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The Left's demonization of Conservatives Becomes Dangerous.

yankintx said:
That disgust resulted in the Dems taking the House in 2018 with a +40 gain. Reality sucks eh ?
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Actually, that was predicted. The party in the White House always loses seats in Congress during their first mid-term. Not to worry, the GOP will gain those seats back, and more, in 2020 when Trump is reelected.
 
JustHanging said:
Exactly! Because nothing says Liberal Socialist quite like the Confederate flag. :lamo
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Obviously you are not familiar with American history. Every slaveholder in the US in 1860 was a Democrat. It was Democrats who attacked Fort Sumter in April 1861, and it was Democrats who fought to protect the institution of slavery. The liberal socialist Democrat is indeed the exact kind of confederate bigot to which I was referring.
 
ocean515 said:
This started to manifest itself when the powers behind the New Democratic Party pushed President Obama ahead of Hillary in 2007-8.
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The Obama Presidency is when the Democrat party and media began to play the race card, anytime anyone criticized Obama for anything including policy choices. They made it so you could no longer have an open debate. Respectful logical arguments, that threatened to undermine Democrat policy, were called racist when Obama was President. The line of communication between parties, was cut by the Democrats, and led to the American people unable to see each other, as before. Before, we did not always agree but you could still have a good debate, before the race card was used to end the discussion.

This got worse under Trump, when the Democrat controlled media and politicians lied about Trump for two years. Do you remember the collusion delusion? This bunch of cons artists made anyone connected to Trump, automatically suspect. The race card became a hate card. Voices were silenced, and it was taboo to listen, less the Democrats hate mob go after you. This further closed the lines of communication and people became less connected to each other.

On the good side, Attorney General Barr is putting together a strong case against the worse Democrat criminals. Their crimes have been hidden from the Democrat base using fake news, who does not report the facts. The indictments will open up eyes and allow the country to unify again. Fake news is a major part of the problem. But even this is changing. CNN has lost half its audience, which means more people on the left are starting to listen to others things once considered taboo.
 
Bullseye said:
I've been arguing with myself all day on whether to post this or not. Obviously "post it" won.
There exists in this country a cultivated mindset that conservatives are all things evil. We have gradually devolved into fictional characters, invented by the left, and animated by whatever awful thoughts, beliefs, and imaginary actions the anti-American hate cult can conjure up, mostly on the basis that we still have faith, or love our country, or believe in true justice rather than socialist justice.

It is a fascinating process, watching yourself being defined by people who actively practice what they pretend to condemn. The awful things that they project upon us don’t spring from our minds, but from theirs. Those terrible thoughts and dark motives are bred in their own warped psyches. When they spring forth, we are assured that these are what drive others but not themselves.
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I think this situation is growing more and more foreboding and dangerous. Beyond that I'm seeing far more tendencies on the right to push back rather than ignoring or retreating from the perpetrator. It's scary. I don't remember a time in decades where there was so much naked aggression between the sides.
I remember the time when both sides wanted basically the same things; they just had differing opinions on how to get there. I don't believe that still exists. The right and left have dramatically different images of what America will look like in the future.
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New Rule: When an ideology consistently does or advocates bad things, they're not the victim when they are righteously called out for doing bad things.

All through the Obama presidency, and especially during the Great Recession, conservatives were chanting 'debt, debt, debt' and used those cries to hamper Obama policies that would have shortened the recession, helping millions of Americans. Now, with unemployment low in an ok economy, the no longer care about debt and rack up at a higher rate.

According to the constitution, a president has a right to nominate Supreme Court Justices and it is the constitutional duty of the Senate to provide advice and consent. Mitch McConnell refused to even consider an Obama SCOTUS nominee and dozens of lower court nominees.

More recently, super conservative Rand Paul voted for the trillion dollar tax cut on the elite but refused to vote for 911 first responders out of his sense of fiscal responsibility.

Unfortunately, there are countless other examples. Oh, and conservatives call liberals "snowflakes" when conservatives dish it out but can't take criticism.
 
Glitch said:
Obviously you are not familiar with American history. Every slaveholder in the US in 1860 was a Democrat. It was Democrats who attacked Fort Sumter in April 1861, and it was Democrats who fought to protect the institution of slavery. The liberal socialist Democrat is indeed the exact kind of confederate bigot to which I was referring.
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The irony of accusing someone else of not knowing history. The fact escapes you that the Democratic and Republican parties have reversed ideology. The Republican Party started out as the liberal party. Democrats were the conservative party 150 years ago and stayed that way until the early 20th Century.
 
