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The Liberal Legacy In a Nutshell:*

James972 said:
why so afraid to present even one example of where you have shown conservatism to be wrong?? What do you learn from your fear?
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You are trolling jimmy. Time and time again I and others have provided evidence showing that your claims are filled with historical ignorance and/or deliberate denial of the facts. Have fun.

No, I am not taking the time to provide you with evidence as we all know that reality doesn't exist for you when facts contradict what you write here.
 
James972 said:
1) Attack and destroy love and family such that 76% of black kids are born into broken or never formed homes, with the rest of America following shortly behind*
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I think #1 is the most damaging. To a lesser extent the leftist mentality has also increased the broken home rate of whites. Not only are children regarded at trash in a divorce, but the family's economic power is eviscerated.

Breaking a home and savaging one's economic outcome merely to date a new person is de rigueur these days.
 
Somerville said:
facts contradict what you write here.
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if so why is the liberal so afraid to provide even one such fact. what does the liberal learn from his fear? See why we say that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
 
Rickeroo said:
I think #1 is the most damaging. To a lesser extent the leftist mentality has also increased the broken home rate of whites. Not only are children regarded at trash in a divorce, but the family's economic power is eviscerated.

Breaking a home and savaging one's economic outcome merely to date a new person is de rigueur these days.
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Good points, liberalism is loveless and deadly but it has succeeded to the point where liberals pay no price for what they have done to love and family in America!

From Walter E Williams: "History is not going to be kind to liberals. With their mindless programs, they've managed to do to Black Americans what slavery, Reconstruction, and rank racism found impossible: destroy their family and work ethic."
 
James972 said:
Good points, liberalism is loveless and deadly but it has succeeded to the point where liberals pay no price for what they have done to love and family in America!

From Walter E Williams: "History is not going to be kind to liberals. With their mindless programs, they've managed to do to Black Americans what slavery, Reconstruction, and rank racism found impossible: destroy their family and work ethic."
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I tend to think that what's best for families and children is the worst for democrats: Married couple, sound financial decisions, children not in daycare. Democrats love divorce and dependent "daycare" children.
 
Rickeroo said:
I tend to think that what's best for families and children is the worst for democrats: Married couple, sound financial decisions, children not in daycare. Democrats love divorce and dependent "daycare" children.
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yes for sure!! the broken up black ghetto family is dependent on liberal govt while an intact family is more or less self sufficient and not beholden to the federal govt.


As Engels envisioned, “the single family ceases to be the economic unit of society. Private housekeeping is transformed into a social industry. The care and education of the children becomes a public affair; society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not.”
 
James972 said:
yes for sure!! the broken up black ghetto family is dependent on liberal govt while an intact family is more or less self sufficient and not beholden to the federal govt.


As Engels envisioned, “the single family ceases to be the economic unit of society. Private housekeeping is transformed into a social industry. The care and education of the children becomes a public affair; society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not.”
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/// the broken up black ghetto family is dependent on liberal govt ////// <-----link to support this positive claim ? ( not holding breath )
 
Logician Man said:
/// the broken up black ghetto family is dependent on liberal govt ////// <-----link to support this positive claim ? ( not holding breath )
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The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals' expansion of the welfare state.
Thomas Sowell Ph.D
 
James972 said:
The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals' expansion of the welfare state.
Thomas Sowell Ph.D
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That's not a link. Please try again James...thanks...
 
Logician Man said:
That's not a link. Please try again James...thanks...
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Just ask Amy Wax and Lawrence Alexan*der, law pro*fes*sors at the Uni*ver*sity of Penn*syl*va*nia and Uni*ver*sity of San Diego, re*spec*tively, who were taken to task for co-au*thor*ing an op-ed this month in the Phil*adelphia In*quirer that lamented the break*down of “bour*geois” cul*tural val*ues that pre*vailed in mid-20th-cen*tury Amer*ica. “That cul*ture laid out the script we all were sup*posed to fol*low,” they wrote. “Get mar*ried be*fore you have chil*dren and strive to stay mar*ried for their sake. Get the ed*u*ca*tion you need for gain*ful em*ploy*ment, work hard, and avoid idle*ness. . . . Be re*spect*ful of au*thor*ity. Es*chew sub*stance abuse and crime.”

iPhoneIn the post-’60s era, these pos*i*tive trends would slow, stall, or in some cases even re*verse course. The homi*cide rate for black men fell by 18% in the 1940s and by an*other 22% in the 1950s. But in the 1960s all of those gains would van*ish as the homi*cide rate for black males rose by nearly 90%. Are to*day’s black vi*o*lent-crime rates a legacy of slav*ery and Jim Crow or of some*thing else? Un*for*tu*nately, that’s a ques*tion few peo*ple on the left will even en*ter*tain.
 
