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Family separation...

They drowned because the current administration closed legal ports of entry and the danger of staying in Mexico was apparent. Do you know why parents put their kids in danger to leave where they are? Because it is more dangerous to stay where they are.
 
Drawdown said:
I don't eat chicken nuggets. If you have evidence that MS13 has cornered the nugget jobs, you should be talking to the FBI, not me about it. And we don't need them here.
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Didn't say MS-13 had the jobs, said undocumented immigrants had them. Don't let the actual words stop you from making your point..
 
Mason66 said:
So because of that, if true, you think every person in that country can enter the US and set up shop with no checks as to who they are or what they have done?
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No, just correcting a misinformed talking point.
 
mrjurrs said:
They drowned because the current administration closed legal ports of entry and the danger of staying in Mexico was apparent. Do you know why parents put their kids in danger to leave where they are? Because it is more dangerous to stay where they are.
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There was no danger to staying in Mexico, there just wasn't a free flow of money.
 
mrjurrs said:
Didn't say MS-13 had the jobs, said undocumented immigrants had them. Don't let the actual words stop you from making your point..
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I was speaking to MS13 in the post you interjected yourself in. If you are not aware of the context of what was being discussed, perhaps you should take the time to read instead of jumping to assumptions. And we don't need them here.
 
Mason66 said:
In this particular case the man's mother said he was not fleeing danger, but wanted to make more money in the US.

This case should not be brought up as an example of somebody desperately trying to get into the US to better their life.
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I had not read that, but the suggestion he was fleeing gangs. Either way, whatever happened had nothing to do with the US or its border patrol, yet ICE/Trump/The US was being painted as the bad guys over this idiot's decisions in Mexico over which nobody but him had any control.
 
mrjurrs said:
...and in our names, America continues to separate children from their parents. Did anyone ever agree that the price our country should pay to deport undocumented immigrants includes children in a plant parking lot waiting for their parents who will never come out, or the drowning death of a father and his baby girl on the shores of our land of the free and the home of the brave? Is part of the price the creation of a generation of kids that will suffer from the complete range of mental illnesses we KNOW result from the very treatment young children receive in our immigration system.

Immigration is a political issue. Migration is a Human Rights issue. Do something.
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Yes....do something!!!! Like change the laws to keep them from coming in the first place!!!

Like.....make it a go-to-prison offense for employers who knowingly hiring an illegal alien.....no jobs for them??? They wont come!

If they are going to come here....do it legally......apply.....wait your turn.....get a green card...
 
Mason66 said:
There was no danger to staying in Mexico, there just wasn't a free flow of money.
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First, your statement is incorrect in terms of danger. Did your immigrant ancestors come here for free money?
 
Lucky 1 said:
Yes....do something!!!! Like change the laws to keep them from coming in the first place!!!

Like.....make it a go-to-prison offense for employers who knowingly hiring an illegal alien.....no jobs for them??? They wont come!

If they are going to come here....do it legally......apply.....wait your turn.....get a green card...
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*While it is not possible to pass a law to stop people living in foreign countries from coming here, the US could reinstate foreign aid to the northern triangle to help support their nation's economies. The US should be sending alot more because so much of these countries problems stem from America's meddling during the 1980's.
*100% agree that employers should be jailed first. At this time only workers have been arrested in the Mississippi raid.
*The current administration has almost eliminated that option for Central Americans. Immigration is a political issue, migration is a Human Right.
 
swing_voter said:
If they stole a car and they had kids, the cops would take the kids away from them before putting them in jail. This is true pretty much in every country all over the world.
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I think this is a little trickier.

In the same kind of scenario, the whole family is found in the stolen car. Then if the penalty for stealing a car is to transport every person in the car back to their home, it would make sense to keep the family together that stole the car together so they could all be sent home in a reasonable and logical manner instead of taking the kids to one spot of town and the parents to another spot across town, then possibly risking mixing up which kids belong to which parents and making it all more complicated.
 
mrjurrs said:
First, your statement is incorrect in terms of danger. Did your immigrant ancestors come here for free money?
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Point out what danger the man was in while staying on the Mexican side. I mean actual danger, not something invented by the media.
 
mrjurrs;1070496521 Immigration is a political issue said:
migration is a Human Right[/B].
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Migrating from one country to another and crossing borders illegally is not a right!

Sovereign countries with established borders have a right to control who comes in and to set the conditions to which they may come in and to keep those they deem undesirable out.
 
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mrjurrs said:
Unfortunately, knowing what we know about early childhood trauma, it's probably more likely we've created a terrorist than a president.
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Could not have said it better.
 
Lucky 1 said:
Migrating from one country to another and crossing borders illegally is not a right!

Sovereign countries with established borders have a right to control who comes in and to set the conditions to which they may come in and to keep those they deem undesirable out.
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That is true, but political boundaries are recent phenomena, migration has been occurring since we jumped out of the trees. Having said that, the US is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The political issues surrounding immigration are leading us to violate their Human Rights. Another example of America putting themselves against our past.
 
