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The Left's demonization of Conservatives Becomes Dangerous.

The lamestream media have been making excuses for any number of AntiFa attacks on people and destruction of property for a long time now.

CNN glorified Antifa terrorist killed in ICE detention centre attack
6 days ago - CNN recently glorified Antifa terrorist killed in ICE detention centre .... in a CNN program about the group, with the host praising the 'good work ...


CNN's Cuomo defends Antifa: Those who oppose hate 'are ... - The Hill
Aug 14, 2018 - CNN anchor Chris Cuomo said late Monday that Antifa should not be ... stormed the beaches of Normandy on D-Day to fight Nazi soldiers in ...

Yeah, I know, I know, not your lamestream media, not sources which favor and are pushing the leftist view point and agenda that you seem to favor. :shrug:




"An AntiFa member committed a terrorist attack against an ICE detention facility. The lamestream political propagandist media minimized it, and in some cases even applauded it, and quickly stopped covering the story at all"

You keep saying the MSM is promoting AntiFa and glorifying Mr. Van Spronsen.

But the sources you give as proof are not reporters slanting the news Mainstream Media. They are opinion pieces from editorial programs like Chris Cuomo's or minor news organizations or in the post above foreign news sources. News.com.au is an Australian news and entertainment website owned by News Corp of Australia. This is not American MSM

You apparently recognize that you are not quoting the sources you say are doing to slanting. "Yeah, I know, I know, not your lamestream media, not sources which favor and are pushing the leftist view point and agenda that you seem to favor. :shrug:" Yet you continue to claim it is the MSM that is glorifying and supporting the attack on ICE. Do you understand the difference between reporting the news and commenting on the news??? To support your claim that CNN reporters supported AntiFa on a news program YOU HAVE TO QUOTE DIRECTLY FROM CNN not quote what some other source, commenting editorially, thinks what CNN was saying.
 
"An AntiFa member committed a terrorist attack against an ICE detention facility. The lamestream political propagandist media minimized it, and in some cases even applauded it, and quickly stopped covering the story at all"

You keep saying the MSM is promoting AntiFa and glorifying Mr. Van Spronsen.

But the sources you give as proof are not reporters slanting the news Mainstream Media. They are opinion pieces from editorial programs like Chris Cuomo's or minor news organizations or in the post above foreign news sources. News.com.au is an Australian news and entertainment website owned by News Corp of Australia. This is not American MSM

You're not even reading the citations. There are direct quotes, yet you ignore those.
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We are done here. It's like talking to a wall.

You apparently recognize that you are not quoting the sources you say are doing to slanting. "Yeah, I know, I know, not your lamestream media, not sources which favor and are pushing the leftist view point and agenda that you seem to favor. :shrug:" Yet you continue to claim it is the MSM that is glorifying and supporting the attack on ICE. Do you understand the difference between reporting the news and commenting on the news??? To support your claim that CNN reporters supported AntiFa on a news program YOU HAVE TO QUOTE DIRECTLY FROM CNN not quote what some other source, commenting editorially, thinks what CNN was saying.
 
You expect the lamestream media to admit their bias? To admit their dishonesty? Good luck with that. If that's your standard, you are only wanting and accepting being lied to.

CNN promoting AntiFa. But again, I suspect you'll ignore this citation as it is counter to what appears to be your preferred narrative.

The media's response to another AntiFa attack.

CNN's Brain Stelter defends journalist attacked by antifa
Jun 30, 2019 - CNN host Brian Stelter defended the journalist who was attacked by ... While reporting on the protesters, Andy Ngo was kicked after had items ...

Liberals cheer as antifa violence escalates - New York Post
4 days ago - Biden condemns violent Antifa assault on conservative journalist Andy ... CNN's Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon have defended antifa on-air.

Between "Liberals cheer as antifa violence escalates" and the left's continued excuses for AntiFa's bad behavior pretty much sums it up, doesn't it?

AntiFa went from protesting, to destroying property, to beating people in public (as police stood by and watched), to a terrorist attack on a federal government facility. Seems that murdering someone for political purposes is next on their escalation list, doesn't it? And all the while the left is making excuses for them.

Sure, sure. Believe whatever delusion you are told to believe.

Chris Cuomo's and Don Lemon's opinion pieces did not defend AntiFa. They were poorly worded, garbled opinion pieces defending the fight against hate. Neither of them praised AntiFa's violence and neither are proof that MSM news slants or shapes the news.
I don't believe in delusions. You and several others have claimed that news from the MSM is warped in support of liberal beliefs. Yet you don't quote what the MSM reporters actually said. I believe in backing up claims and accusations by quoting the sources that said it. You have accused the MSM news of lying about an ICE incident but you've backed up your accusation with opinion pieces from minor news and opinion sources, not what was actually said by the MSM reporters. Opinions are not news. They are what someone thinks about an issue. You can agree or disagree with their opinion but you can't call it news. And you can't use those opinions to prove that a news organization is lying.

