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Guarenteed Losers in 2020 I'm sorry for Dems

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When I was over on Yabberz I spoke a lot about the political bifurcation of morality. As a lifelong Democrat who voted for Trump I posted for wealth redistribution and against abortion, GLBT rights, euthanasia, gun control. After Bernie's loss to Hillary I spoke a lot about the need for the Democrats to conduct an autopsy. They still need to do that.

The anti-liberal moment - Vox
 
jondo said:
When I was over on Yabberz I spoke a lot about the political bifurcation of morality. As a lifelong Democrat who voted for Trump I posted for wealth redistribution and against abortion, GLBT rights, euthanasia, gun control. After Bernie's loss to Hillary I spoke a lot about the need for the Democrats to conduct an autopsy. They still need to do that.

The anti-liberal moment - Vox
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You were obviously not a Democrat and are just saying that to give your points more legitimacy.
 
MovingPictures said:
You were obviously not a Democrat and are just saying that to give your points more legitimacy.
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Ask Mike or Melissa Horton who ran the Yabberz site or check out their new site on Medium. I do not post on the new site but they would remember me
 
I'm sorry for Tweety cultists. They are head over heels for a squirrel pelt wearing moron who paints himself orange and shouts stupid things.
 
Helix said:
I'm sorry for Tweety cultists. They are head over heels for a squirrel pelt wearing moron who paints himself orange and shouts stupid things.
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I guess I should be against that too
 
How does a "life-long democrat" ever vote for Donald Trump?
 
jondo said:
When I was over on Yabberz I spoke a lot about the political bifurcation of morality. As a lifelong Democrat who voted for Trump I posted for wealth redistribution and against abortion, GLBT rights, euthanasia, gun control. After Bernie's loss to Hillary I spoke a lot about the need for the Democrats to conduct an autopsy. They still need to do that.

The anti-liberal moment - Vox
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Interesting article. As it is quite lengthy I didn't take time to read the whole thing at this time--got a lot of irons in the fire this morning--but I did pick up on the theme that the current neo-liberalism that is modern American liberalism is in fact not at all liberal. Where you find the closest manifestations of liberalism, i.e. the classical liberalism or libertarianism of the Founders, is mostly in modern American conservatism.

And I agree with the author that that neoliberalism we are seeing manifested in America these days is dedicated to tear down religious faith, family, fathers, personal responsibility and initiative, and create an obedient politically correct society united in a group think and sense of purpose.

What I think the author missed is the group think and sense of purpose, i.e. duty to conform and submit to the duty and sense of moral righteousness to be a new socioeconomic utopia they fuzzily image but can neither define nor defend, is a dangerous thing.

The author missed that the phenomenon has always before and will again accomplish a total ubmission of the people to an all powerful oligarchy/government that they think will create that utopia. But it will result in a socialist fascist government. The people have been able to oppose few such governments without serious bloodshed.

It is scary.
 
MovingPictures said:
You were obviously not a Democrat and are just saying that to give your points more legitimacy.
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Saying you're a former Democrat surely isn't an automatic assumption of legitimacy, lol.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Interesting article. As it is quite lengthy I didn't take time to read the whole thing at this time--got a lot of irons in the fire this morning--but I did pick up on the theme that the current neo-liberalism that is modern American liberalism is in fact not at all liberal. Where you find the closest manifestations of liberalism, i.e. the classical liberalism or libertarianism of the Founders, is mostly in modern American conservatism.

And I agree with the author that that neoliberalism we are seeing manifested in America these days is dedicated to tear down religious faith, family, fathers, personal responsibility and initiative, and create an obedient politically correct society united in a group think and sense of purpose.

What I think the author missed is the group think and sense of purpose, i.e. duty to conform and submit to the duty and sense of moral righteousness to be a new socioeconomic utopia they fuzzily image but can neither define nor defend, is a dangerous thing.

The author missed that the phenomenon has always before and will again accomplish a total ubmission of the people to an all powerful oligarchy/government that they think will create that utopia. But it will result in a socialist fascist government. The people have been able to oppose few such governments without serious bloodshed.

It is scary.
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I favor restoring religious faith, family, fathers, personal responsibility and initiative and believe the Dems need to recognize that an autopsy is necessary before they can appreciably advance wealth redistribution.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Interesting article. As it is quite lengthy I didn't take time to read the whole thing at this time--got a lot of irons in the fire this morning--but I did pick up on the theme that the current neo-liberalism that is modern American liberalism is in fact not at all liberal. Where you find the closest manifestations of liberalism, i.e. the classical liberalism or libertarianism of the Founders, is mostly in modern American conservatism.

And I agree with the author that that neoliberalism we are seeing manifested in America these days is dedicated to tear down religious faith, family, fathers, personal responsibility and initiative, and create an obedient politically correct society united in a group think and sense of purpose.

What I think the author missed is the group think and sense of purpose, i.e. duty to conform and submit to the duty and sense of moral righteousness to be a new socioeconomic utopia they fuzzily image but can neither define nor defend, is a dangerous thing.

The author missed that the phenomenon has always before and will again accomplish a total ubmission of the people to an all powerful oligarchy/government that they think will create that utopia. But it will result in a socialist fascist government. The people have been able to oppose few such governments without serious bloodshed.

It is scary.
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LOL Trump is the power grabbing authoritarian but you are scared of liberals? Even the most radical of the left believe in democracy. Be scared of the Right wing authoritarian leaders who have taken over country after country in the last decade. The basis of neo-liberalism is the embrace of the free market as part of the freedoms of the individual. That is where it has failed.

