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White privilege------------not!!!!

Hari Seldon said:
So white privilege doesn't exist because you worked hard and had to handle calls at 3 am. With that kind of reasoning you could become a trump supporter.
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You're right. Someone like that definitely will not be a Democrat.
 
Grand Mal said:
Atta boy. You're an inspiration.
But what do you know about how your experience differs from a city-bred black person? Do you think a black guy from Chicago, say, or LA or New Orleans might have a different take on society?
See, all you've told us here is that you didn't ****-up royally. A repair technician on-call 24/7 ain't exactly a shining example of success but you didn't ****-up royally. So congratulations. But what gives you the right to declare there's no white privilege, based on what you say here? Sounds like you've had it pretty easy, overcoming-wise. Treaded water, ya know?
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I've done a decent bit of **** that would have been a royal ****-up if I wasn't white. I've been caught trespassing in places students aren't supposed to be on four separate occasions at my college, and gotten off without even a warning each time. Two times were even from the same campus police officer. I know goddamn well that they wouldn't have given a black student that kind of discretionary soft handling for **** like wandering around inside of an academic building at 3 in the morning or climbing on the decorative balconies at the library in broad daylight.
 
joko104 said:
You're right. Someone like that definitely will not be a Democrat.
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You mean like Tammy Duckworth who served and lost her legs unlike 5 deferment cadet fake bone spurs scumbag? Oh wait Duckworth is a Democrat and the lying sack of **** who thinks poorly of captured war heroes like McCain is a repuke. Got me there joke.
 
Hari Seldon said:
You mean like Tammy Duckworth who served and lost her legs unlike 5 deferment cadet fake bone spurs scumbag? Oh wait Duckworth is a Democrat and the lying sack of **** who thinks poorly of captured war heroes like McCain is a repuke. Got me there joke.
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I commend McCain for serving, but then he was expected to. Was he anymore a hero than the other shot down pilots? Keep in mind that he was near the bottom of his class, blew up his own ship and some have accused him of singing like a bird when in prison.
 
nitroexpress said:
I commend McCain for serving, but then he was expected to. Was he anymore a hero than the other shot down pilots? Keep in mind that he was near the bottom of his class, blew up his own ship and some have accused him of singing like a bird when in prison.
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I'm sure 5 deferment cadet fake bone spurs would have proved much better and stronger. Oh wait he got 5 deferments but he knows more than all his generals. Too funny.

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ludin said:
white privilege is just the next round of the white guilt trip. You should feel guilty for being white.
sorry i don't. I have worked for everything i have. I took the means and the processes and opportunities that were offered to me.
i made good decision while some of my friends didn't make good decisions. they were white as well.

making good decisions with your life has no bearing on skin color. I am at the point i am going to sell my home and either buy or build a new one.
i love that i have made the choices in life to get me to this point.

YouTube

destroys the white privilege myth.
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Problem: have you ever been denied a loan because you were white? Have you ever been pulled over in a nice neighborhood because you were white? Have you ever been passed up on a promotion or raise because you were white? Does security follow you in a store because you are white? If you say no to any or all of these questions....that's white privilege.

Doing hard work and making right choices are the best ways to get ahead, absolutely. But there are things that you don't have to worry about; if you are white, do well for yourself and have a nice car...and driving next to you is black man who also worked hard and did well for himself and has a nice car, but the odds are heavily in his favor of getting pulled over for no reason because the cop will see a white man driving a nice car and think nothing of it, but in his/her mind, the black man driving the nice car surely must be a drug dealer so he gets pulled over....that's white privilege.
 
Jason Warfield said:
Problem: have you ever been denied a loan because you were white? Have you ever been pulled over in a nice neighborhood because you were white? Have you ever been passed up on a promotion or raise because you were white? Does security follow you in a store because you are white? If you say no to any or all of these questions....that's white privilege.
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I haven't been denied a loan because i have made great choices with my credit to never be denied a loan. When you are responsible and have a over 800 credit score you don't get denied loans.
I have been pulled over because i was breaking the law simple fact. This last round it was because i was a straight white dude. Security follows people acting suspicious and not shopping like normal shoppers.
no it isn't. it is a result of behaving one's self and being responsible. Simple as that.