Glitch said:
Actually, that was predicted. The party in the White House always loses seats in Congress during their first mid-term. Not to worry, the GOP will gain those seats back, and more, in 2020 when Trump is reelected.
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Dream on
 
weaver2 said:
No the MSM did not applaud Willem Van Spronsen's attack on and ICE facility in Washington state. The Seattle News, the Tacoma Star CNN, ABC and CBS reported on the Saturday July 14 news. News stories lose their readers fast and by Monday it was old news. It wasn't much of an attack, so it wasn't very news worthy. Mr. Van Spronsen apparently burned a truck with ports potties and lobbed road flares at the ICE facility. The police said he tried to set fire to a propane tank. The police killed him. He had been working for the welfare of imprisoned immigrants.

Fox News says the left is ignoring the violence of the left. It's interesting that you are using the same "verbiage" as Fox News. Perhaps the right should cool its jets about left violence and spend some time dealing with white supremacists violence

2019 1 killed in the Poway synagogue shooting
2018. 2 killed in the Tallahassee yoga studio shooting
2018. 2 killed in the Kroger shooting
2018. 11 killed in the Pittsburgh synagog shooting
2018. 1 killed in the murder of Blaze Bernstein
2017. 1 killed in the murder os MaShon Cooper-Williams
2017. 1 killed in the stabbing at U Maryland
2017. 1 killed 11 wounded in car ramming at Charlottsville VA
2017. 2 killed in the Portland, OR train attack
2017. 1 killed in the stabbing of Timothy Caughman
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#1 threat of terrorism in this country is from right wing militia. MOst terrorist attacks in this country from right wing groups. Rise in hate crimes and other violence from right wingers

As usual, the right projecting, nothing new here. EVeyrthing they say about liberals is actually true for them
 
Sampson Simpson said:
#1 threat of terrorism in this country is from right wing militia. MOst terrorist attacks in this country from right wing groups. Rise in hate crimes and other violence from right wingers

As usual, the right projecting, nothing new here. EVeyrthing they say about liberals is actually true for them
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It is clear to most people that conservatives are not being honest with themselves when they call all MSM news reports "Fake News"; when they claim science is wrong; when they say violent extremist organizations are Democratic; when they believe lies like President Obama was a Muslim, racist, foreigner, etc.: ; when they call women murderers for getting abortions, when they believe that criticism of their beliefs and actions is demonizing them.

There have always been Americans that believed in conspiracy theories, the wickedness of government and imminent destruction of those they called godless. We used to ignore them and call them nut jobs. Now they are legion and have elected a president to create a government based on their beliefs. The left is not demonizing conservatives. Their own actions and beliefs are demonizing them.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
#1 threat of terrorism in this country is from right wing militia. MOst terrorist attacks in this country from right wing groups. Rise in hate crimes and other violence from right wingers

As usual, the right projecting, nothing new here. EVeyrthing they say about liberals is actually true for them
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#1 killer of LEO (Law Enforcement Official) than any other group are the right wing.
 
MTAtech said:
New Rule: When an ideology consistently does or advocates bad things, they're not the victim when they are righteously called out for doing bad things.
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Yeah, more jobs, better wages, growth economy, booming stock markets, more money in people's pockets, and sky rocketing enthusiasm is terrible!
MTAtech said:
All through the Obama presidency, and especially during the Great Recession, conservatives were chanting 'debt, debt, debt' and used those cries to hamper Obama policies that would have shortened the recession, helping millions of Americans. Now, with unemployment low in an ok economy, the no longer care about debt and rack up at a higher rate.
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Well actually the Great Recession ended within a few months of Obama taking office and with little help from him. And he did such a good job in those first two years he and his party suffered devastating losses in the election of 2010, and subsequent ones.
MTATech said:
According to the constitution, a president has a right to nominate Supreme Court Justices and it is the constitutional duty of the Senate to provide advice and consent. Mitch McConnell refused to even consider an Obama SCOTUS nominee and dozens of lower court nominees.
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MTATech said:
More recently, super conservative Rand Paul voted for the trillion dollar tax cut on the elite but refused to vote for 911 first responders out of his sense of fiscal responsibility.
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Rand Paul is a Libertarian, not a "super conservative", if you paid anything more than superficial attention you'd know he frequently opposed his party.
MTATech said:
Unfortunately, there are countless other examples. Oh, and conservatives call liberals "snowflakes" when conservatives dish it out but can't take criticism.
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You totally missed the tread's issue in your hurry to spew the canned Dem whine list.
 
Peter King said:
Let us see how to say this nicely, this is partisan nonsense.

Who in the US has most weapons? Conservatives/people in the country. What kind of person most likely has a weapons training (army, navy, airforce, police, armed security, etc. etc.) you guessed it conservatives.

This week a police officer suggested that miss Ocasio-Cortes "needs a round" (aka a bullet fired at her).