I believe both White Supremacists,White Nationalists and AntiFa are simply thugs looking for and excuse to start fights. I am not defending AntiFa. What I am saying is that the news reporters for MSM are not slanting, omitting or shaping the news to defend AntiFa.
 
You're not even reading the citations. There are direct quotes, yet you ignore those.
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We are done here. It's like talking to a wall.


I've read the quotes. They are all comments from News.com.au an Australian news and entertainment website.

I agree. We are done. You apparently do not understand the difference between news and opinion.
 
You're not even reading the citations. There are direct quotes, yet you ignore those.
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We are done here. It's like talking to a wall.

I think you have amply demonstrated the support the anti-American left continue to give to terrorist organizations, like ANTIFA. In a strange way, so did weaver2. His adamant refusal to even acknowledge the blatant support the "enemy of the people" (a.k.a. propagandists in the media) provides to terrorists, despite being well-documented, is further confirmation.
 
I think you have amply demonstrated the support the anti-American left continue to give to terrorist organizations, like ANTIFA. In a strange way, so did weaver2. His adamant refusal to even acknowledge the blatant support the "enemy of the people" (a.k.a. propagandists in the media) provides to terrorists, despite being well-documented, is further confirmation.

This discussion is about whether MSM warps, slants or shapes the news in favor of a liberal agenda. It has nothing to do with who supports Anti-Fa except that it was claimed that the MSM news glorified the attack on ICE detention center and that glorification by CNN was proof that the MSM news is biased.

Try to follow the discussion. Nobody supports Anti-Fa, White Nationalists, White Supremacists. They are composed of stupid people with time on their hands looking for a fight to give excitement to their lives. Starting a fight is always easier than finding something intelligent with which to shape your life.
 
Here is the entire text of Cuomo's program you claim is defending Anti-Fa.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN HOST: Here's the closing argument. Two wrongs and what is right. It's been one year since Heather Heyer was killed for standing up to hate, and our thoughts still go to her family.

We know what happened with racial tensions nationwide after that. And this weekend was built as round two, "unite the right", the sequel. Organizers planned to rally in Washington, D.C. this time.

But the turn out of white supremacists was thankfully pathetic, which is why I didn't have to go there and cover it. Only a couple dozen showed up. Proof they lost membership after being exposed again last year as a bunch of hateful losers? No. They're still in force online, but they didn't have the guts to show up, and that's good.

Counterprotesters did. There were good numbers of them. The vast majority were peaceful.

But peppered in the crowd were members of Antifa, or anti-fascists. They covered their faces, confronted police and berated journalists and that was wrong.

Now, you've been hearing it. There's a lot of about what-aboutism and spin going on. And it's kind of sickening to me. So, let's all agree on some common understandings. A protester uses their voice, song, slang, slurs, there's a huge range, but it is talk.

When you use your hands in a violent way, you are a rioter. And unless you're justified in defending yourself and you hit someone, you're a thug, you're a criminal. You attack cops, you slap the media, you are in the wrong, period.

But I argue to you tonight, all punches are not equal morally. In the eyes of the law, yes. But in the eyes of good and evil, here's the argument: if you're a punk that comes to start trouble in a mask and hurt people, you're not about any virtuous cause. You're just somebody who's going to be held to the standard of doing something wrong.

But when someone comes to call out bigots and it gets hot, even physical, are they equally wrong as the bigot they are fighting? I argue, no. Fighting against hate matters.

Now, how you fight matters too. There's no question about that. But drawing a moral equivalency between those espousing hate and those fighting it because they both resort to violence emboldens hate, legitimizes hateful belief and elevates what should be stamped out.


(TRUMP) needed to call out the bigots and the white supremacists and he didn't. Why? And why does he therefore have unprecedented support from these fringe elements of white power? Two wrongs and what is right? The bigots are wrong to hit. Antifa, or whomever, anarchists or malcontent or misguided, they are also wrong to hit.

But fighting hate is right. And in a clash between hate and those who oppose it, those who oppose it are on the side of right. Think about: civil rights activist, were they the same morally as the bigots, as the racist with whom they exchanged blows. Are people who go to war against an evil regime on the same moral ground as those they seek to stop from oppressing the weak?

