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Justin Amash Leaves GOP; Trump Calls Him Loser

bearpoker said:
That would be fine, but I don't see a path for him. It would be good for the Democrats, of course. In a close election even a few votes can have a spoiler effect. I wouldn't wish the hellish backlash he'd get on anyone. The death threats would be through the roof.
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Very true, however in this election I do not believe an independent would hurt the Democrats unless Barry Sanders does not win the nomination and runs as an independent.
 
NeverTrump said:
The whiny dictator is not having a good day



Trump explodes over Republican congressman Justin Amash leaving party: ‘Total loser!’
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Justin Amash: Our politics is in a partisan death spiral. That’s why I’m leaving the GOP.

The founders envisioned Congress as a deliberative body in which outcomes are discovered. We are fast approaching the point, however, where Congress exists as little more than a formality to legitimize outcomes dictated by the president, the speaker of the House and the Senate majority leader.

With little genuine debate on policy happening in Congress, party leaders distract and divide the public by exploiting wedge issues and waging pointless messaging wars. These strategies fuel mistrust and anger, leading millions of people to take to social media to express contempt for their political opponents, with the media magnifying the most extreme voices.
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That is all DP has become lately, a giant morass of "pointless messaging wars".
It's not the fault of DebatePolitics dot com, it's the same everywhere, or damn near so.
We are now a microcosm of what Justin Amash is talking about.

The pointless messaging wars serve no useful purpose because few people are so extreme on the major issues that they find themselves wholly incapable of finding common ground...but the temptation is apparently irresistible and they succumb to base instinct instead of erudite thought.

I was asked by a fellow DP member, one whom I have a fairly large number of disagreements with, to "disengage my online alter ego" for a moment.
I heard his message very clearly but the funny thing is, I've always resisted the temptation to even adopt an "online alter ego".

I posted a thread as an experiment to see what it is like for an "online alter ego" type person to hoist the flag on what is essentially a "pointless messaging war".
I wanted to know how these people think, and I believe I've gotten a pretty good "education" because, you see, the moment I DO TRY to disengage an online alter ego, I am pulled back into the cesspool.



You won't hear my beliefs and values parroted on the mainstream media.
I'm Checkers.
I own my own thoughts, I own my own values and I own my own voice.

I'd like to see more debate, more discussion, more common ground and more earnest attempts to develop solutions for problems. I'd like to see more cooperation and less partisan hackery.
I would like to engage conservatives and I would like for them to engage me.
Fortunately, there are occasional patches of blue sky, but they're becoming fewer and farther between.

Justin Amash isn't a traitor or a loser. Justin Amash is disappointed and disillusioned, and I can't say as I blame him very much either.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Justin Amash: Our politics is in a partisan death spiral. That’s why I’m leaving the GOP.



That is all DP has become lately, a giant morass of "pointless messaging wars".
It's not the fault of DebatePolitics dot com, it's the same everywhere, or damn near so.
We are now a microcosm of what Justin Amash is talking about.

The pointless messaging wars serve no useful purpose because few people are so extreme on the major issues that they find themselves wholly incapable of finding common ground...but the temptation is apparently irresistible and they succumb to base instinct instead of erudite thought.

I was asked by a fellow DP member, one whom I have a fairly large number of disagreements with, to "disengage my online alter ego" for a moment.
I heard his message very clearly but the funny thing is, I've always resisted the temptation to even adopt an "online alter ego".

I posted a thread as an experiment to see what it is like for an "online alter ego" type person to hoist the flag on what is essentially a "pointless messaging war".
I wanted to know how these people think, and I believe I've gotten a pretty good "education" because, you see, the moment I DO TRY to disengage an online alter ego, I am pulled back into the cesspool.



You won't hear my beliefs and values parroted on the mainstream media.
I'm Checkers.
I own my own thoughts, I own my own values and I own my own voice.

