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We Need to Talk about Joe Biden

Moderate Right said:
I think it is actually quite funny that while Trump was the worst nominee in the history of the country in 2016, with Hillary running a nose behind in second place, we might have two identicals running in 2020 in Trump and Biden. You really can't tell them apart.
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I can. Just person to person, I always liked Biden and identify with one of his life experiences. I never liked Trump.
 
Moderate Right said:
I think it is actually quite funny that while Trump was the worst nominee in the history of the country in 2016, with Hillary running a nose behind in second place, we might have two identicals running in 2020 in Trump and Biden. You really can't tell them apart.
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Hilarious that you can't differentiate. Biden the man who was never right on any substantive issue (counseled not to send in Seal Team 6). Biden the gaffe king. Joe, "details don't matter" Biden.

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smallvoice said:
and that coming from a party that could only offer up another Clinton? I'll take Trump any day over Hilarity. If you loved her so much, RUN HER AGAIN, and quitcherbitchin' about Trump. YOU are why we have him.
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I'll take literally any functioning adult over Trump. I didn't nominate Hillary, so I won't be taking responsibility for it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'll take literally any functioning adult over Trump. I didn't nominate Hillary, so I won't be taking responsibility for it.
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and that exactly how we got Trump, and we are infinitely better off than the alternative.
 
Tangmo said:
Conservatives insist on having a republic rather than a democracy. And yes the USA is a republic and a democracy. Conservatives absolutely prefer the republic however.

Russia is a republic, so is China a republic, Iran, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Argentina, Chile, Iraq, North Korea and so on are republics among many other countries.

Conservatives want the beloved republic everywhere but in the USA most of all while they subsume democracy and the democratic aspects of the USA to the glory of the republic of the Conservatives. Conserving the republic while trying to downplay or dismiss the democratic aspects of it in USA. Conservatives are set on this and they'll go to the wall to get it if they believe that might be what it takes to get it absolutely as they want it. The republic of the pre Enlightenment Conservatives which is virtually all of 'em. The USA Constitution being predicated in the Enlightenment as it is.
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On the contrary; it's not that Conservatives are wary of Democracy and keenly aware or it's dangers; it's that the Founders were. That is why nothing happens democratically at the Federal level, and few things happen democratically at the State level (although they likely would not have liked how much we do that, nowadays, either).

As for the supposed Wall, I have no idea how you've come to the conclusion that it will A) allow us to keep the Republic and B) that that's a bad thing.
 
cpwill said:
On the contrary; it's not that Conservatives are wary of Democracy and keenly aware or it's dangers; it's that the Founders were. That is why nothing happens democratically at the Federal level, and few things happen democratically at the State level (although they likely would not have liked how much we do that, nowadays, either).

As for the supposed Wall, I have no idea how you've come to the conclusion that it will A) allow us to keep the Republic and B) that that's a bad thing.
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If you mean that Republicans are"keenly aware" that their views are in the minority and risk oblivion if Democracy wins I can agree. You seem to think Presidents for life are preferable and that will never fly here. Just becasue 250 years ago Democracy was seen as "dangerous" and new does not mean it is true now or even was ever true.
 
smallvoice said:
Exactly, since you failed to provide a better alternative, and the proof is in the performance we are getting.
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Yes we have the least popular President in history and for good reason. No one could be as incompetent and divisive or as destructive to our place in the world as Trump. There is no doubt that he will be the worst President in history too.
 
iguanaman said:
If you mean that Republicans are"keenly aware" that their views are in the minority and risk oblivion if Democracy wins I can agree. You seem to think Presidents for life are preferable and that will never fly here. Just becasue 250 years ago Democracy was seen as "dangerous" and new does not mean it is true now or even was ever true.
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Human nature does not change; democracy is as dangerous for our time as it was for the ancient Greeks. Nor do I have any idea where you pulled that "President For Life" nonsense from.

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iguanaman said:
Yes we have the least popular President in history and for good reason. No one could be as incompetent and divisive or as destructive to our place in the world as Trump. There is no doubt that he will be the worst President in history too.
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Popular? Who cares, at least he is not trying to make "fundamental changes" in America.
 
smallvoice said:
Popular? Who cares, at least he is not trying to make "fundamental changes" in America.
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LOL He is weakening us abroad and at home. Never has such a loser been in this office.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL He is weakening us abroad and at home. Never has such a loser been in this office.
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You know what they say about opinions and a**holes, everybody has one, and they all stink.
 
Tangmo said:
It's agreed then that Trump hasn't any defense.

Your posts confirm that Trump is indefensible. Your posts among those of so many others over there. So attack and lash out instead at the critics who provide the critique that leaves Trump indefensible.

Trump however does it to himself. We over here just take note of it and comment on it. It's you guys who have nothing so say in defense of Trump. Don't get me wrong, cause you guys have a lot to say. Just nothing in defense of Trump or nothing in defense of Trump that can be accepted as sound, sensible, reasonable.
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I never said as such, because you're post are full of the same attacks that never have the substance to actually stand up to even the slightest scrutiny.

Trump is far more defensible than your flaccid attempts make it appear. But we never really need to actually stand up to any of these claims from your side, because they're most hollow, morally withered, and extremely redundant by the time they ever breach your little echo chamber.

How about this, can you muster any proof for any of the crap that is routinely said about Trump?
 
cpwill said:
On the contrary; it's not that Conservatives are wary of Democracy and keenly aware or it's dangers; it's that the Founders were. That is why nothing happens democratically at the Federal level, and few things happen democratically at the State level (although they likely would not have liked how much we do that, nowadays, either).