When you punch me in the nose for being Italian and you say I'm somehow less than, am I in the same moral place when I punch you back for saying that? It's not about being right in the eyes of the law, but you also have to know what's right and wrong and immoral, in a good and evil sense.

That's why people who show up to fight against bigots are not to be judged the same as the bigots, even if they do resort to the same petty violence. The law will take care of that. How you disagree matters. We should be our best. But I am arguing that Trump was wrong to create a moral equivalency between bigots and those who oppose them, making them equal wrongs.

Those hateful few who take solace and encouragement from the president's efforts, my message to you is simple. Be aware, there are many of us who see you as unequal, as less than. And you will be opposed at every turn because what you are about is wrong, and fighting you is right.

Thank you for watching.

"CNN TONIGHT" with Don Lemon is going to pick up the show right now.

It's a tricky argument. I know I'm going to get some heat. I understand that.

The law will take care of what you do to me and what I do to you. But to make it moral equivalence, when you're coming at me because I'm saying that you don't matter in this world as much as I do, those are not equivalent motivations that lead us into the confrontation.
 
I've been arguing with myself all day on whether to post this or not. Obviously "post it" won.




I think this situation is growing more and more foreboding and dangerous. Beyond that I'm seeing far more tendencies on the right to push back rather than ignoring or retreating from the perpetrator. It's scary. I don't remember a time in decades where there was so much naked aggression between the sides.
I remember the time when both sides wanted basically the same things; they just had differing opinions on how to get there. I don't believe that still exists. The right and left have dramatically different images of what America will look like in the future.

Vote for a monster, expect to be treated as a monster.
 
Nobody supports Anti-Fa, White Nationalists, White Supremacists
The anti-American left certainly do. Who do you think created those anti-American organizations? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the conservative right. Democrats created, and continue to support, ANTIFA, BLM, the KKK, and the National Socialist Movement (a.k.a. neo-NAZIs), just to name a small number of domestic terrorist organizations created and supported by Democrats. It is always about hate with the anti-American left.
 
The anti-American left certainly do. Who do you think created those anti-American organizations? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the conservative right. Democrats created, and continue to support, ANTIFA, BLM, the KKK, and the National Socialist Movement (a.k.a. neo-NAZIs), just to name a small number of domestic terrorist organizations created and supported by Democrats. It is always about hate with the anti-American left.

Tell you what, own up to the fact that White Nationalists and White Supremacists are conservative organizations and I'll own up to Anti-Fa being a liberal organization. Sound fair?

Oh BTW I'd be happy to do a bit of research and trace the money that supports all these violent organizations back to its source. You might be surprised.
 
Tell you what, own up to the fact that White Nationalists and White Supremacists are conservative organizations and I'll own up to Anti-Fa being a liberal organization. Sound fair?

Oh BTW I'd be happy to do a bit of research and trace the money that supports all these violent organizations back to its source. You might be surprised.

Why would you assume a socialist organization is conservative? Last time I checked they were diametrically opposite points of view. Or are you going to try to pretend that "socialist" doesn't really mean "socialist." That "socialist" somehow really means "conservative" when it is applied to an anti-American hate group. Is that what you truly expect someone to believe?
 
Why would you assume a socialist organization is conservative? Last time I checked they were diametrically opposite points of view. Or are you going to try to pretend that "socialist" doesn't really mean "socialist." That "socialist" somehow really means "conservative" when it is applied to an anti-American hate group. Is that what you truly expect someone to believe?

You don't have to defend or deny any organization. Tracing the funding will tell you who they are and what they believe never mind what words they choose to call themselves by.
 
I love how Hilary can label half of America as racist and deplorable but Heaven Forbid Trump was rude to four minority female Democrats and it is the worst ****ing thing EVER!!!
 
I've been arguing with myself all day on whether to post this or not. Obviously "post it" won.




I think this situation is growing more and more foreboding and dangerous. Beyond that I'm seeing far more tendencies on the right to push back rather than ignoring or retreating from the perpetrator. It's scary. I don't remember a time in decades where there was so much naked aggression between the sides.
I remember the time when both sides wanted basically the same things; they just had differing opinions on how to get there. I don't believe that still exists. The right and left have dramatically different images of what America will look like in the future.

Well let's see, this is from American Thinker eh. Is it a biased source?

LOL, Dang dude, this site would do Stormfront proud, publishing White Supremacists and everything. Considering this is one of the places you get your information from, it certainly explains a lot of your posts.

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:lamo :lamo :lamo 'Nuff said.
 
This is all the result of Trump-hatred.

