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The Liberal Legacy In a Nutshell:*

James972 said:
for 3rd time: by what logic would you say conservatives attacked and destroyed the black family?
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Why bother ?...You clearly. haven't a clue what the term means
 
James972 said:
why strange? Dems have them addicted to welfare, even after Dems have attacked and destroyed love and family in the black community.
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Love and family seem to be doing fine among my black friends. And just how do you assume that liberals destroyed love and family?
 
James972 said:
not really FDR's programs were really Hoover's programs. They prolonged the depression for 16 years into a world war that killed 60 million. Things got better only when FDR finally died.
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Social Security, WPA, CCC, the Wagner Act, etc., all these things were in place when FDR came to office? Hoover's programs prolonged the depression? I think HH got w bad rap in part, but FDR inspired a nation, gave it hope. He spent money on programs that made things better. He stopped spending somewhat in 1938 and things got worse, til the great jobs program that started after December 7, 1941.
 
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James972 said:
literacy101:


Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "In too many cases, if our Government had set out determined to destroy the family, it couldn't have done greater damage than some of what we see today. Too often these programs, well-intentioned, welfare programs for example, which were meant to provide for temporary support, have undermined responsibility. They've robbed people of control of their lives, destroyed their dignity, in some cases -- and we've tried hard to change this -- encouraged people, man and wife, to live apart because they might just get a little bit more to put in their pockets."
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There is a point there. Better to strengthen unions, do other things to allow wages to rise Welfare can anesthetize poor people at times. And the AFDC model that seemed to require single moms was flawed. But remember that the same conservative forces that oppose welfare also institute things like right-to-work laws, and oppose any rule that would raise wages. I used to work for the farm workers union under Cesar Chavez. His mantra was that the poor didn't need handouts, just allow them to organize. But conservative forces often perform a full court press: right to work, no protections for those who organize so people can use the market to improve things for themselves, and of course don't come running to the government to help, to raise the minimum wage, provide unemployment insurance, etc. Make up your minds, conservatives. It's like the debate on illegals. Wanna stop them coming? Pay a bit more for produce, hotel rooms, and entre's at restaurants so citizens and legal residents will take jobs picking fruit, cleaning rooms and washing dishes.
 
James972 said:
Because Republicans were threatening a BBA if Dems didn't behave somewhat responsibly. Obviously we could have a BBA tomorrow if Dims supported it too. 1+1=2
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Balanced budget amendment is like outlawing abortion. It's the conservative dog chasing the car and hoping it keeps moving so it doesn't catch it, because it doesn't know what it will do if it does.
 
Nickyjo said:
Balanced budget amendment is like outlawing abortion. It's the conservative dog chasing the car and hoping it keeps moving so it doesn't catch it, because it doesn't know what it will do if it does.
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BBA is what every state, house, business in America has. Liberals hate them because to exist they have to buy votes with promises of more welfare. A BBA makes liberals in effect illegal. Liberalism is treasonous!!


“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents — number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child.

That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.
 
James972 said:
BBA is what every state, house, business in America has. Liberals hate them because to exist they have to buy votes with promises of more welfare. A BBA makes liberals in effect illegal. Liberalism is treasonous!!

++ Who can argue with such 1950s logic, Sen. McCarthy? Hate to break it to you, but conservatives aren't going to support a BBA either, if it ever comes to that. The left taxes and spends. The right spends but doesn't tax.

++ And stop with the welfare baloney. We are probably the stingiest wealthy country in that category. What are welfare payments in your area. In my area it is a whopping $336 per month. In half the states that provide it, it's below 1/4 of the poverty line.


“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents — number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child.

That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.
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++ Taking care of the poor is indeed patriotic. Given that we spend more than the next several countries combined on the military, look to that for savings.
 
James972 said:
1) Attack and destroy love and family such that 76% of black kids are born into broken or never formed homes, with the rest of America following shortly behind*


2) Ship middle and lower class jobs to China with liberal taxes, unions, regulations, deficits, and trade deals and then invite 60 million illegals to take remaining jobs and bid down wages.Not sure if 1 or 2 above is the liberals' primary legacy. What do you think?
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At a risk of feeding the troll...

The first assertion is just silly. Whatever the black out-of-wedlock rate, it has no connection to destroying love and family. In Sweden, the rate is 54% and families are cohesive. I have European friends who aren't married and have children. They are far more devoted to their children than D. Trump, who has children from three different women, and shows no indication he had anything to do with their upbringing.

On the second one, it's even more false. Unions raise wages in this country. The decline of unions is a direct relationship to lower worker wages. Trade is a good thing -- we buy foreign products and they buy ours. The unemployment rate is 3.9%. Imagine how low it would be if immigrants weren't taking all of our high-paid jobs.

Regarding exporting jobs, you are targeting the wrong political party. Example: Senate GOP kills measure to curb job 'outsourcing'
WASHINGTON – Senate Republicans on Thursday killed a measure backed by President Barack Obama that would encourage companies to bring overseas jobs back to the United States.
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MTAtech said:
At a risk of feeding the troll...
The first assertion is just silly. Whatever the black out-of-wedlock rate, it has no connection to destroying love and family.]
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So you think a father who never sees his kids is evidence of love and family? Love and family increases when the father leaves the mother, kids, and family or was never part of their lives? Notice the way a conservative is made to feel like a kindergarten teacher? So in wed lock does not mean love and family but out of wed lock does! OMG!!!
 