Doing hard work and making right choices are the best ways to get ahead, absolutely. But there are things that you don't have to worry about; if you are white, do well for yourself and have a nice car...and driving next to you is black man who also worked hard and did well for himself and has a nice car, but the odds are heavily in his favor of getting pulled over for no reason because the cop will see a white man driving a nice car and think nothing of it, but in his/her mind, the black man driving the nice car surely must be a drug dealer so he gets pulled over....that's white privilege.
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I honestly don't care if he breaks the law then he is going to get pulled over.
no it isn't white privilege. it also depends on the area that i am in as well.

sorry you might feel guilty for being white and think that your skin color has something to do
with it.

you do not get to project your white guilt onto me. and saying that i have everything that i have because
of my skin color is racist.

so why are you being racists?
 
ludin said:
another non-reponse as i expect.

there is no such thing as white privilege.
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I am a white male. I grew up in poverty, not poor, in poverty. I am now demographically solidly in the upper middle class and have a 6 figure income. Had my first job at age 15, worked 2 jobs until I was married. No one ever gave me anything. However, I still know that I benefited from some degree of white privilege. The reason being is that if you are white and living in poverty, you have a greater likelihood of someone in your family knowing business owners and people in upper management in various companies / industries than someone that is black that grows up in poverty. I got my foot in the door for the first really good IT job I had back 20 years ago because my mom knew the owner's wife. More often than not, when you get a good job, you get it because you know someone, and if you are white, you are more apt to know someone. It's basically that simple.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am a white male. I grew up in poverty, not poor, in poverty. I am now demographically solidly in the upper middle class and have a 6 figure income. Had my first job at age 15, worked 2 jobs until I was married. No one ever gave me anything. However, I still know that I benefited from some degree of white privilege. The reason being is that if you are white and living in poverty, you have a greater likelihood of someone in your family knowing business owners and people in upper management in various companies / industries than someone that is black that grows up in poverty. I got my foot in the door for the first really good IT job I had back 20 years ago because my mom knew the owner's wife. More often than not, when you get a good job, you get it because you know someone, and if you are white, you are more apt to know someone. It's basically that simple.
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then you need to give it all up for all the guilt you have.
sorry you feel guilty for being white.

I do not feel guilty nor am i am privileged in the sense that i live in the US. one of the most freest society on earth which allows anyone of any color to come here
and become a millionaire or billionaire. that is the real privilege.

Suck that nothing you did was based on your knowledge or skill it was because of your skin.
so sad that you think that way. in any event you should give up your privileged ill-gotten gains
and go give it to someone that deserves it more than you do to i mean handle all of that guilt that you have.

me i won't because i got where i am due to my knowledge and work effort and making good choices.
 
ludin said:
then you need to give it all up for all the guilt you have.
sorry you feel guilty for being white.

I do not feel guilty nor am i am privileged in the sense that i live in the US. one of the most freest society on earth which allows anyone of any color to come here
and become a millionaire or billionaire. that is the real privilege.

Suck that nothing you did was based on your knowledge or skill it was because of your skin.
so sad that you think that way. in any event you should give up your privileged ill-gotten gains
and go give it to someone that deserves it more than you do to i mean handle all of that guilt that you have.

me i won't because i got where i am due to my knowledge and work effort and making good choices.
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Of course I worked hard, of course it depends on my skill, and no I have no guilt. White privilege is not the same thing as white guilt. Usually it is only the racists that confuse the two.

1. The US is not the freest society on earth.

2. You are privileged to have been to have been born here, but that doesn't mean you should feel guilty about it.

3. Getting your foot in the door in an industry because you know someone or someone in your family knows someone is not ill gotten gains, its how most people get into an industry. Hardly anyone is ever hired blind for a good job. To get your first good job you probably knew someone or someone in your family did. Then subsequent jobs are usually because you developed a network of peers in that industry and someone you knew worked there. That is how it usually works. There is noting ill-gotten or illegitimate about that.