As for the supposed Wall, I have no idea how you've come to the conclusion that it will A) allow us to keep the Republic and B) that that's a bad thing.
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You guys on the Right can't have your passion to keep the republic only.

We're gonna keep both the republic nature of the government and the democracy core of it while continuing to reform and expand on each.

We over here like the Bill of Rights and we especially like Amendments 13 and 14, but not only those. Other amendments are central to democracy and a republic together. They're inseparable, our republic and our democracy. Contrary to the long standing Conservative passions, we can't have one without the other. So you guys will just have to resign yourselves to still having democracy with your longed for and cherished republic only. We got 'em both and we're keeping 'em both.
 
Oborosen said:
I never said as such, because you're post are full of the same attacks that never have the substance to actually stand up to even the slightest scrutiny.

Trump is far more defensible than your flaccid attempts make it appear. But we never really need to actually stand up to any of these claims from your side, because they're most hollow, morally withered, and extremely redundant by the time they ever breach your little echo chamber.

How about this, can you muster any proof for any of the crap that is routinely said about Trump?
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I haven't any reason to do that.

Number one I'd be writing the post all day.

Number two is that you'd refute nothing of any such post.

This is because your dogma of posting is to attack the poster. Almost all the Trump Fanboys take the approach. That's because there's no defending Trump. It's so bad for you guys and Trump that even Perry Mason couldn't get Trump off the hook or keep him out of jail, prison....the nothing prosecutor Ham Burger would finally have his big day in court too.

Bob Newhart played a psychiatrist on tv and I'd take what he says over any Right Wing shrink who said he sees nothing from his windowless office chair where he sits snoozing next to the nightlight to conserve energy. That's opposite Honest Abe who read at his log cabin fireplace as the snow fell outside then went on to preserve the Union. Trump is the only potus whose focused purpose is to destroy the Union. That is indefensible indeed. And then some.
 
Tangmo said:
I haven't any reason to do that.

Number one I'd be writing the post all day.

Number two is that you'd refute nothing of any such post.

This is because your dogma of posting is to attack the poster. Almost all the Trump Fanboys take the approach. That's because there's no defending Trump. It's so bad for you guys and Trump that even Perry Mason couldn't get Trump off the hook or keep him out of jail, prison....the nothing prosecutor Ham Burger would finally have his big day in court too.

Bob Newhart played a psychiatrist on tv and I'd take what he says over any Right Wing shrink who said he sees nothing from his windowless office chair where he sits snoozing next to the nightlight to conserve energy. That's opposite Honest Abe who read at his log cabin fireplace as the snow fell outside then went on to preserve the Union. Trump is the only potus whose focused purpose is to destroy the Union. That is indefensible indeed. And then some.
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You're still just yammering about nothing importing at this point Tangmo.

If you want to keep making personal attacks and petty insults, that's fine. It's no skin off my back.
 
Oborosen said:
You're still just yammering about nothing importing at this point Tangmo.

If you want to keep making personal attacks and petty insults, that's fine. It's no skin off my back.
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Okay, very good then and let's go. Although the following is a calm analysis rather than "personal" attacks and the "insults" you could seem to be begging for or at the least inviting ever so hopefully.

I believe you are here because you believe your college degree in psychology and your practice of psychology self elevates you to a superior status over the posters you focus on and attack, rather than to discuss the issues. You're not much addressing the thread and topic which is Joe Biden while you instead focus almost entirely on posters -- one by one and over time.

If trying to game the posters psychologically to include the domain would be your purpose then you're a fail. If you're here to defend Trump that too would be a fail because you refer to Trump in passing only most of the time that you do speak of Trump, or of an issue, while you focus instead on efforts to denigrate each poster you choose to address or respond to.

It's apparently your game to believe you play the Putin PR image of chessmaster vs the unwashed masses as you have extended your psychology practice to putative patients here, ie, posters. All of it suggests a cynical scam run by an egocentric practitioner of the mind that happens to be over there on the Right. You haven't succeeded -- nor would you succeed -- because you can't muster enough power culturally or intellectually to realize your egotistical purpose and eccentric psychological game playing.
 
Oborosen said:
You're still just yammering about nothing importing at this point Tangmo.

If you want to keep making personal attacks and petty insults, that's fine. It's no skin off my back.
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That is all Tangmo normally has... Have pity on him. He knows not what he writes....
 
Fledermaus said:
That is all Tangmo normally has... Have pity on him. He knows not what he writes....
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Ooo, so if he keeps doing this you thin we might get to see that pillar of salt thing come into play?

Wait, this is the internet... pillar of trolls maybe.. crap would just be silly... maybe monopoly money
 
Okay a few points

1. Biden is not especially honest, so detractors do have a leg to stand on.
2. Trump is singularly dishonest so Trump supporters do not.
3. This should disqualify him from running, but he'd still be a better president than Trump.
4. Sanders, Warren or a host of others would be better presidents than Biden.

The time for the likes of Biden has passed. But if he is all they have against Trump, better than nothing
 
uptower said:
Okay a few points

1. Biden is not especially honest, so detractors do have a leg to stand on.
2. Trump is singularly dishonest so Trump supporters do not.
3. This should disqualify him from running, but he'd still be a better president than Trump.
4. Sanders, Warren or a host of others would be better presidents than Biden.

The time for the likes of Biden has passed. But if he is all they have against Trump, better than nothing
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Nothing against the guy, but I don't think Biden has it in him to even make it through being president.

I'd at lest like to see him get that hemorrhage in his eye looked at, and come back to us with the results. Because if he tries to hide it like Hillary did with the weird coughing, and the falling over. It could only hurt him more than it already has.

There are people now who think he isn't even going to make it to the election because of this eye issues had, not to mention going through this sundowner condition as well.
 
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