James972 said:
Just ask Amy Wax and Lawrence Alexan*der, law pro*fes*sors at the Uni*ver*sity of Penn*syl*va*nia and Uni*ver*sity of San Diego, re*spec*tively, who were taken to task for co-au*thor*ing an op-ed this month in the Phil*adelphia In*quirer that lamented the break*down of “bour*geois” cul*tural val*ues that pre*vailed in mid-20th-cen*tury Amer*ica. “That cul*ture laid out the script we all were sup*posed to fol*low,” they wrote. “Get mar*ried be*fore you have chil*dren and strive to stay mar*ried for their sake. Get the ed*u*ca*tion you need for gain*ful em*ploy*ment, work hard, and avoid idle*ness. . . . Be re*spect*ful of au*thor*ity. Es*chew sub*stance abuse and crime.”

iPhoneIn the post-’60s era, these pos*i*tive trends would slow, stall, or in some cases even re*verse course. The homi*cide rate for black men fell by 18% in the 1940s and by an*other 22% in the 1950s. But in the 1960s all of those gains would van*ish as the homi*cide rate for black males rose by nearly 90%. Are to*day’s black vi*o*lent-crime rates a legacy of slav*ery and Jim Crow or of some*thing else? Un*for*tu*nately, that’s a ques*tion few peo*ple on the left will even en*ter*tain.
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No links , Jimmy....sorry, your claim is dismissed.
 
Logician Man said:
No links , Jimmy....sorry, your claim is dismissed.
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If we are to go by evidence of social retrogression, liberals have wreaked more havoc on blacks than the supposed “legacy of slavery” they talk about. Liberals should heed the title of Jason Riley’s insightful new book, "Please Stop Helping Us."
 
James972 said:
If we are to go by evidence of social retrogression, liberals have wreaked more havoc on blacks than the supposed “legacy of slavery” they talk about. Liberals should heed the title of Jason Riley’s insightful new book, "Please Stop Helping Us."
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That's what we call a 'deflection', Jimmy....and it doesn't help your 'lost' argument....sorry...
 
Logician Man said:
That's what we call a 'deflection', Jimmy....and it doesn't help your 'lost' argument....sorry...
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From Walter E Williams: "History is not going to be kind to liberals. With their mindless programs, they've managed to do to Black Americans what slavery, Reconstruction, and rank racism found impossible: destroy their family and work ethic."
 
James972 said:
From Walter E Williams: "History is not going to be kind to liberals. With their mindless programs, they've managed to do to Black Americans what slavery, Reconstruction, and rank racism found impossible: destroy their family and work ethic."
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Just another 'opinion' someone stated, Jimmy...nothing definitive to support your silly claims but hand picked, biased sources....sorry, but your argument still fails and is summarily dismissed.....but you can always keep trying...
 
Logician Man said:
Just another 'opinion' someone stated, Jimmy...nothing definitive to support your silly claims but hand picked, biased sources....sorry, but your argument still fails and is summarily dismissed.....but you can always keep trying...
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Liberal policies have left black Americans worse off than they were under slavery and Jim Crow-era policies, argued a black conservative commentator.
Mychal Massie, who is best known for his viral 2012 screed against the Obamas, argues that out-of-wedlock births, single-parent homes, abortion rates, and incarceration rates for black Americans have all risen sharply since affirmative action laws and the 1964 Civil Rights Act were enacted by “bigoted neo-Leninist liberals.”
 
James972 said:
Liberal policies have left black Americans worse off than they were under slavery and Jim Crow-era policies, argued a black conservative commentator.
Mychal Massie, who is best known for his viral 2012 screed against the Obamas, argues that out-of-wedlock births, single-parent homes, abortion rates, and incarceration rates for black Americans have all risen sharply since affirmative action laws and the 1964 Civil Rights Act were enacted by “bigoted neo-Leninist liberals.”
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link?
 
Logician Man said:
link?
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Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "In too many cases, if our Government had set out determined to destroy the family, it couldn't have done greater damage than some of what we see today. Too often these programs, well-intentioned, welfare programs for example, which were meant to provide for temporary support, have undermined responsibility. They've robbed people of control of their lives, destroyed their dignity, in some cases -- and we've tried hard to change this -- encouraged people, man and wife, to live apart because they might just get a little bit more to put in their pockets."
 
James972 said:
Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "In too many cases, if our Government had set out determined to destroy the family, it couldn't have done greater damage than some of what we see today. Too often these programs, well-intentioned, welfare programs for example, which were meant to provide for temporary support, have undermined responsibility. They've robbed people of control of their lives, destroyed their dignity, in some cases -- and we've tried hard to change this -- encouraged people, man and wife, to live apart because they might just get a little bit more to put in their pockets."
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link ?
 
James972 said:
1) Attack and destroy love and family such that 76% of black kids are born into broken or never formed homes, with the rest of America following shortly behind*


2) Ship middle and lower class jobs to China with liberal taxes, unions, regulations, deficits, and trade deals and then invite 60 million illegals to take remaining jobs and bid down wages.Not sure if 1 or 2 above is the liberals' primary legacy. What do you think?
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According to Dr. Thomas Sowell and Dr. Walter Williams the welfare state and other Leftist policies have done more to destroy the Black Community than had Jim Crow, Segregation and in some ways even slavery.

You should read their books and listen to their lectures on youtube.
 
Casca XV said:
you look like an idiot asking for a link when they name the source. goggle it yourself
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You look like an idiot when you tell other posters to 'goggle' a source. :lol:
 
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