Drawdown said:
I had not read that, but the suggestion he was fleeing gangs. Either way, whatever happened had nothing to do with the US or its border patrol, yet ICE/Trump/The US was being painted as the bad guys over this idiot's decisions in Mexico over which nobody but him had any control.
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He was not an idiot. He was a hardworking young father that put his child in danger because it was so much more dangerous where he was.
 
mrjurrs said:
...and in our names, America continues to separate children from their parents. Did anyone ever agree that the price our country should pay to deport undocumented immigrants includes children in a plant parking lot waiting for their parents who will never come out, or the drowning death of a father and his baby girl on the shores of our land of the free and the home of the brave? Is part of the price the creation of a generation of kids that will suffer from the complete range of mental illnesses we KNOW result from the very treatment young children receive in our immigration system.

Immigration is a political issue. Migration is a Human Rights issue. Do something.
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You mean how children are separated from a parent put in jail or prison and you want children jailed with adults? Wow!

People used to be outraged when juveniles were put in with adults and the the juvenile is gang raped and otherwise assaulted. I guess that is in fashion now in the Democratic Party.
 
mrjurrs said:
...and in our names, America continues to separate children from their parents. Did anyone ever agree that the price our country should pay to deport undocumented immigrants includes children in a plant parking lot waiting for their parents who will never come out, or the drowning death of a father and his baby girl on the shores of our land of the free and the home of the brave? Is part of the price the creation of a generation of kids that will suffer from the complete range of mental illnesses we KNOW result from the very treatment young children receive in our immigration system.

Immigration is a political issue. Migration is a Human Rights issue. Do something.
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I hear "the one we love to bitch about" is doing something. I want to bet the left is already revving up.
Heck, send some letters to our lawmakers. Let them close the loopholes, lets stop the incentives, lets stop the propaganda, stop people from putting their lives and the lives of their kids in peril by promising them easy access if they come with family.
 
mrjurrs said:
He was not an idiot. He was a hardworking young father that put his child in danger because it was so much more dangerous where he was.
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He was an idiot. Anybody who puts a toddler on their back and tries to swim across a river he doesn't have to swim across is an idiot.
 
mrjurrs said:
...and in our names, America continues to separate children from their parents. Did anyone ever agree that the price our country should pay to deport undocumented immigrants includes children in a plant parking lot waiting for their parents who will never come out, or the drowning death of a father and his baby girl on the shores of our land of the free and the home of the brave? Is part of the price the creation of a generation of kids that will suffer from the complete range of mental illnesses we KNOW result from the very treatment young children receive in our immigration system.

Immigration is a political issue. Migration is a Human Rights issue. Do something.
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White people lack empathy and compassion for anyone except the people who look like themselves. (Cite: New study: White people lack empathy across the socioeconomic spectrum | Salon.com) When you combine this inborn, socially cultivated lack of empathy and compassion with the anonymity of the Internet, you have what Malcolm X aptly described as "white devils". In fact, white people derive happiness and enjoyment in the misery of others (especially people of color). White people are the only people on the planet where you can show them suffering and they do not bat an eyelash. They are, for all intents and purposes, ambulatory monsters who feed off the misery and suffering of others.
 
Drawdown said:
He was an idiot. Anybody who puts a toddler on their back and tries to swim across a river he doesn't have to swim across is an idiot.
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Have some compassion. He wasn't an idiot but made a bad judgement, perhaps underestimating his ability. Yes, he put himself and his child in danger. That doesn't mean we must be so demeaning.
 
Drawdown said:
He was an idiot. Anybody who puts a toddler on their back and tries to swim across a river he doesn't have to swim across is an idiot.
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He was a father, trying to keep his kid from the danger in the Mexican border they were forced to stay in by the current administration's incompetency.
 
mrjurrs said:
They drowned because the current administration closed legal ports of entry and the danger of staying in Mexico was apparent. Do you know why parents put their kids in danger to leave where they are? Because it is more dangerous to stay where they are.
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Not counting brief closures due to emergency situations, no ports of entry have been closed.
 
mrjurrs said:
Russia and China didn't break their countries. Take a look at the history of the US and the northern triangle.
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Knowing history is inconvenient for those that think seeking asylum is illegal and deserve punishment even if they are 2 years old.
 
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swing_voter said:
If they stole a car and they had kids, the cops would take the kids away from them before putting them in jail. This is true pretty much in every country all over the world.
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But they didn't steal a car, did they? They sought asylum. Seeking asylum is not illegal. Taking kids away from parents for no reason is illegal.
 
mrjurrs said:
...and in our names, America continues to separate children from their parents. Did anyone ever agree that the price our country should pay to deport undocumented immigrants includes children in a plant parking lot waiting for their parents who will never come out, or the drowning death of a father and his baby girl on the shores of our land of the free and the home of the brave? Is part of the price the creation of a generation of kids that will suffer from the complete range of mental illnesses we KNOW result from the very treatment young children receive in our immigration system.

Immigration is a political issue. Migration is a Human Rights issue. Do something.
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America's message to the world: "Do not come here unannounced and expect us to take you in and care for you and your family for the rest of your lives. We have rules which must be followed. We have laws which must be enforced. We do not have housing units into which we can keep you and your family together while we decide what to do with the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants flooding into our country at the present. You and your family likely will end up separated and we don't know for how long. You could get killed or robbed or abused along the way by thugs. Use some common sense. Follow the rules. Those rules are for the protection of you and your family."
 
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