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When Liberals are Losing a Debate on the Merits of Demographics Change

truthatallcost said:
Liberals love their hollow slogans, such as 'Diversity is Our Greatest Strength', but back them into a corner with hard facts about what happens to areas that go from white to brown, and they're sure to tell you that you have it coming! Of course there will be retribution, you deserve it! Mexico (mostly Caucasian Spanish generals) may have stolen this land from the natives, but you stole it from them! Etc, etc.

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Newp. I just spoke to every single liberal in the country 5 minutes ago, and not one of them said that.
 
truthatallcost said:
Explain your understanding of the motives behind diversifying the country then. I'm sure you'll paint a picture of idealistic cliches and fables now, something that sounds good to simple ears.
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Well, hell, TAAC, if you know why I'm going to say, why would I bother wasting my time?

It would be a quick dissertation anyway, given that I don't think there are "motives behind diversifying the country". It just kinda happens. People move around, and it's easier to move around today than it was a hundred years ago. Like everything thing else, there are pros and cons. :shrug: If there's an immigration strategy in place, its because governments are looking to expand their tax base.

Not sure if I've delivered on my quota of "idealistic cliches and fables", or how this sounds to "simple ears", but there it is. I don't really understand what you're so upset about - I'm mean, you've said you're not a racist in other threads, and I believe you...which is why I find all this very confusing.
 
OlNate said:
Well, hell, TAAC, if you know why I'm going to say, why would I bother wasting my time?

It would be a quick dissertation anyway, given that I don't think there are "motives behind diversifying the country". It just kinda happens. People move around, and it's easier to move around today than it was a hundred years ago. Like everything thing else, there are pros and cons. :shrug: If there's an immigration strategy in place, its because governments are looking to expand their tax base.

Not sure if I've delivered on my quota of "idealistic cliches and fables", or how this sounds to "simple ears", but there it is. I don't really understand what you're so upset about - I'm mean, you've said you're not a racist in other threads, and I believe you...which is why I find all this very confusing.
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My apologies then Nate, I was too quick to judge you. You're answer was in fact based in the reality of hard truths, rather than idealism. And I believe you touched upon a truth which far too often is overlooked- irresponsibly adding millions of new people to your country and mine is a convenient short term way to boost the economy and keep the real estate market artificially inflated. Its all about money to those who our highest elected officials take orders from.
 
truthatallcost said:
My apologies then Nate, I was too quick to judge you. You're answer was in fact based in the reality of hard truths, rather than idealism. And I believe you touched upon a truth which far too often is overlooked- irresponsibly adding millions of new people to your country and mine is a convenient short term way to boost the economy and keep the real estate market artificially inflated. Its all about money to those who our highest elected officials take orders from.
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It's ok, just don't apologize too much, we'll have to extend you an honorary Canadian citizenship, and I'm not sure we're ready for you up here... ;) :lol:

I find when you just simmer down and focus on the fact, life gets a lot more simple, and easier to keep your blood pressure down.

For example, immigration strategies that expand tax bases are incredibly important right now. The baby boomer situation necessitates it - there's just too many of them, and not enough of us, to keep looking after everyone...a problem that gets worse as more and more folks retire, and get old and expensive. :) (I say that with compassion, as, if I'm lucky, I will grow old enough to be a similar burden some day...hehe)

Immigration, if done right, helps with that - not just paying for old folks, but keeping our own work forces strong and healthy. We could argue all day long about whether that's a good thing or a bad thing....but there is no argument as to whether or not it's a necessary thing. So, if it's necessary, doesn't "getting along and making it work" align rather well with the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" mentality of the right?
 
ataraxia said:
I don’t think so. They left the Democrat party as soon as it began to support civil rights for blacks in the south.
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The Northeast region of the country was the last to embrace desegregation. And this after producing the bulk of desegregationists, who'd been on the front lines of changing the South's policies and practices regarding racial separatism, ten years before. But I know how Democratic voters from the NE love their NIMBY. You can't separate them from it.

The problem here really is a visceral racism, not anything having to do with any issues.
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Perhaps that's true of some people. However, when I ask liberals to explain contradictions in their thinking as it relates to immigration's effect on the issues (such as climate change, for example- additional millions of new residents increases the US' carbon footprint, and diminishes the health of the environment) they simply balk and return to shaming tactics. There's no great wealth of intelligence behind the open borders movement.