All I am arguing, and correctly arguing at that, is that even if you grow up in poverty like I did, the privilege in being white is that your network starting out is better than minority's typically is. That doesn't mean you don't have to work hard, or that you had anything handed to you in life, its just the recognition of that advantage that minorities don't have as often as we do.

I am looking around me right now at a group of IT professionals, most if not all of them making over 100k a year, and all of them knew someone at this company before they started working here. That doesn't mean they were not qualified for the job, or that they didn't work hard, or fight to get to where they are in life, but knowing someone helps.

Networks help a lot, its why black people and Hispanics have a harder time getting into some industries even with the same skills and education. They don't have that network.
 
ludin said:
then you need to give it all up for all the guilt you have.
sorry you feel guilty for being white.

I do not feel guilty nor am i am privileged in the sense that i live in the US. one of the most freest society on earth which allows anyone of any color to come here
and become a millionaire or billionaire. that is the real privilege.

Suck that nothing you did was based on your knowledge or skill it was because of your skin.
so sad that you think that way. in any event you should give up your privileged ill-gotten gains
and go give it to someone that deserves it more than you do to i mean handle all of that guilt that you have.

me i won't because i got where i am due to my knowledge and work effort and making good choices.
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If you scored a touchdown....be grateful you started on the 50 yard line
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Of course I worked hard, of course it depends on my skill, and no I have no guilt. White privilege is not the same thing as white guilt. Usually it is only the racists that confuse the two.
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Nope white privilege negates any and all knowledge or skill that you have. the only reason you got that job was because of your skin color.
No because there is no difference and only racists throw out terms like white guilt and white privilege.

1. The US is not the freest society on earth.
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then please go lives elsewhere come back and tell me. i have been all over the world.
no place i would rather live.

2. You are privileged to have been to have been born here, but that doesn't mean you should feel guilty about it.
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Your the one complaining about how privileged you are because of being white not me. you need to stop projecting.

3. Getting your foot in the door in an industry because you know someone or someone in your family knows someone is not ill gotten gains, its how most people get into an industry. Hardly anyone is ever hired blind for a good job. To get your first good job you probably knew someone or someone in your family did. Then subsequent jobs are usually because you developed a network of peers in that industry and someone you knew worked there. That is how it usually works. There is noting ill-gotten or illegitimate about that.
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No you got that job because of your skin color remember? that is what white privilege is. nothing you do is because of your skill or knowledge or anything else. it is strictly because you are white.
So yes you took a job that someone else that isn't white should have gotten because of your privilege. now you should feel guilty and give up your privilege to someone else.

All I am arguing, and correctly arguing at that, is that even if you grow up in poverty like I did, the privilege in being white is that your network starting out is better than minority's typically is. That doesn't mean you don't have to work hard, or that you had anything handed to you in life, its just the recognition of that advantage that minorities don't have as often as we do.
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so then you don't believe in white privilege you need to make up your mind. you either believe that everything you have is because of your skin color or you don't which is it.
because you are all over the place.

I am looking around me right now at a group of IT professionals, most if not all of them making over 100k a year, and all of them knew someone at this company before they started working here. That doesn't mean they were not qualified for the job, or that they didn't work hard, or fight to get to where they are in life, but knowing someone helps.
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so now you don't believe in white privilege it is through hard work , networking, knowledge and skill that makes a person successful.
well at least now you are starting to come around.

Networks help a lot, its why black people and Hispanics have a harder time getting into some industries even with the same skills and education. They don't have that network.
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bull****.

no one starts off with networks. I didn't start off with networks. i had to make my networks. i had to meet people. i had to go to conferences and other things.
it takes work. I didn't do it based on the color of my skin.
 
Logical1 said:
We keep hearing about white privilege. There is no such thing. It is just another buzz word thot up by left to divide us.

Take myself for example, some would put me in with the so call white privileged. But look at my personal history. I left the farm as a teen, went to the Navy and was taught electronics. That got me a 47 year career as an office machine and computer technician. However I was expected to be available 24/7/365, and I took may share of callouts at 3 AM in driving snow storms and other bad weather. I worked my ass off to make the machines in my territory the best running machines in the country!!!!! As a result I have a tiny slice of the American dream with a good retirement check and health ins.