MTAtech said:
Unions raise wages in this country.
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how can that be if they make our products uncompetitive and drive entire industries off shore?? Being unemployed raises ones wages? Unions destroyed our auto industry for example and millions of jobs. Now foreign companies locate here, but in non-unions states. Hard to image you don't know that??
 
MTAtech said:
Regarding exporting jobs, you are targeting the wrong political party.
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liberal taxes unions regulations deficits and trade deals drove an estimated 20 million jobs off shore. Trump was elected by those who lost their jobs to correct the liberal policies. 1+1=2
 
Nickyjo said:
++ Taking care of the poor is indeed patriotic.
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Do you mean taking care of them with capitalism or crippling them with welfare? Has the liberal ever heard of China? The instant it switched to capitalism it eliminated 40% of he entire planets poverty after libsocialism had starved 60 million to death? Did you ever think you'd be supporting very deadly policies without knowing it?
 
Nickyjo said:
There is a point there. Better to strengthen unions,
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The economics of unions can be understood by some liberals:

1) They raise prices so those not in unions get poorer because of the high priced union junk they must buy. No net benefit is possible to workers.

2) Unions drove perhaps 30 million jobs off shore with their high wages. No net benefit to workers is possible.

3) Unions encourage people to get ahead through violence rather than by being worth more in the market place.

4) Politicians encourage unions as a source of money and votes, but politicians, unions, and non-union workers who support unions don't have the IQ to know that no net benefit to workers or consumers is possible through unions thanks to the higher prices.

5) also if Americans had to pay for high priced liberal union made junk, for example, they could afford to buy less stuff and so factories would close creating unemployment here!! Econ 101. the poorer unions make us the less we buy and the more unemployment we have.
 
James972 said:
liberal taxes unions regulations deficits and trade deals drove an estimated 20 million jobs off shore. Trump was elected by those who lost their jobs to correct the liberal policies. 1+1=2
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Unemployment is 3.8%. Imagine how low unemployment would be without all those liberal policies?
 
James972 said:
Do you mean taking care of them with capitalism or crippling them with welfare?

++ Both. Capitalism doesn’t work perfectly, so welfare makes up the difference.

Has the liberal ever heard of China? The instant it switched to capitalism it eliminated 40% of he entire planets poverty after libsocialism had starved 60 million to death? Did you ever think you'd be supporting very deadly policies without knowing it?
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++ Ever heard of the New Deal? We switched towards socialism and things got much better here as well. Same thing in Europe.
 
James972 said:
not really FDR's programs were really Hoover's programs. They prolonged the depression for 16 years into a world war that killed 60 million. Things got better only when FDR finally died.
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Regrettably, you don’t know what you are talking about. GDP dropped 50% and unemployment doubled by the time FDR took office. His actions stabilized the economy and reversed the negative trend.

You have chosen to believe the revisionist works of cranks. If there was a shred of truth FDR wouldn’t have been elected four times.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes by ending segregation right? Blacks need to know their place.
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how does ending segregation attack and destroy the black family?? Please read what you write before posting.
 
MTAtech said:
His actions stabilized the economy and reversed the negative trend.
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His actions were the New Deal or Great Depression!! FDR was depression and world war. 10 times worse than any other president. Do liberals give points for presiding over a depression?????

Rexford Tugwell: (FDR brain Trust)
"We didn't admit it at the time but practically the Whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs Hoover started!"
 
MTAtech said:
If there was a shred of truth FDR wouldn’t have been elected four times.
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Shred?? You mean FDR's administration was not 100% within the 16 year Great Depression??


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Here's what Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury (the man who desperately needed the New Deal to succeed as much as Roosevelt) said about the New Deal stimulus: "We have tried spending money.We are spending more than we ever have spent before and it does not work... We have never made good on our promises...I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started... And an enormous debt to boot!"
 
James972 said:
Shred?? You mean FDR's administration was not 100% within the 16 year Great Depression??


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Here's what Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury (the man who desperately needed the New Deal to succeed as much as Roosevelt) said about the New Deal stimulus: "We have tried spending money.We are spending more than we ever have spent before and it does not work... We have never made good on our promises...I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started... And an enormous debt to boot!"
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Henry Morgenthau was a Republican who convince FDR to halt the New Deal in 1938. What do you think resulted? Oh, we had a recession. Henry Morgenthau was no friend of the New Deal.
 
James972 said:
Shred?? You mean FDR's administration was not 100% within the 16 year Great Depression??


1+1=2:
Here's what Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury (the man who desperately needed the New Deal to succeed as much as Roosevelt) said about the New Deal stimulus: "We have tried spending money.We are spending more than we ever have spent before and it does not work... We have never made good on our promises...I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started... And an enormous debt to boot!"
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The policies of FDR created the Great Middle Class that made us the envy of the world. The policies of the GOP have sought to destroy what FDR created and it is working. We have the same income disparity today that we had before the Great Depression.

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iguanaman said:
The policies of FDR created the Great Middle Class that made us the envy of the world.
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how can the greatest depression in history create a middle class? Should we have another Great Depression to recreate the middle class??? Pure insanity!!
 
iguanaman said:
The policies of FDR created the Great Middle Class that made us the envy of the world. The policies of the GOP have sought to destroy what FDR created and it is working. We have the same income disparity today that we had before the Great Depression.

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We have income disparity because jobs and the people that fill them have knowledge and experience diversity.
 
iguanaman said:
We have the same income disparity today that we had before the Great Depression.
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yes liberals have shipped low and middle class jobs off shore with their taxes unions regulations trade deals and deficits. Trump was elected by working classto fix what liberals have done to them.
 
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