The support of various issues follows the racism, not the other way around. Plutocrats know this, and it is the secret of their odd but successful exploitation of that racism in continuing to consolidate their plutocracy on their supporters’ backs.
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Democratic elected officials serve the same plutocracy that Republicans do, with minor differences. The strategies employed by both R & D candidates to win support and motivate people to vote revolves around Us versus Them thinking- D's just have different boogiemen they must defeat.
'They's comin' for our wombs!' rather than 'They's comin' for our guns!'
or
'They's killin' black folk everyday!', rather than 'They's killin' white people!'
 
truthatallcost said:
But money can't buy happiness spud.

Top ten happiest countries in the world, 2019-

1. Finland
2. Denmark
3. Norway
4. Iceland
5. Netherlands
6. Switzerland
7. Sweden
8. New Zealand
9. Canada
10. Austria

Ranked: The 10 Happiest Countries In The World In 2019

You must admit, those are some pretty white countries, are they not? Sadly, the USA with all its economic might, is not even close to making the top ten happiest countries. It feels strange though lately, to hear liberals expound on the virtues of money alone, like some 1980s Reaganite member of the Grand Old Party. Money without happiness = failure.
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Oh, you're saying a country being white is ideal, not ethnically homogeneous. Right. So what's the right level of "whiteness" for a nation, is it Finland's >95%, or New Zealand's ~75%?

Why do you think that nations "whiter" than New Zealand and Canada, like Germany or Portugal, aren't on the list?
 
truthatallcost said:
Explain your understanding of the motives behind diversifying the country then. I'm sure you'll paint a picture of idealistic cliches and fables now, something that sounds good to simple ears.
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I'll explain it as soon as you explain the motives behind rain
 
sangha said:
Just about everything for me

What the heck is so great about England? The food?

The weather?

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Lol, on those factors alone, I'd say you have a convincing argument. But what about how you would be treated? My guess is that no one in England would target you for mugging or kidnapping simply based upon your appearance. I have Mexican friends who've had relatives kidnapped traveling in Mexico, and they were born there.
 
sangha said:
I'll explain it as soon as you explain the motives behind rain
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No, they're not both inevitable. China isn't going to inevitably allow people of different cultures to replace them, but for some reason people think we're responsible to. Immigration may be similar to rain in one aspect however- receive too much, and you'll be oversaturated with it, and there will be severe ramifications.
 
spud_meister said:
Oh, you're saying a country being white is ideal, not ethnically homogeneous. Right. So what's the right level of "whiteness" for a nation, is it Finland's >95%, or New Zealand's ~75%?
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Nope, not saying that. Russia is very white, and not ideal. Moldova is pretty white, and the opposite of ideal. Some cultures breed success and happiness, some don't. Russia doesn't. The Congo doesn't. Finland does. It's not solely a racial thing here spud.

Why do you think that nations "whiter" than New Zealand and Canada, like Germany or Portugal, aren't on the list?
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No idea. Given their greater reliance upon socialism and its ideals, they should be the land of 1000 smiles.
 
truthatallcost said:
Lol, on those factors alone, I'd say you have a convincing argument. But what about how you would be treated? My guess is that no one in England would target you for mugging or kidnapping simply based upon your appearance. I have Mexican friends who've had relatives kidnapped traveling in Mexico, and they were born there.
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I have never had any problems with Mexicans. And I'm not a ***** so I'm not afraid of violent criminals
 
truthatallcost said:
No, they're not both inevitable. China isn't going to inevitably allow people of different cultures to replace them, but for some reason people think we're responsible to. Immigration may be similar to rain in one aspect however- receive too much, and you'll be oversaturated with it, and there will be severe ramifications.
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I see my point went over your head but that's at least as much my fault as it is yours

I agree OlNate. There is no motive to diversity. We have allowed people to immigrate here because immigration is good for the country
 
truthatallcost said:
Nope, not saying that. Russia is very white, and not ideal. Moldova is pretty white, and the opposite of ideal. Some cultures breed success and happiness, some don't. Russia doesn't. The Congo doesn't. Finland does. It's not solely a racial thing here spud.