Oh----------------- and zero in on that word WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So watching the democrat debates and having heard many of them talk about "white privilege" I wonder how they don't see the irony. Several black, hispanic or asian candidates on the stage refute by their presence this idea of white privilege. How did they make it to the Presidential primary stage? I bet it was hard work, effort and a constant resilience to overcome obstacles. The same things I had to do as a poor white kid. I remember having to score higher on qualifying exams because of preference given in the form of points on the test to minorities. Where was my privilege?
 
ludin said:
Nope white privilege negates any and all knowledge or skill that you have. the only reason you got that job was because of your skin color.
No because there is no difference and only racists throw out terms like white guilt and white privilege.



then please go lives elsewhere come back and tell me. i have been all over the world.
no place i would rather live.



Your the one complaining about how privileged you are because of being white not me. you need to stop projecting.



No you got that job because of your skin color remember? that is what white privilege is. nothing you do is because of your skill or knowledge or anything else. it is strictly because you are white.
So yes you took a job that someone else that isn't white should have gotten because of your privilege. now you should feel guilty and give up your privilege to someone else.



so then you don't believe in white privilege you need to make up your mind. you either believe that everything you have is because of your skin color or you don't which is it.
because you are all over the place.



so now you don't believe in white privilege it is through hard work , networking, knowledge and skill that makes a person successful.
well at least now you are starting to come around.


bull****.

no one starts off with networks. I didn't start off with networks. i had to make my networks. i had to meet people. i had to go to conferences and other things.
it takes work. I didn't do it based on the color of my skin.
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Careful your racism is really showing..
 
Logical1 said:
We keep hearing about white privilege. There is no such thing. It is just another buzz word thot up by left to divide us.

Take myself for example, some would put me in with the so call white privileged. But look at my personal history. I left the farm as a teen, went to the Navy and was taught electronics. That got me a 47 year career as an office machine and computer technician. However I was expected to be available 24/7/365, and I took may share of callouts at 3 AM in driving snow storms and other bad weather. I worked my ass off to make the machines in my territory the best running machines in the country!!!!! As a result I have a tiny slice of the American dream with a good retirement check and health ins.

Oh----------------- and zero in on that word WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good post !

It's a shame when you have a high school education,graduated from college and a good career going it's all called "white" privilege. This has now become a broken record and as you've said it divides us. liberal/Demos,gotta love em.
 
ludin said:
No isn't. unlike you i don't judge people by their skin color.
which is what white privilege is.
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No, that is not what it is at all. I explained to you how it works, and you are so damn tribal and false aggrieved that you can't even recognize that white people, even when they grow up in poverty as I did, tend to start out with better networks than black people do.
 
Jason Warfield said:
Problem: have you ever been denied a loan because you were white? Have you ever been pulled over in a nice neighborhood because you were white? Have you ever been passed up on a promotion or raise because you were white? Does security follow you in a store because you are white? If you say no to any or all of these questions....that's white privilege.

Doing hard work and making right choices are the best ways to get ahead, absolutely. But there are things that you don't have to worry about; if you are white, do well for yourself and have a nice car...and driving next to you is black man who also worked hard and did well for himself and has a nice car, but the odds are heavily in his favor of getting pulled over for no reason because the cop will see a white man driving a nice car and think nothing of it, but in his/her mind, the black man driving the nice car surely must be a drug dealer so he gets pulled over....that's white privilege.
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I think what you have is called paranoia.
 
Jason Warfield said:
Problem: have you ever been denied a loan because you were white? Have you ever been pulled over in a nice neighborhood because you were white? Have you ever been passed up on a promotion or raise because you were white? Does security follow you in a store because you are white? If you say no to any or all of these questions....that's white privilege.