Besides the Antifa idiots there are very few violent liberal groups around, on the other hand right wing groups with violent tendencies are much more prevalent.

Both sides are capable of violence, that is true, but the left has been demonized by conservatives as much and some might suggest even more. Conservative is not a slight on someone (for the most part) but libs, commies, socialists are slights against liberal people.

This whole issue has to do with there no longer be common ground, the conservatives in the US might not have moved to the right, but their representatives most certainly have and that is fueling this who issue. People will vote R or D regardless of whomever is on the ballot and that is dangerous IMO.

As a Dutch person I have been following US elections since more than 25 years and since the reelection of Bush (not his fault, just a time in history that is significant due to the war on Terror etc.) the two political blocks have been moving, the left towards more socially liberal views and the right to much more anti-immigrant, anti-liberal and very much nationalist in it's tendencies. The election of Obama has pushed the 2 sides even further apart with the election of Trump being the pinnacle of this slide into extremes. And as said, both sides have moved to their own extreme, neither has tried to work itself back to the middle but to claim that the left is more dangerous is not accurate IMHO. To be honest when I think of the left I think of the *****hat movement and when I think of conservatives I think more torch carrying idiots.

Sorry, but that is how I feel, I think it is time to move back to the center.
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You have a right to an option.
 
Bullseye said:
I've been arguing with myself all day on whether to post this or not. Obviously "post it" won.




I think this situation is growing more and more foreboding and dangerous. Beyond that I'm seeing far more tendencies on the right to push back rather than ignoring or retreating from the perpetrator. It's scary. I don't remember a time in decades where there was so much naked aggression between the sides.
I remember the time when both sides wanted basically the same things; they just had differing opinions on how to get there. I don't believe that still exists. The right and left have dramatically different images of what America will look like in the future.
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But the press keeps saying that right wing terrorists killed 50 people in the USA last year, and left wingers killed no one.

The right is saying that everyone should be sent back to where they came from, even people who were born in America. I see daily calls online by the right to kill or expel all communists, leftists, feminisists and gay. I see no such calls from the left.

And here you are, on no evidence, touting Trump's new line that the left is dangerous.
 
MTAtech said:
The irony of accusing someone else of not knowing history. The fact escapes you that the Democratic and Republican parties have reversed ideology. The Republican Party started out as the liberal party. Democrats were the conservative party 150 years ago and stayed that way until the early 20th Century.
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That too is just another leftist lie. The anti-American left are so delusional they actually believe they are not the exact same bigots they were 153 years ago, but of course everyone knows that they still are. Only the left believe their self-imposed delusions, nobody else does. Democrats, after all are still creating the exact same terrorist organizations they created 153 ago, and their hatred is still based on the color of someone's skin and nothing else. Which makes every Democrat a bigot, just like they have always been since their inception in 1828.
 
Glitch said:
That too is just another leftist lie. The anti-American left are so delusional they actually believe they are not the exact same bigots they were 153 years ago, but of course everyone knows that they still are. Only the left believe their self-imposed delusions, nobody else does. Democrats, after all are still creating the exact same terrorist organizations they created 153 ago, and their hatred is still based on the color of someone's skin and nothing else. Which makes every Democrat a bigot, just like they have always been since their inception in 1828.
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This can't be debated with you. For a serious debate, both sides must agree on common facts. My facts about the history of the two parties comes from the historical record. It's indisputable that when the Republican Party was formed in 1856, it was fiercely liberal, opposing the expansion of slavery, calling for more spending on public education, seeking more open immigration and the like. Abe Lincoln was a liberal.

In the 19th Century Democrats were conservatives, partly dominated by the slave-holding South. Those old-style Democrats generally opposed any government action to create jobs or help underdogs.

The two parties reversed character. Nobody can argue that the Republican Party isn't the liberal party it was 150 years ago. The same is true for the Democratic Party, that recent Republicans have called "Socialist." If we look at the states that currently vote Republican, they closely parallel the old slave holding states, that formerly voted Democratic before the Civil Rights Act was passed. The most Republican state in the union, Alabama is now strongly Republican. It used to be equally strongly Democratic.

You instead, believe this is only a delusion and a lie. Therefore, we have no common facts to have a debate.
 
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Glitch said:
That too is just another leftist lie. The anti-American left are so delusional they actually believe they are not the exact same bigots they were 153 years ago, but of course everyone knows that they still are. Only the left believe their self-imposed delusions, nobody else does. Democrats, after all are still creating the exact same terrorist organizations they created 153 ago, and their hatred is still based on the color of someone's skin and nothing else. Which makes every Democrat a bigot, just like they have always been since their inception in 1828.
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What in heck were you doing during American History class?
 