No idea. Given their greater reliance upon socialism and its ideals, they should be the land of 1000 smiles.
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Surely if it's cultural and not racial, then Germany and Austria should be very close in terms of happiness, despite Austria having a less homogeneous population? What do you think the linking factor is behind rich nations with small populations having a variable level of racial/cultural homogeneity being happier than larger/poorer nations?
 
sangha said:
I have never had any problems with Mexicans. And I'm not a ***** so I'm not afraid of violent criminals
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Lol, in the Lower Hudson Valley there's absolutely no need to be. Bill Gates bought a home for his daughter there, and its literally a retirement community for celebrities and the rich. Wtf are thinking here dude?
 
ElChupacabra said:
Keep your fire extinguisher ready for the inevitable dumpster fire....

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No you just need a white sheet with eye holes and you and the OP will get along just fine....or not, they are selective.....
 
truthatallcost said:
Lol, in the Lower Hudson Valley there's absolutely no need to be. Bill Gates bought a home for his daughter there, and its literally a retirement community for celebrities and the rich. Wtf are thinking here dude?
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The point is you are afraid, of lots of things. Grow a pair.
 
truthatallcost said:
Lol, in the Lower Hudson Valley there's absolutely no need to be. Bill Gates bought a home for his daughter there, and its literally a retirement community for celebrities and the rich. Wtf are thinking here dude?
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Actually, I grew up in Brooklyn. I lived right down the block from the projects. Spent about a decade working in some of the most crime ridden neighborhoods in the country during the height of the crack epidemic.

I am the one who knocks
 
spud_meister said:
Surely if it's cultural and not racial, then Germany and Austria should be very close in terms of happiness, despite Austria having a less homogeneous population?
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Well, Germany was 17th overall. Maybe higher tax rates in Germany? Less crowded? Perhaps they're pessimistic about the future, as Merkel's party has failed, the long prominent social democratic party is a fart in the wind, and the future looks fairly uncertain. Perhaps a combination of factors.

What do you think the linking factor is behind rich nations with small populations having a variable level of racial/cultural homogeneity being happier than larger/poorer nations?
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Do you really not see the cultural/racial/ethnic similarities behind the countries that excel in happiness?
 
truthatallcost said:
Liberals love their hollow slogans, such as 'Diversity is Our Greatest Strength', but back them into a corner with hard facts about what happens to areas that go from white to brown, and they're sure to tell you that you have it coming! Of course there will be retribution, you deserve it! Mexico (mostly Caucasian Spanish generals) may have stolen this land from the natives, but you stole it from them! Etc, etc.

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Shouldn't your Sig include a burning cross?
 
sangha said:
Actually, I grew up in Brooklyn. I lived right down the block from the projects. Spent about a decade working in some of the most crime ridden neighborhoods in the country during the height of the crack epidemic.

I am the one who knocks
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Ok, so that was probably several decades ago that you lived in Brooklyn. Now you live in one of the richest, most segregated parts of the country, and quote tv shows about tv tough guys (had to google it, didn't catch the reference). You're right, the cartels are lightweights. You're ready to live Mexico.
 
truthatallcost said:
Ok, so that was probably several decades ago that you lived in Brooklyn. Now you live in one of the richest, most segregated parts of the country, and quote tv shows about tv tough guys (had to google it, didn't catch the reference). You're right, the cartels are lightweights. You're ready to live Mexico.
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Actually, I moved up here a little over a decade ago. That's ONE decade, not several

And where I live the population is very diverse with significant numbers of black and hispanic people

And as far as the cartels go, where I spent the first several decades of my life, the Mafia had a strong presence.

Why would I worry about the cartels? Do you think that they're interested in me?
 
truthatallcost said:
Well, Germany was 17th overall. Maybe higher tax rates in Germany? Less crowded? Perhaps they're pessimistic about the future, as Merkel's party has failed, the long prominent social democratic party is a fart in the wind, and the future looks fairly uncertain. Perhaps a combination of factors.
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It probably is a combination of factors.

Do you really not see the cultural/racial/ethnic similarities behind the countries that excel in happiness?
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I don't see it as being a stronger influence than being wealthy nations with small populations. New Zealand has a culturally plural society, with Maori culture existing in the mainstream alongside European culture, as well as a relatively large immigrant population made up of Pacific Islanders. Canada has a large immigrant population. Austria has a large immigrant population. You could use that list to make am argument about the superiority of the Nordic model and Scandinavian culture, but the non-Nordic nations on the list don't hold up the demographics argument, and there's a significant difference between UK colonial culture (NZ, Canada) and Scandinavian culture, despite both being "white".
 
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