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But there is scant persuasive evidence that America’s young left-wing activists are turning against free speech or other core liberal values. The argument also betrays a misunderstanding of the relationship between identity politics and Marxism, as well as an underestimation of the degree to which right-wing anti-liberalism has become a part of the modern Republican Party.
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I am more concerned about the Liberals as well
 
jondo said:
I favor restoring religious faith, family, fathers, personal responsibility and initiative and believe the Dems need to recognize that an autopsy is necessary before they can appreciably advance wealth redistribution.
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We need to teach honest and responsible basic economic principles in the public schools and in the universities again. Wealth cannot be increased by dividing it. Nor is wealth inequality remedied much or for long by dividing wealth and generally results in more exploitation of the poor and more power transferred to the wealthy and the poor becoming even more poor.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Trump is the power grabbing authoritarian but you are scared of liberals? Even the most radical of the left believe in democracy. Be scared of the Right wing authoritarian leaders who have taken over country after country in the last decade. The basis of neo-liberalism is the embrace of the free market as part of the freedoms of the individual. That is where it has failed.

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From my post:
. . .What I think the author missed is the group think and sense of purpose, i.e. duty to conform and submit to the duty and sense of moral righteousness to be a new socioeconomic utopia they fuzzily image but can neither define nor defend, is a dangerous thing.

The author missed that the phenomenon has always before and will again accomplish a total submission of the people to an all powerful oligarchy/government that they think will create that utopia. But it will result in a socialist fascist government. The people have been able to oppose few such governments without serious bloodshed. . .​

Young people on the left will say they believe in free speech. But what the author missed is that free speech translates as free speech for THEM only. All others must be silenced, punished, banned, ostracized, and if necessary destroyed if they speak anything other than what the left says they must believe, teach, or express.
 
AlbqOwl said:
From my post:
. . .What I think the author missed is the group think and sense of purpose, i.e. duty to conform and submit to the duty and sense of moral righteousness to be a new socioeconomic utopia they fuzzily image but can neither define nor defend, is a dangerous thing.

The author missed that the phenomenon has always before and will again accomplish a total submission of the people to an all powerful oligarchy/government that they think will create that utopia. But it will result in a socialist fascist government. The people have been able to oppose few such governments without serious bloodshed. . .​

Young people on the left will say they believe in free speech. But what the author missed is that free speech translates as free speech for THEM only. All others must be silenced, punished, banned, ostracized, and if necessary destroyed if they speak anything other than what the left says they must believe, teach, or express.
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It is not the left that is assaulting the free media and creating "alternate facts" when the truth is distasteful. That is the true danger to our freedom. Look what as happened to Venezuela, they now have a Russian backed right wing junta controlling their future and Trump sits by and twiddles his thumbs. The truth is that fascism is a right wing phenomena as are all dictatorships no matter what they claim.
 
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iguanaman said:
It is not the left that is assaulting the free media and creating "alternate facts" when the truth is distasteful. That is the true danger to our freedom. Look what as happened to Venezuela, they now have a Russian backed right wing junta controlling their future and Trump sits by and twiddles his thumbs. The truth is that fascism is a right wing phenomena as are all dictatorships no matter what they claim.
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The word 'fascism' comes from the Latin 'fasces, an object of wooden rods bound together by usually red straps and including an axe head. The wooden rod represents the weak individual whose sole contribution is to provide strength to the State. The axe representes the State and its ability to defend the state.

The common and most prevalent characteristic of fascism is nationalism rooted in adoration of and unwavering obedience to the state. The number one objective of fascism is the absolute authority and power of the state. Toward that end, the state controls the means of production, the media, and what the people are allowed to express of what they think, believe, or promote. Any contrary thought/speech/belief is to be suppressed by any means necessary.

In its extreme, the fascist state will dictate what property the people may own, how much of what they earn they can keep, and how they are expected to organize their societies and live their lives.

All that that is 100% antithesis to any attitudes or promotion of the right. What I just described is leftism in its most extreme form.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Interesting article. As it is quite lengthy I didn't take time to read the whole thing at this time--got a lot of irons in the fire this morning--but I did pick up on the theme that the current neo-liberalism that is modern American liberalism is in fact not at all liberal. Where you find the closest manifestations of liberalism, i.e. the classical liberalism or libertarianism of the Founders, is mostly in modern American conservatism.

And I agree with the author that that neoliberalism we are seeing manifested in America these days is dedicated to tear down religious faith, family, fathers, personal responsibility and initiative, and create an obedient politically correct society united in a group think and sense of purpose.

What I think the author missed is the group think and sense of purpose, i.e. duty to conform and submit to the duty and sense of moral righteousness to be a new socioeconomic utopia they fuzzily image but can neither define nor defend, is a dangerous thing.

The author missed that the phenomenon has always before and will again accomplish a total ubmission of the people to an all powerful oligarchy/government that they think will create that utopia. But it will result in a socialist fascist government. The people have been able to oppose few such governments without serious bloodshed.

It is scary.
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That's funny. Blame the liberals for the behavior of our three times married president. Yeah it's the libs tearing apart the fabric of america. The right has been singing this song for decades while it's themselves who continue to deceive their own base and steal as much as possible when in office.
 
bongsaway said:
That's funny. Blame the liberals for the behavior of our three times married president. Yeah it's the libs tearing apart the fabric of america. The right has been singing this song for decades while it's themselves who continue to deceive their own base and steal as much as possible when in office.
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Well you will be proud that I am giving you the blue ribbon for the most non sequitur post of the day. Do have a great evening.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Well you will be proud that I am giving you the blue ribbon for the most non sequitur post of the day. Do have a great evening.
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Wow, I wish my local cops would follow your signature. I spent a month in jail and fifteen thousand dollars on a lawyer because of an accusation that was tossed out of court.
 
~ Today's "progressive" liberal is not actually liberalism - it more closely resembles communism in a colorful cellophane wrapper that is easy to see through ... if you look.
 
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