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Trump never lies?

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I've heard from a number of Trump supporters on this site that Trump doesn't actually lie. He exaggerates a little bit, he talks off the cuff and might get mixed up, or get a statistic wrong as anyone would every once in a while, but he doesn't lie. We even had a thread a while back with Trump supporters that asked for a single example of Trump lying because they didn't actually think he has told a lie since taking office.

I saw this tweet this weekend and just laughed to myself because it's a perfect example of exactly the kind of things you have to deny in order to hold that stance.

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Wow, the fake news just completely made up that he'd talk with iran with no conditions. Wonder where they got that idea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...11e9-bfb1-849887369476_story.html?arc404=true

In fact, Trump said as much during a June 23 appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” after host Chuck Todd asked if he had a message to deliver to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, about his country’s potential development of a nuclear weapon.“You can’t have a nuclear weapon. You want to talk? Good. Otherwise you can have a bad economy for the next three years,” Trump said.

“No preconditions?” Todd asked.


“Not as far as I’m concerned. No preconditions,” Trump replied.

Wow. That seems pretty cut and dry. But there's more!

That echoed Trump’s comments at a July 30, 2018, joint news conference at the White House during a visit by Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte.Asked about a potential meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, Trump said: “I believe in meeting. I would certainly meet with Iran if they wanted to meet. I don’t know if they’re ready yet.”
“I’m ready to meet anytime they want to,” Trump added. “No preconditions. If they want to meet, we’ll meet.”

Well damn.

I think this is a great demonstration of why I think Trump is so bad for our country. He is the most powerful man in the world. Whether you like the media or not, whether you think they are fair or not, he is literally attacking the media for reporting something that he has explicitly said more than once. He is denying the very plain reality of what he has said. Trump supporters want me to be ok with him leading the country when he will literally attack a news organization for reporting exactly what he said. This also lets us know that when he attacks or accuses the FBI, or another country, or anything for that matter, of doing something wrong that there's always a (very good) chance that he's really just attacking them because he doesn't like them or doesn't like what they are saying and not actually because they are doing anything wrong. This kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated. I'm fine with a politician trying to focus on the good in order to sell himself or trying to convince people that he's done a good job. You expect that. But to just straight up lie like this is not ok.
 
I've heard from a number of Trump supporters on this site that Trump doesn't actually lie. He exaggerates a little bit, he talks off the cuff and might get mixed up, or get a statistic wrong as anyone would every once in a while, but he doesn't lie. We even had a thread a while back with Trump supporters that asked for a single example of Trump lying because they didn't actually think he has told a lie since taking office.

I saw this tweet this weekend and just laughed to myself because it's a perfect example of exactly the kind of things you have to deny in order to hold that stance.

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Wow, the fake news just completely made up that he'd talk with iran with no conditions. Wonder where they got that idea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...11e9-bfb1-849887369476_story.html?arc404=true



Wow. That seems pretty cut and dry. But there's more!



Well damn.

I think this is a great demonstration of why I think Trump is so bad for our country. He is the most powerful man in the world. Whether you like the media or not, whether you think they are fair or not, he is literally attacking the media for reporting something that he has explicitly said more than once. He is denying the very plain reality of what he has said. Trump supporters want me to be ok with him leading the country when he will literally attack a news organization for reporting exactly what he said. This also lets us know that when he attacks or accuses the FBI, or another country, or anything for that matter, of doing something wrong that there's always a (very good) chance that he's really just attacking them because he doesn't like them or doesn't like what they are saying and not actually because they are doing anything wrong. This kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated. I'm fine with a politician trying to focus on the good in order to sell himself or trying to convince people that he's done a good job. You expect that. But to just straight up lie like this is not ok.

It's bad enough that we have Pompeo and Mnuchin on camera last week saying how Trump has been clear about this. We have Trump saying it as recently as July of this year to Chuck Todd, forget the earlier times he said it.

Trump thinks his supporters are stupid, and while I agree with him on that, I find it very concerning that he can lie without any hesitation so easily.

The man is sick.
 
Pretty much everything that comes out of King Tangface's face anus is a lie.
 
It's bad enough that we have Pompeo and Mnuchin on camera last week saying how Trump has been clear about this. We have Trump saying it as recently as July of this year to Chuck Todd, forget the earlier times he said it.

Trump thinks his supporters are stupid, and while I agree with him on that, I find it very concerning that he can lie without any hesitation so easily.

The man is sick.

Trump does NOT lie.

And truck stop hookers don't have sex either.
 
Trump's most dedicated defenders are sticklers for the part of the definition of "lie" which mentions knowingly making the false statement.

Then they say we can't prove that Trump KNEW the statement was false. They have a point about that since Trump has dementia and we're not sure he knows what he said five minutes ago, much less days, weeks or months ago.


Therefore, though he makes dozens of false statements in any given week, you can't prove he's lying. That makes it all okay.
 
Anyone who says Trump never lies is engaging in Newspeak.
 
The Trump crowd seems to be avoiding this thread. No need to wonder why.
 
The Trump crowd seems to be avoiding this thread. No need to wonder why.


Probably because this is another crap shot by the fake news media.


Trump: "The Fake News is saying that I am willing to meet with Iran, “No Conditions.” That is an incorrect statement (as usual!)."

A few days ago the AP wrote "... Trump has made clear 'he would sit down with Rouhani with no condition' to discuss Iran's nuclear program. ..." insinuating that there would be no condition by Trump on Iran's nuclear program.

Trump's actual words were that he wouldn't require any pre-conditions for a meeting with Iran.

Mnuchin: No meeting planned between Trump and Iran's Rouhani


Carry on!
 
The cult members won't respond to this thread. They'll pretend this never happened.

I guess this video of him saying he would meet without preconditions must be a deep fake

 
Probably because this is another crap shot by the fake news media.


Trump: "The Fake News is saying that I am willing to meet with Iran, “No Conditions.” That is an incorrect statement (as usual!)."

A few days ago the AP wrote "... Trump has made clear 'he would sit down with Rouhani with no condition' to discuss Iran's nuclear program. ..." insinuating that there would be no condition by Trump on Iran's nuclear program.

Trump's actual words were that he wouldn't require any pre-conditions for a meeting with Iran.

Mnuchin: No meeting planned between Trump and Iran's Rouhani


Carry on!

 
Obviously you can't read ... (grin)

I'm not sure what your point is. What's the difference between meeting with "no conditions" and meeting with "no pre-conditions"?
 
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