Glitch said:
That too is just another leftist lie. The anti-American left are so delusional they actually believe they are not the exact same bigots they were 153 years ago, but of course everyone knows that they still are. Only the left believe their self-imposed delusions, nobody else does. Democrats, after all are still creating the exact same terrorist organizations they created 153 ago, and their hatred is still based on the color of someone's skin and nothing else. Which makes every Democrat a bigot, just like they have always been since their inception in 1828.
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Originally Posted by MTAtech
The irony of accusing someone else of not knowing history. The fact escapes you that the Democratic and Republican parties have reversed ideology. The Republican Party started out as the liberal party. Democrats were the conservative party 150 years ago and stayed that way until the early 20th Century.
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The truth is MTAtech is correct.

The republicans were the left and the democrats were the right.

The party's switched and history shows that.

It happened and it is fact.
 
Originally Posted by iguanaman
Yes Trump is a hater and hate begets hate. When have we ever had a President that makes hate his trade mark? From the moment he went down the escalator in Trump Tower to the present it has not changed. Here are the people who live on hate....they are among his most ardent supporters. And yes we have a different vision of the future than them.
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I don't see Trump in that picture.
Mycroft said:
I don't see Trump in that picture.
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American leaves behind the mantle of leadership to step back to the Scopes monkey trial.

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Good thing I don't see any Protestants, Muslims or Jews in that picture.....

Wouldn't that suck for them to be FORCED to worship someone else's god?
 
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Originally Posted by Glitch
I have absolutely nothing in common with leftists. I fully support the founding principles of "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness," while the left utterly detest them. The Democratic Party has been, and continues to be, the greatest threat this nation has ever encountered.
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WOW

Did you think of that all by yourself?

Because, WOW.

What color is the sky in your world?
 

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Glitch said:
I have absolutely nothing in common with leftists. I fully support the founding principles of "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness," while the left utterly detest them. The Democratic Party has been, and continues to be, the greatest threat this nation has ever encountered.
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"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness," huh? Well, the left ended slavery in America; the left got women and African Americans the right to vote; they ended segregation; they created Social Security, that lifted millions of seniors out of poverty; they passed the Civil Rights Act; Created Medicare, when seniors couldn't get insurance; the created the ACA, that gave millions more health insurance; they passed the Voting Rights Act; they passed the Clean Water Act, and many more laws that provide and preserve your Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.
 
Dick Tornado said:
The truth is MTAtech is correct.

The republicans were the left and the democrats were the right.

The party's switched and history shows that.

It happened and it is fact.
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When did this magical switch take place? The fact that you can't specify when it took place demonstrates that it never did and you are simply ignorant of American history. Either that you are desperately trying to delude yourself into believing some switch took place and just hope that I will also buy into that stupidity. I hate to break this to you, but I'm not buying your fake history. You are clearly a victim of leftist indoctrination.
 
glitch said:
when did this magical switch take place? The fact that you can't specify when it took place demonstrates that it never did and you are simply ignorant of american history. Either that you are desperately trying to delude yourself into believing some switch took place and just hope that i will also buy into that stupidity. I hate to break this to you, but i'm not buying your fake history. You are clearly a victim of leftist indoctrination.
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omg. !! Well one thing is obvious; the left didn't need to demonize stupidity like this. It did it all by itself.
 
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eohrnberger said:
The left is blind to the violence of others from the left. In fact they welcome such violence, support it, excuse it, and cover for it every chance they get.

An AntiFa member committed a terrorist attack against an ICE detention facility. The lamestream political propagandist media minimized it, and in some cases even applauded it, and quickly stopped covering the story at all, moving on to the next hate Trump TDS story.

Never mind that the attackers posted manifesto contained the same verbiage widely reported from AOC. Rather odd that this was never mentioned by the lamestream political propagandist media.

Next to none of the left's politicians condemned the terrorist attack, which amounts to tacit endorsement and support. We have seen Democrat party leaders walking away in silence when asked this question.

The left, in this case, insists that the political rhetoric of miss characterizing ICE detention centers as Nazi concentration camps, exactly the same words used in the AntiFa terrorists' manifesto, doesn't incite violence.

Yet they also insist that any political rhetoric they don't agree with is hate speech, incites violence, and causes people harm.

How does this work?
By which pretzel logic and hyper-partisan rationalizations is this consistent in any fashion?

The left is blind to the violence of others from the left. In fact they welcome such violence, support it, excuse it, and cover for it every chance they get, clearly.
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Making stuff up again, that';s all you right winger do, since you have no facts, no logic, no intelligence, you got nothing
 
eohrnberger said:
You're not even reading the citations. There are direct quotes, yet you ignore those.
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We are done here. It's like talking to a wall.
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LOl projection, talking to trolls is talking to a wall
 
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