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Evangelicals Hate Trump's Vulgar Language

bongsaway said:
I had more than enough religious doctrine when I was younger. Now that I can use my own common sense, I don't believe in any god or religion. That help?
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Ok. Why care about whether 3 people who, may or may not, be evangelicals think about vulgar language?

Everyone applies some kind pro and con filter to ideas and people they support.

Why is this one involving 3 people so important?
 
Evangelicals may not like his goddammits, but many sure do like his racist talk and actions, he's not going to lose any votes over a mild potty mouth.

Among political evangelicals, at one ideological pole stand those who purport to see a seamless connection between their agenda and that of the current chief executive. “I think evangelicals have found their dream president,” Jerry Falwell Jr. gushed last May. An oft-heard variation on this view is that Trump may be a sinner, but he’s one chosen by God for a providential mission.

But these sympathetic critics fail to grapple with the idea that Trump’s racism and misogyny might actually resonate with the evangelical base, which happens to constitute about 35 percent of the GOP coalition. In fact, racism and intolerance are more woven into the fabric of evangelicalism than these Christian critics care to accept.

The history of American evangelicalism is intensely racially charged. The persistent approval for Trump among white evangelicals ought to prompt far more critical self-reflection within the evangelical community than we’ve seen so far.

Evangelicals’ tenacious affection for Donald Trump is not a bug driven by expediency. Instead, it reflects defining features of American evangelicalism that become clearer when we examine the historical record. Doing so reveals that when white conservative evangelicals feel threatened by cultural change, the old demons of racism and misogyny, which lurk at the heart of the American evangelical tradition, return with a vengeance. Trump is just another chapter in that story.

One version of a familiar defense of evangelicals goes like this: Evangelicals held their nose and voted for Trump despite his obvious flaws because they needed the deal he offered. They felt besieged by a swift-moving culture that, under President Obama, insulted their faith and threatened to rob them of their religious liberties, forcing them to do things like bake cakes for gay couples and create gender-neutral bathrooms in public places.

In a fearful rage, evangelicals rebranded Trump for strategic purposes, seeing him as a champion in a nostalgic fight for a bygone America and as a tool to achieve tactical wins, in particular the appointment of an anti-abortion Supreme Court justice.

In this take, evangelical Trump support is purely transactional, not necessarily an endorsement of his values. Although they “vastly overdid it,” says Stephen Mansfield, the author of Choosing Donald Trump: God, Anger, Hope, and Why Christian Conservatives Supported Him, they moved toward Trump “mainly because they felt traumatized in the wake of the Obama years and terrified by the possibility of a Hillary Clinton presidency.” Trump did activate the (white, rural) “Bubba vote,” Mansfield observes, and evangelicals’ tolerance of his racism is “all very questionable.”
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The racial demons that help explain evangelical support for Trump - Vox
 
ocean515 said:
Ok. Why care about whether 3 people who, may or may not, be evangelicals think about vulgar language?

Everyone applies some kind pro and con filter to ideas and people they support.

Why is this one involving 3 people so important?
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To me it's total bull****, meaningless.
 
tres borrachos said:
Tell your mother I love her for giving the world you, but Trump was not only pro-choice until about 10 minutes before declaring his candidacy - he is also on record supporting partial-birth abortion. I think even Hillary didn't do that.
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:kissy: Thanks, luv.

And I did tell her. Tres, I didn’t even know she had voted. No one told me, and they told her, “Don’t tell Supa that you voted for Trump. She will lose it.” And I did. My mother was 70 years old, and registered, AND VOTED, for the first time in her life - for Trump.

I asked her why, and she was, “wah wah, I voted for him because he was anybody but Hillary.” I then asked her what she had against Hillary, and as she named off each bullet point, I showed her how Trump was for the exact same thing. I explained that he is just a better liar, and a better snake oil salesman, and she bought it. She’s sorry now, so there is that. She is one who will never vote for him again.

I told her from now on, talk to me about candidates. Ask me - not your religious church friends, not my Fox News infested uncles. Talk to me. I said I would give her the 100% truth, as best I can, based on research, on who was the better candidate for her. She said don’t bother. She said she will never vote again. :(
 
Superfly said:
:kissy: Thanks, luv.

And I did tell her. Tres, I didn’t even know she had voted. No one told me, and they told her, “Don’t tell Supa that you voted for Trump. She will lose it.” And I did. My mother was 70 years old, and registered, AND VOTED, for the first time in her life - for Trump.

I asked her why, and she was, “wah wah, I voted for him because he was anybody but Hillary.” I then asked her what she had against Hillary, and as she named off each bullet point, I showed her how Trump was for the exact same thing. I explained that he is just a better liar, and a better snake oil salesman, and she bought it. She’s sorry now, so there is that. She is one who will never vote for him again.