Doing hard work and making right choices are the best ways to get ahead, absolutely. But there are things that you don't have to worry about; if you are white, do well for yourself and have a nice car...and driving next to you is black man who also worked hard and did well for himself and has a nice car, but the odds are heavily in his favor of getting pulled over for no reason because the cop will see a white man driving a nice car and think nothing of it, but in his/her mind, the black man driving the nice car surely must be a drug dealer so he gets pulled over....that's white privilege.
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I've been denied a loan because I didn't have a good enough job to and not enough collateral to repay it in the terms presented. I've been hasseled in a white affluent neighborhood with a buddy at night because his old clunker looked out of place as we sat outside a girlfriends house waiting on them to come out. I've been passed over for a promotion which included a raise because I refuse to kiss butt for the sake of somebodies ego. I've been followed in a store by security because I drove my old truck up to the front got out in my old jeans with some holes in them and went in to get gift on my way home from a job in a warehouse. So I don't know much about white privilege. I worked hard in school made good grades, earned a scholarship and got an education. Parlayed that into several better job positions by doing a good job and keeping my nose clean.
 
I'm white and grew up in a divorced household. I had a pretty bad speech impediment and was made fun of for that as well as being one of the poorer kids. I bought into the stuff about being dumb and not too worthy of anything better. I was sent to lots of 'reading classes" and "speech therapy" that didn't take too well until I finally figured out it was about me. How hard I worked and believed in myself to change my station. I beat my speech impediment, became a good reader and worked to get an education when I realized that was my way to a better life than my divorces mother. I'm sorry for those who believe someone else controls their life and sit around and wait for someone else to fix it. I ended up with a college scholarship out of high school, graduated college, worked some crappy jobs to support me and my wife while we finished college. Made a few connections that helped me later get a better job, and then worked hard and stayed out of trouble and continued to get a little better job and a little better job. Here's a few other things I learned that maybe you can pass along to help others. 1. Graduate high school. Work hard make good grades, earn an academic scholarship, there are lots of them, for academics and for ethic group and association in certain groups. 2. Don't get pregnant out of wedlock. Raising kids is hard, getting started in a career is hard. Its even harder if you have children out of wedlock. 3. When you get out of school, get a job. Whatever one you can get to start with. Work hard, stay out of trouble and do what it takes to work you r way up.
John Wayne the western actor had a good saying. "Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid".
 
beancounter said:
I think part of the problem is the choice of words. When a lot of people hear the word Privilege, they think of people who were born into wealth.

Perhaps a better word would have been advantage.
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Thank you. Always thought that was a dumb choice of words. Divides the non-privileged. Once heard a person say she was going to exercise her white privilege by hailing a taxi in Manhattan. It's advantage. Privileged people ride limos.
 
Logical1 said:
We keep hearing about white privilege. There is no such thing. It is just another buzz word thot up by left to divide us.

Take myself for example, some would put me in with the so call white privileged. But look at my personal history. I left the farm as a teen, went to the Navy and was taught electronics. That got me a 47 year career as an office machine and computer technician. However I was expected to be available 24/7/365, and I took may share of callouts at 3 AM in driving snow storms and other bad weather. I worked my ass off to make the machines in my territory the best running machines in the country!!!!! As a result I have a tiny slice of the American dream with a good retirement check and health ins.

Oh----------------- and zero in on that word WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wow that was a huge failure LMAO
you just proved you have no idea about the topic you want to discuss.

what did you post, that you think has to do with "white privileged" and shows it doesnt exist??

:popcorn2:
 
ludin said:
white privilege is just the next round of the white guilt trip. You should feel guilty for being white.
sorry i don't. I have worked for everything i have. I took the means and the processes and opportunities that were offered to me.
i made good decision while some of my friends didn't make good decisions. they were white as well.

making good decisions with your life has no bearing on skin color. I am at the point i am going to sell my home and either buy or build a new one.
i love that i have made the choices in life to get me to this point.

YouTube

destroys the white privilege myth.
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nothing you posted "destroys the white privileged myth" nothing
also what does white privileged have to do with "making good decisions"
 
ludin said:
No isn't. unlike you i don't judge people by their skin color. which is what white privilege is.
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wait what? :shock:

did you just say white privileged is racism and its judging people by their skin color????:lamo

wow and i thought the OP was a complete failure . . . that made my night!
 
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