaska, Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, California and Rhode Island make 100,000 or damn close to it. Oregon and Washington are a bit behind. It might also be interesting to compare this list to ratings of public education by state.
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You don't see how it's disingenuous and silly to talk about the earnings of a tiny, infinitesimally small % of earners when trying to make a counterpoint on the basis of tax burden? It's basically on par with Republicans pearl clutching over the tiny minority of farmer's kin who might get dinged by the inheritance tax because they take in an estate worth millions: #1: it's true for only a scant minority of people, and #2: those few people who it does affect are still very well off after the fact. And I'm not even getting into the particulars of probable or mandated salary increases resulting from MFA when employers no longer have to waste a fortune on health insurance.

Why do you insist on defending the indefensible? Biden ****ed up.
 
Integrityrespec said:
In what reality is Joe Biden living? He said in response to a question on health care cost and tax increases in Tuesday's debate that School Teachers and Firemen make $100,000 annually
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They sure as hell do in NY, PA, NJ, MA...

Plus they have Cadillac benefits and amazing hours you can't get in the private sector.
 
I think it's a great idea for Trumpsters to focus on the person who won't win the D nomination.
 
Airyaman said:
I think it's a great idea for Trumpsters to focus on the person who won't win the D nomination.
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I see Biden as useful to absorb conservative hatred while us liberals can do our business of (hopefully) electing the next president.
 
noonereal said:
They sure as hell do in NY, PA, NJ, MA...

Plus they have Cadillac benefits and amazing hours you can't get in the private sector.
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I have family all over PA and that is completely untrue.
It is remotely possible that a fire chief in Philly MIGHT make a hundred, but in the typical Pennsylvania town or city?
Nope, no way in Hell, and no way are teachers ANYWHERE making that kind of dough in public ed either.
In the private sector, possibly but the only folks making a hundred grand or more in public schools are the upper level administrators in the largest city school systems. The rank and file teachers? No way in Hell.

And the same for NJ and MA except MAYBE in the largest cities, maybe the chief or his immediate underlings, again only in the largest cities.
New York? New York City?? A hundred large a year is just enough to just maybe get by unless you're okay with living in the worst slums.

Average teacher AND firefighter pay in most of the country is between $45 and 65 thousand a year, and Joe Biden is smoking some damn good herb.
 
Integrityrespec said:
In what reality is Joe Biden living? He said in response to a question on health care cost and tax increases in Tuesday's debate that School Teachers and Firemen make $100,000 annually and would raise taxes to do so. Where in American does that salary represent the average pay for those folks. More lies from Joe and more misrepresentations.

He also said George Washington said having foreign governments meddle in our elections was the biggest threat to U.S. No he named two cautionary steps the U.S. needed to follow, he said all foreign entanglements and political parties were the biggest dangers to the U.S. He advocated America staying isolated from foreign countries and warned against the divisive nature of political parties.
I think we take his advice.
George Washington's Farewell Address - Wikipedia
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they do in NYC and other educated places, but not in flyover country hick rube places, trump country such as red state jesusland
 
tacomancer said:
I see Biden as useful to absorb conservative hatred while us liberals can do our business of (hopefully) electing the next president.
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It's rather sad. Biden doesn't really stand a chance no matter what polls say right now. He's not raising money, he's burning through what money he has, and it's obvious that he is way past his prime. This is not about real age, this is about mental capability. He is stumbling. He may be physically fit, but he is showing some obvious mental decline. We need a POTUS who is mentally up to the task of fixing all of the **** Trump has ruined. Biden simply isn't it.
 
Airyaman said:
It's rather sad. Biden doesn't really stand a chance no matter what polls say right now. He's not raising money, he's burning through what money he has, and it's obvious that he is way past his prime. This is not about real age, this is about mental capability. He is stumbling. He may be physically fit, but he is showing some obvious mental decline. We need a POTUS who is mentally up to the task of fixing all of the **** Trump has ruined. Biden simply isn't it.
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I believe he is a good and honest man. But he is better for maybe the 80s or early 90s. Culture has passed him by.
 
tacomancer said:
I believe he is a good and honest man. But he is better for maybe the 80s or early 90s. Culture has passed him by.
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Biden has always been VP material, imo, not lead dog. Politics is a much different challenge since Trump and I'm not sure what things are going to look like post Trump; last two words look good!
 
It is not just fireman and law enforcement. Remember this garbage collector article?
"Molina made $112,000 last year as a garbage truck driver and Sankar made $100,000 as a helper, riding on the back of the truck."
The $100,000 job: Garbage workers

Pretty crazy if you ask me. So in some cases I don't think old Joe is all that far off.
 
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