Yes Trump is a hater and hate begets hate. When have we ever had a President that makes hate his trade mark? From the moment he went down the escalator in Trump Tower to the present it has not changed. Here are the people who live on hate....they are among his most ardent supporters. And yes we have a different vision of the future than them.

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Even members of Trump's own party called his tweet racist. This fellow bases his whole argument on his opinion that it was not. Hes free to do that, but there is no reason to take him seriously.
 
Even members of Trump's own party called his tweet racist. This fellow bases his whole argument on his opinion that it was not. Hes free to do that, but there is no reason to take him seriously.

Interesting. I don't bother reading stuff from sites that give Stormfront a run for their money, publishing White Supremacists. Which is the type of site the OP links to.

I can't imagine a site that publishes White Supremacists taking any other point of view regarding Trump's racist tweets.
 
Considering the National Socialist Movement (a.k.a. neo-NAZIs) is entirely comprised of leftist Democrats who continue to field anti-Semitic candidates, it should be rephrased as "America's Disgust with the Democratic Party."

That disgust resulted in the Dems taking the House in 2018 with a +40 gain. Reality sucks eh ?
 
Considering the National Socialist Movement (a.k.a. neo-NAZIs) is entirely comprised of leftist Democrats who continue to field anti-Semitic candidates, it should be rephrased as "America's Disgust with the Democratic Party."

Exactly! Because nothing says Liberal Socialist quite like the Confederate flag. :lamo

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Jesus, you just can't make this stuff up. Glitch, serious question: How do you manage to have these beliefs when, as the picture shows, they're demonstrably at complete odds with reality? At some point doesn't your brain go "hang on a second...."?
 
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Exactly! Because nothing says Liberal Socialist quite like the Confederate flag.

Jesus, you just can't make this stuff up. Glitch, serious question: How do you manage to have these beliefs when, as the picture shows, they're demonstrably at complete odds with reality? At some point doesn't your brain go "hang on a second...."?

Perhaps cognitive dissonance inside an empty space is too loud to allow thinking to take place.
 
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Yes Trump is a hater and hate begets hate. When have we ever had a President that makes hate his trade mark? From the moment he went down the escalator in Trump Tower to the present it has not changed. Here are the people who live on hate....they are among his most ardent supporters. And yes we have a different vision of the future than them.

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I don't see Trump in that picture.
 
Are you trying to deny Trump's part in what happened that day?

??? Trump's part?

Was Trump there? You got a picture of him holding one of those Tiki torches?

Hey...do you deny Pelosi's part in what happened that day? After all, she didn't condemn these guys.

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I've been arguing with myself all day on whether to post this or not. Obviously "post it" won.




I think this situation is growing more and more foreboding and dangerous. Beyond that I'm seeing far more tendencies on the right to push back rather than ignoring or retreating from the perpetrator. It's scary. I don't remember a time in decades where there was so much naked aggression between the sides.
I remember the time when both sides wanted basically the same things; they just had differing opinions on how to get there. I don't believe that still exists. The right and left have dramatically different images of what America will look like in the future.

Let us see how to say this nicely, this is partisan nonsense.

Who in the US has most weapons? Conservatives/people in the country. What kind of person most likely has a weapons training (army, navy, airforce, police, armed security, etc. etc.) you guessed it conservatives.

This week a police officer suggested that miss Ocasio-Cortes "needs a round" (aka a bullet fired at her).

Besides the Antifa idiots there are very few violent liberal groups around, on the other hand right wing groups with violent tendencies are much more prevalent.

Both sides are capable of violence, that is true, but the left has been demonized by conservatives as much and some might suggest even more. Conservative is not a slight on someone (for the most part) but libs, commies, socialists are slights against liberal people.

This whole issue has to do with there no longer be common ground, the conservatives in the US might not have moved to the right, but their representatives most certainly have and that is fueling this who issue. People will vote R or D regardless of whomever is on the ballot and that is dangerous IMO.

As a Dutch person I have been following US elections since more than 25 years and since the reelection of Bush (not his fault, just a time in history that is significant due to the war on Terror etc.) the two political blocks have been moving, the left towards more socially liberal views and the right to much more anti-immigrant, anti-liberal and very much nationalist in it's tendencies. The election of Obama has pushed the 2 sides even further apart with the election of Trump being the pinnacle of this slide into extremes. And as said, both sides have moved to their own extreme, neither has tried to work itself back to the middle but to claim that the left is more dangerous is not accurate IMHO. To be honest when I think of the left I think of the *****hat movement and when I think of conservatives I think more torch carrying idiots.

Sorry, but that is how I feel, I think it is time to move back to the center.
 
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