I'd like to see more debate, more discussion, more common ground and more earnest attempts to develop solutions for problems. I'd like to see more cooperation and less partisan hackery.
I would like to engage conservatives and I would like for them to engage me.
Fortunately, there are occasional patches of blue sky, but they're becoming fewer and farther between.

Justin Amash isn't a traitor or a loser. Justin Amash is disappointed and disillusioned, and I can't say as I blame him very much either.
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Same with me. I have apparently very odd political beliefs and I've changed quite a lot in the past 13 years I've been following politics. No doubt I will change again, but some of these people have held their beliefs for over 30 years!!!! And learning and changing is a big no-no to them. I belong to a farther left board as well and they are all Bernie Bros, at least they are easy enough to deal w/ over the misogyny, racist, a-holes here, and I generally agree with Bernie Bros more. I used to be a Republican when I first joined and these people + Trump's election and their constant defense of him really open my eyes as to the scum the GOP is. I now see it in some of the people I used to respect personally, professionally, and from afar. I actually hate Justin Amash and what he stands for, but he didn't deserve what he got. He believes what all Trump Cult believes, except he just doesn't like Trump.
 
NeverTrump said:
Same with me. I have apparently very odd political beliefs and I've changed quite a lot in the past 13 years I've been following politics. No doubt I will change again, but some of these people have held their beliefs for over 30 years!!!! And learning and changing is a big no-no to them. I belong to a farther left board as well and they are all Bernie Bros, at least they are easy enough to deal w/ over the misogyny, racist, a-holes here, and I generally agree with Bernie Bros more. I used to be a Republican when I first joined and these people + Trump's election and their constant defense of him really open my eyes as to the scum the GOP is. I now see it in some of the people I used to respect personally, professionally, and from afar. I actually hate Justin Amash and what he stands for, but he didn't deserve what he got. He believes what all Trump Cult believes, except he just doesn't like Trump.
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He's not willing to look away from Trumps illegal and offensive behavior for the sake of political gain. That shows strong character and integrity we desperately need in our leadership.
 
hope some formerly Republican voters leave the party as well. cheeto can't afford to lose very many.
 
NeverTrump said:
He's currently anticipating war with Iran w/o congressional approval, trying to change the census w/o congressional approval and sending love letters to Kim. This he has done all within the past month.
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224,000 Jobs... If that’s all he’s done it’s massively more than Obama. But, you know he’s done more and doing more to Make America Great Again.

Doesn’t that make you happy? #metoo.
June jobs report: Economy adds 224,000 jobs, easing recession fears

As for Obama... Trump gutted his “pen and phone” legacy in 14-months. 14-months to undo Obama’s reign of error.

Trump is a doer... I’ll miss the guy when he’s done in 2024... like I missed Reagan.

As for Amash... he still has time to join the Democrat race... ROTFLOL...
 
There's only one reason Amash is leaving the Republican Party...and it has nothing to do with the rhetoric he spouts as his reason. That is all nonsense to mislead the useful idiots.

No...it's because of his family business.

Michigan Republican Congressman Justin Amash made headlines Saturday by declaring on Twitter that President Trump deserved impeachment. The media was quick to promote his position and advance an anti-Trump narrative. However, a review of Amash’s financial interests quickly reveals a very personal business motive. His family tool business is heavily invested in Chinese manufacturing.

In his 2017 financial disclosure forms (pdf here), Representative Amash reports income of between $100,000 to $1,000,000/yr. for his ownership stake in Michigan Industrial Tools. Michigan Industrial Tools is the parent company, manufacturing in China, that produces Tekton Tools, Justin Amash’s Michigan family business.

Obviously President Trump’s tariff and trade position against China is adverse to the financial interests of Justin Amash.

Read more here: Republican Justin Amash Calls for Impeachment – While Holding Personal Business Interests in China… | The Last Refuge
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Now...it's hard for Amash, as a Republican, to be against Trump for personal financial reasons while still trying to convince Republican voters that he supports Trump. His only real choice was to leave the Party and take his chances as an Independent.
 
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