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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    If we are talking about climate I don't know that I am right but I would trust NOAA over Jerry Fallwell Jr. As for what I am doing, I'd have to admit not much other than supporting renewable energy, reducing the use of plastics, energy efficiency.

    i believe we may have already reached the tipping point and rapid warming cannot be stopped at this point and the infighting over whether there is global warming and what caused it is keeping us from making intelligent plans about what to do about rising sea levels and our costal cities.

    If we are talking about what is being taught in public schools I don't believe Jerry Falwell Jr at all.
    OK, so you have a basic idea from perceived general media that this Global Warming will cause cities to be flooded soon.

    The IPCC says that the worst case scenario for sea level rise by 2100 is 1m. Although they did say it was 59cm (less than 2 feet) last report and there has been no change in the science.

    Which cities do you think will be unable to build a 3 foot high sea defense by 2100? Any city at all...



    The reason I am asking is that this thread is about how conservatives are holding beliefs that are not evidence based. So surely you would like to not be holding beliefs that are not evidence based. I certainly would like to be corrected if I am wrong. So I think it s a good idea to examine the case. Look at the evidence. Be Skeptical about all of it. See if it stands up to examination etc. Not use faith.

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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    For the same reason the left believes in their lies. People tend to listen to their own side and thus their views are re-enforced, ie an echo chamber. So just as many on the left repeat the same "facts" over and over again to their peers that get re-enforced. Even when presented with the real facts, people then to believe the people they trust over someone they don't know.

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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Nope, I guarantee nobody on the right believed Obama was the Messiah. That was solely the left. Nobody on the right nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize before he knew were the nearest restroom to the Oval Office was. Nobody on the right renamed streets and schools for him. Nobody on the right had chills running down their leg when he spoke. Dude you guys worshipped him like a god - he was your Anointed One.
    Well, I could be referring to the 'Obama is the messiah'. I never knew anybody that believed that.

    BUt, my statement was referring to itself.'

    "THis statement is a lie"
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    "The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist."

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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then you're persisting in everything I said willfully and knowingly, which is worse.

    And by negating any truth in the article you are essentially doing the same thing.

    Both Democrats and Republicans believe what reinforces their beliefs. If you make a list of core beliefs of Democrats and Republicans using what is posted on the topics of Debate Politics it is difficult not to notice that Republicans are posting stuff about Democrats that can simply be refuted by actual quote, events, court decisions or accurate, sourced statistics. Two topics that come to mind from recently discussed threads are abortion and public schools. Most conservatives are posting as truth completely outrageous statements, all of which can be refuted by easily found original sources

    Examples: The government is forcing public school teachers to promote atheism. Planned Parenthood was fined for selling fetal tissue. Democrats call President Obama "the Messiah". The IRS is attacking evangelical organizations. The Obama administration caused: the recession, immigration problems, the deficit, the debt, racism, high taxes and ignored the Constitution.

    If there is a comparable list for Democrats I would hope you would post it so I can understand what you are talking about.

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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    Issac Asimov. " There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.

    Asimov was right.

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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Why Are Conservatives More Susceptible to Believing Lies?
    An interplay between how all humans think and how conservatives tend to act might actually explain a lot about our current moment.
    By JOHN EHRENREICH
    NOV 09, 2017 9:00 AM

    "Many conservatives have a loose relationship with facts. The right-wing denial of what most people think of as accepted reality starts with political issues: As recently as 2016, 45 percent of Republicans still believed that the Affordable Care Act included “death panels” (it doesn’t). A 2015 poll found that 54 percent of GOP primary voters believed then-President Obama to be a Muslim (…he isn’t).

    Then there are the false beliefs about generally accepted science. Only 25 percent of self-proclaimed Trump voters agree that climate change is caused by human activities. Only 43 percent of Republicans overall believe that humans have evolved over time.

    And then it gets really crazy. Almost 1 in 6 Trump voters, while simultaneously viewing photographs of the crowds at the 2016 inauguration of Donald Trump and at the 2012 inauguration of Barack Obama , insisted that the former were larger. Sixty-six percent of self-described “very conservative” Americans seriously believe that “Muslims are covertly implementing Sharia law in American courts.” Forty-six percent of Trump voters polled just after the 2016 election either thought that Hillary Clinton was connected to a child sex trafficking ring run out of the basement of a pizzeria in Washington, D.C., or weren’t sure if it was true.

    If “truth” is judged on the basis of Enlightenment ideas of reason and more or less objective “evidence,” many of the substantive positions common on the right seem to border on delusional. The left is certainly not immune to credulity (most commonly about the safety of vaccines, GMO foods, and fracking), but the right seems to specialize in it. “Misinformation is currently predominantly a pathology of the right,” concluded a team of scholars from the Harvard Kennedy School and Northeastern University at a February 2017 conference. A BuzzFeed analysis found that three main hyperconservative Facebook pages were roughly twice as likely as three leading ultraliberal Facebook pages to publish fake or misleading information."




    Why do conservatives believe lies????? Worse yet why do they continue to post these lies after someone post irrefutable proof that they are lies? This is a common problem on discussion sites like this. So much time has to be spent refuting their lies that they make intelligent discussion impossible. Is that their goal, put an end to a topic they want to suppress ?
    The people on the right; the right-wing media - fit the psychological frame that the "conservatives" grew up with: tough father, knows everything and carries a big stick for Jesus... So when THOSE people start disinformation, it sounds reasonable to the far right so they tend to believe it all because it's anti-liberal.

    Facts don't matter to these people. What matters is their world view, that's why they make such good patsies and why Russians chose the far right to infiltrate.

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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The better question is, in light of the point you think you're making, why do you buy this article hook, line, and sinker?

    Do you, one who asks why "conservatives believe lies," think this article represents good science done well, with reliable conclusions? Do tell.
    Yes it represents good science. Most of the statements are referenced to reasonably reliable scientific studies. Freud, maybe not so much. But they backed up his statement with research from a respected scientific source.

    If you think Democrats tell lies to themselves you would do everyone a favor by posting them.

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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Issac Asimov. " There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

    Asimov was right.
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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    Why do so many conservatives, especially evangelical conservatives, believe that Jesus's Kingdom will be established on earth as soon as every elected office is held by Bible Thumping Republicans?

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    Re: Why do conservatives believe lies?

    Because conservatives are stupid.

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