I told her from now on, talk to me about candidates. Ask me - not your religious church friends, not my Fox News infested uncles. Talk to me. I said I would give her the 100% truth, as best I can, based on research, on who was the better candidate for her. She said don’t bother. She said she will never vote again. :(
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Because she produced you, I will cut her a lot of slack.

Her church friends are morons in their told her to vote for that vulgar lying fraud in the Oval Office today.
 
tres borrachos said:
Because she produced you, I will cut her a lot of slack.

Her church friends are morons in their told her to vote for that vulgar lying fraud in the Oval Office today.
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It was either her church friends or my crazy uncles. She doesn’t watch the news, doesn’t read the paper. Oh - my sister was also a Trumpet, until the Kavanaugh thing, so who knows? Maybe my low information voter sister told her she should vote for him. :shrug:
 
Lovebug said:
It is very upsetting to hear such language, but Trump is merely reflecting our very decorum. Listen, read, look around.
If you don't like language like that, live by example. That goes especially for Christians who put forth hateful and unbecoming rhetoric. It reflects.
Trump, a Christian he is not, nor a church elder. He was elected for political office, not a moral leader.
But again, I so wish he, we, would take a deep breath and calm down, and think of the impact of our words and deeds.
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As head of state, Trump is a moral leader, just not a good one.
 
ocean515 said:
Well no OlNate.

This propaganda piece is designed to trigger liberals. One Senator and three people who called him, and that means all Evangelicals are upset.

But I can see by your post the OP has elicited the desired effect.

Moths to a flame.
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Where is the propaganda in this piece?
 
What, are they going to leave and back Sanford instead?

Look, it's nice that some are doing this. But unless it translates into votes AND as long as they didn't back him despite what they knew before, it doesn't mean all that much.




It's sort of like if I heavily criticize the person who becomes the Dem candidate, then vote for that person. Yeah, I really might personally mean my criticisms. But if I vote for them, what pragmatically does it mean for the country? Don't I own my vote?
 
devildavid said:
Where is the propaganda in this piece?
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What proof is there the three people reported to have called this Senator were Evangelical? What proof is there that they were Republicans? What proof they even supported President Trump?

Please post anything the Politico story that provides that proof.
 
ocean515 said:
What proof is there the three people reported to have called this Senator were Evangelical? What proof is there that they were Republicans? What proof they even supported President Trump?

Please post anything the Politico story that provides that proof.
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Politico - Media Bias/Fact Check
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Neither seem to have much self control and both are extremely gaffe prone.
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The DNC seems very bent on repeating 2016. They are scared of another Mcgovern or Mondale so they will pick a much disliked centrist that wont excite the voter turnout.
 
Trump's committed adultery MANY times, he's slept with other men's wifes, he does NOT keep the Sabbath Holy, he lies, he steals, and he worships his money and wealth above all else, including God.. That's just the Commandants he's broke. Add in he's said he's never asked God for forgiveness because he doesn't 'need to'' not asking for forgiveness is one of the biggest Christian no-nos there is.

But it took him taking God's name in vain to turn some evangelicals against him? Wow!!
 
OlNate said:
Probably not...but here's hoping they at least help choose a different Republican leader in the primaries.
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There won't be a different Republican leader capable of winning in the primary.
 
bomberfox said:
The DNC seems very bent on repeating 2016. They are scared of another Mcgovern or Mondale so they will pick a much disliked centrist that wont excite the voter turnout.
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The DNC has less influence over demorat primary voters than the MSM does and, IMHO, the MSM would prefer a leftist to a centrist. The reality is that 'independent' voters in a few "swing states" will decide the POTUS general election - who "excites the base" matters only in the primary election phase.
 
ocean515 said:
What proof is there the three people reported to have called this Senator were Evangelical? What proof is there that they were Republicans? What proof they even supported President Trump?

Please post anything the Politico story that provides that proof.
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So, you couldn't find any.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Trump's committed adultery MANY times, he's slept with other men's wifes, he does NOT keep the Sabbath Holy, he lies, he steals, and he worships his money and wealth above all else, including God.. That's just the Commandants he's broke. Add in he's said he's never asked God for forgiveness because he doesn't 'need to'' not asking for forgiveness is one of the biggest Christian no-nos there is.

But it took him taking God's name in vain to turn some evangelicals against him? Wow!!
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Evangelicals are very often very strange.
 
ocean515 said:
What are you talking about?

Obviously you didn't find any proof to support the claims made in the Politico story.

Don't point to me for your failures.
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Still couldn't find any, eh?
 
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